#dev 2017-06-10

2017-06-10 UTC
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[kevinmarks] Play button is more iconic
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tantek cool
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tantek and now I want an icon for the Etherpad links
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tantek ? or ?(too small to be usefully recognizable as anything) or ? or ??
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eli_oat ✍️ ??
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tantek that seems more action-centric, whereas the etherpads are now artifacts
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gRegorLove tantek: Not a video that I can find, just video of State of the IndieWeb and Cutting Edge IndieWeb. There were attendee intros and demos after those two, though.
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gRegorLove leaves it as-is for now
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tantek we didn't record / save attendee intros?
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tantek hmm
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tantek ok etherpad icon suggestion: ? for when the etherpads are *active* and have not yet been archived, then change them to ? after they've been archived
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gRegorLove I usually remove the link from the Schedule page once they're archived on a session page; the session page links to the etherpad at that point
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gRegorLove *remove the etherpad link
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gRegorLove https://indieweb.org/2016/Schedule#Saturday_2016-06-04 for example
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tantek is watching the Groups / Onboarding video to figure out where to put the split
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tantek *when
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tantek.com edited /2017/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+462) "/* Saturday May 13, 2017 */ emoji video links, and emojis for various states of etherpads to see if that's useful or not" (view diff)
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aaronpk Were starting to get a good collection of videos now
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tantek aaronpk, gRegorLove curious what you think of the addition of the "play" icons here inline do they make sense? do the AA:BB numbers make sense? https://indieweb.org/2017/D%C3%BCsseldorf/Schedule
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tantek (what I'm learning as someone who was not at an IWC, nor able to watch/participate remotely, is after the fact, I wanted something like this to watch and catch-up)
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tantek (instead of having to click through to every session page, or have to dig through YouTube's random ordering of "related" videos)
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tantek aaronpk, is there a way to set on a video on youtube which youtube video to auto-play next?
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tantek so that someone playing the IWC DUS intros video would auto-play the next sessions in time order?
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tantek (like Netflix binge-watching but for IWC sessions :) )
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tantek anyway that was my video UI / link experiment that I wanted to try - curious if that's helpful / noisy / any feedback etc.
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tantek.com edited /2017/Düsseldorf/Introductions (+198) "another session planning photo, use play emoji for video" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2017/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+226) "/* Saturday May 13, 2017 */ add afterwards "session" to day 1" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2017/Düsseldorf/offline (+225) "photo from session, use emoji + time to link to video" (view diff)
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tantek I'll wait to hear feedback before expanding to any other Schedule pages (e.g. Nürnberg)
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tantek or gRegorLove if you think the approach on https://indieweb.org/2017/D%C3%BCsseldorf/Schedule looks good to you, feel free to add similar ▶️ links for day 2 and/or https://indieweb.org/2017/Nuremberg/Schedule
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tantek hah just noticed the ? links
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tantek Well then to all: compare https://indieweb.org/2017/D%C3%BCsseldorf/Schedule video links and https://indieweb.org/2017/Nuremberg/Schedule and if one or the other looks better to you, say so!
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gRegorLove I like the play icon. I think it looks better when the archived etherpads are removed, though
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gRegorLove Once they're archived their contents are just comment blocks linking back to the wiki session pages, so there's not much information there.
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gRegorLove I'd forgotten to do that for the German IWCs
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tantek.com edited /2017/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+62) "demos video link" (view diff)
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gRegorLove heading out for now
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tantek thanks gRegorLove. feel free to remove the Etherpad links from the Schedule grid as you see fit!
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tantek.com edited /2017 (+142) "/* Remote Participation */ call to action for remote participation expressing interest" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Tung (+101) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by [miklb]" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Tung (+57) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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eli.li edited /2017/Guest_List (+185) "/* Remote Participants */" (view diff)
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eli.li edited /2017/Guest_List (+0) "/* Remote Participants */" (view diff)
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eli.li edited /2017/Guest_List (+49) "/* Remote Participants */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /cloud (+329) "appropriate page image" (view diff)
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tantek ^^^ just sprinkling a little humor
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tantek This is what happens when I check https://twitter.com/hashtag/dwebsummit before posting about it
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tantek what is dwebsummit
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "dwebsummit" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek dwebsummit is /events/2016-06-08-decentralized-web-summit
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loqi.me created /dwebsummit (+55) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek maybe I should just reply to https://twitter.com/internetarchive/status/741832908323708929
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@internetarchive Okay who's hosting the next #DwebSummit? There's so much more to talk about... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkuFGItUYAACxBz.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/741832908323708929)
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[eddie] iOS 11 has a lot of great Apple Music APIs, I might have to create a Apple Music player that has Micropub Scrobbling this fall ?
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[miklb] eddie oh. I would love to skip the middle man of last.fm.
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[miklb] could also be a way to only have 1 post for the day and use update…
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[miklb] though I think each track should be its own. hmm
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[miklb] is thinking through his plugin
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[eddie] Yeah, that's tough it would create a lot of posts but it does kind of seem like they should be their own posts
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[eddie] miklb: how do you generally listen to music?
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[miklb] eddie iTunes/Apple Music
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[miklb] Now I’m thinking about instead of scrobbling every song as a post, setting a up an Alfred Workflow to use micropub to post current playing song.
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+0) "next HWC" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2017/Nuremberg/Schedule (+135) "Introductions with video link" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /2017/Nuremberg/Introductions (+396) "stub based on Düsseldorf, and link to youtube of intro" (view diff)
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@voxpelli @MikeRiethmuller I’m building on https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-micropub-to-github to enable me to use any Micropub, https://micropub.net/,… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/873434248958660608 (twitter.com/_/status/873434248958660608)
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tantek.com edited /2017/Nuremberg/Schedule (+9) "typo link, start time for Introduction sessions, skip ~14min of intro getting setup" (view diff)
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Zegnat !tell tantek gRegorLove Nürnberg uses ? to link to videos because /? is a link to /video. Made sense to me to keep the iconography the same. I did those links, and the rest of the schedule page during IWC lunch as I was remote.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat !tell gRegorLove Nürnberg uses ? to link to videos because /? is a link to /video. Made sense to me to keep the iconography the same. I did those links, and the rest of the schedule page during IWC lunch as I was remote.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat (Making sure not only tantek gets the message, I think I should have used a comma?)
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[kevinmarks] You can save and link to playlists on YouTube
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Zegnat There are playlists, [kevinmarks]: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCco4TTt7ikz9xnB35HrD5gQ/playlists?sort=dd&view=1&shelf_id=0
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[kevinmarks] That was in reply to tantek asking if you can set the play next video on YouTube, as I was scrolled up
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[eddie] miklb: by "current song" you mean not keeping a history? Just the "current" and maybe the "last played" song?
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[eddie] !tell manton you note permalinks have the date/time link within the h-entry content. I'm on mobile right now so I can't look at your source code for suggestions but the mf2 if definitely a little off
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat [eddie], what’s off about the h-entry? A micro.blog bug?
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[eddie] I haven't been able to fully analyze it but here's pin13: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.manton.org%2F2017%2F06%2F5272.html
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[eddie] The permalink (which the links text is the date time) show up inside of the h-entry content
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[eddie] Which, if I wanted to use the mf2 content as a note for a reply or like, would put the date-time at the end even if just using the content.value
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[eddie] Does anyone else have a micro.blog hosted blog?
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Zegnat [eddie], sorry, I had to step away. Yes, there are some more micro.blog users, see: https://indieweb.org/micro.blog#Indieweb_Examples
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Zegnat manton’s website is WordPress, I think, not micro.blog. His WP theme seems to lack mf2 overall.
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[miklb] eddie no, I was just thinking about a quick action to send a track if it's something I particularly like as a post
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[eddie] Zegnat: Yeah, I was actually just looking at the code of his website and realized that it doesn’t really have mf2. It has a “hentry” class which is tricking my parser
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Zegnat Yes, that’s mf1, which is still in a lot of WP themes I believe
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[eddie] Zegnat: ohh, that makes sense
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Zegnat But themes often missed out on other properties, and this seems to be such a case.
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[eddie] miklb: Ohhh I gotcha! Manually sharing when the song is of interest enough
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[eddie] rather than sharing a dozen songs a day automatically ?
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Zegnat Many (most?) mf2 parsers will do backwards-compat and also grab mf1, which is why pin13 is reporting on the entry
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GWG [miklb]: I'm looking at your photo template.
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@WendyandCharles ReadersGazette: BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.thejugglingauthor.com/indieauth/ Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 64 (twitter.com/_/status/873568782442213376)
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[eddie] The share sheet will always be there (it requires a UI and each app can only have one) for replies and actions that require text input. However is it worth it to add extra “Action” extensions for things like “Like” and “Repost” or is there not that big of a benefit?
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[eddie] miklb cleverdevil aaronpk: I’m about to post 2 gifs, the first one is what liking a random URL looks like via a Share Extension (Takes a bit long), the second one is an Action extension (technically I’m copying a Tweet’s text, but the taps are the same if it were a “like” action).
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[eddie] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F5R53UBNC/examplelikeviashare.gif?pub_secret=39b3fcc202&name=ExampleLikeViaShare.gif
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[eddie] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F5RQR6GGJ/examplelikeviaaction.gif?pub_secret=001d0c7465&name=ExampleLikeViaAction.gif
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aaronpk i think i prefer the first one actually, because i know i can sort that list to make that action the first option
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aaronpk presumably you can change "like" to "repost" or other actions once the UI launches?
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[eddie] Yep, with the Share sheet, the “action” item that says like can be tapped on to change to repost, reply, etc.
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[eddie] Eventually when I add RSVP support, it would even add “RSVP Yes, No and maybe” if it detected an H-Event on the page
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aaronpk is there any way to provide feedback that the post was successful?
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aaronpk (in either option)
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[eddie] Yep, definitely ?
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[eddie] I've just gotten so use to Tweetbot's "like" button in like that I felt like the Share Extension was a lot of steps, but I guess really if you want less steps then that you should be in a Micropub/Microsub reader
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aaronpk i guess it's a little weird that there's a field for typing content when posting the "like" from the action sheet
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[eddie] Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I think I'm going to start with a table view of actions and then show the Fields applicable to any type of action.
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[eddie] So in that way you would click the share sheet icon, and then it would present a list of options one of them being like you would click on the like and then it would show confirmation that the like was sent.
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[eddie] Same with repost. Then if you choose to reply, that is when a text box for the pier and you would be able to attach things like an image categories etc.
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GWG New version of Indieweb Post Kinds. Yay
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[miklb] GWG was the photo template useful?
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GWG [miklb]: Yes, but the Micropub plugin saves anything in the 'photo' property as a sideloaded attachment, so I switched it to use the built-in attachment functions, which makes it more universal.
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GWG [miklb]: It will basically display either the 'featured' image or any image attached to the post using the built in gallery function.
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[miklb] I did it the way I did because there is a way to ownyourgram & it not attach an image only store the link to the IG photo
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[miklb] If I'm remembering correctly
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[miklb] yeah, IG does both JSON request which does the IG url & multipart upload which would make an attachment.
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[miklb] s/IG/OYG/
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[cleverdevil] Looking good Eddie!
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[eddie] Thanks cleverdevil!
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[eddie] I keep getting caught up in trying to refine the UI too much and getting stuck in the weeds, so I have to keep re-orienting myself. Get everything working correctly and then worry about the look
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[eddie] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F5R925STB/screenshot_2017-06-10_17.20.02.png?pub_secret=d00e847a1d&name=Screenshot 2017-06-10 17.20.02.png
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[eddie] I’ll just leave this here… ?
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aaronpk hehehe
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aaronpk haha whoa, my Switchboard logo ended up in a slide deck about pubsubhubbub!
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Loqi rofl
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2017-06-10-14-48-36.png
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[eddie] That's awesome! ?
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gregorlove.com edited /Loqi (+70) ""what is..." for h-events, move other bugs into bug section" (view diff)
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[eddie] !tell cleverdevil: FYI your template for reviews https://cleverdevil.io/2017/things-3-is-a-perfect-match-of-form-and-function needs it’s p-name fixed. It’s just grabbing all of the entry content for the name ? (http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcleverdevil.io%2F2017%2Fthings-3-is-a-perfect-match-of-form-and-function)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Jonathan LaCour] Jonathan LaCour ...
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gRegorLove Looks like it's because the h-review is nested in the h-entry. Perhaps /review could be added as a post type in Known
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Loqi gRegorLove: Zegnat left you a message 14 hours, 15 minutes ago: Nürnberg uses ? to link to videos because /? is a link to /video. Made sense to me to keep the iconography the same. I did those links, and the rest of the schedule page during IWC lunch as I was remote.
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gRegorLove Oh, I guess review is a type
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gRegorLove Le sigh https://feedhtml.github.io/
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aaronpk wat
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aaronpk can't tell if that's a joke
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm not sure that guy flirts the edge of Poes law a lot for me
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ben_thatmustbeme however, the Vienna HTML group really should be invited to talk with #indieweb
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ben_thatmustbeme would be cool to see IWC Vienna