#dev 2017-06-09

2017-06-09 UTC
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@sriperinkulam Srikanth Perinkulam Need to figure out why certain #webmentions ... https://srikanthperinkulam.com/2017/06/08/webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/872992136098086912)
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ben_thatmustbeme Yay, first successful micropub post using the new code base
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Loqi ?
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ben_thatmustbeme Getting there.. . Slowly
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[eddie] ben_thatmustbeme++ congrats ?
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 11 karma in this channel (231 overall)
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petermolnar is there really no javascript rendering engine implementation without qt dependencies?
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GWG Morning
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Loqi morning!
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[kevinmarks] Why replace webmention with ldn?
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Zegnat What is ldn?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ldn" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat kevinmarks ^^^
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www.svenknebel.de edited /events/2017-06-14-homebrew-website-club (+5) "/* Berlin */" (view diff)
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petermolnar what is LDN
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petermolnar what is LDN?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "LDN" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "LDN" yet. Would you like to create it?
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /YAMLFeed (+110) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add my yamlfeed" (view diff)
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aaronpk is working on an XRay update
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@b_antunes Webmention W3C recommendation https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/873207063761080320)
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aaronpk boom hackernews URL parsing \o/ https://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14516923
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Loqi [aaronpk] I am a member of the W3C Social Web Working Group (https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg), and have been organizing IndieWebCamp (https://indieweb.org/) conferences in this space for the last 7 years. We've been making a lot of progress: * https://www.w3....
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[eddie] aaronpk: As I’m thinking through how I build stuff out for my site. Do you use your hosted XRay internally? Or do you have the same code but both as an external service and as part of your internal codebase?
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[eddie] basically are you actually hitting the http endpoint or just using the library
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aaronpk [eddie]: aaronparecki.com and webmention.io actually hit the xray.p3k.io endpoint
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aaronpk a design decision of my site was to avoid having that server make any http requests to untrusted URLs
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[eddie] Gotcha :thumbsup:
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[eddie] Good to know. I was wondering if it added any major overhead, but seems not to
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aaronpk whoops, can't deploy my site until i fix my home router
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aaronpk i host my website source code at a server at home, and yesterday replaced the router and haven't set up port forwarding rules yet
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aaronpk oh yay, that was easier than i thought
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+34) "/* 2013 */ first Webmention federated comment from Aaron to Sandeep" (view diff)
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tantek we're coming up on the 4th anniversary of the first federated comment via webmention! 2013-06-11 from aaronpk to sandeep (per /timeline#2013 )
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+210) "/* 2013 */ note apparent second site to show federated indieweb comments via pingback" (view diff)
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[eddie] Just rolled out an update to my micropub server (*crosses fingers*) It supports posting photos with captions, likes, reposts, replies, notes and articles. ? Haven’t throughly tested it. lol Hope everything works well as I test it out with Quill today. if all goes well, then I’ll be ready to wrap up the final work on Indigenous and get it into a place where I can do a beta
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[eddie] ? I have to update my templates some, but I just successfully liked a post with Quill
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aaronpk nice!
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[eddie] I had boxed myself into a corner with my initial micropub implementation. (I was putting everything into YAML by hand…. I don’t know why I did that. Really dumb) so I moved over now to a new data storage model (still yaml) more similar to your implementation on p3k how it mirrors micropub/mf2. And I use a yaml module that pushes a JavaScript Object directly into yaml automatically. MUCH more flexible now. Instead of looking for specific prop
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[eddie] those, I include everything by default UNLESS I have special rules for it.
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[eddie] Much more expandable
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[eddie] And now that my server pretty much supports all general/typical post types, I can really get moving on Indigenous. The hold-up was my poor micropub support as I want to make sure indigenous is working well so it’s actually a decent beta and not really an alpha ?
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gregorlove.com edited /timeline (+223) "/* 2017 */ +IWCs this year" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /timeline (+114) "/* 2016 */ HWC Bham" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /timeline (+148) "/* 2013 */ HWC SF" (view diff)
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[cleverdevil] Awesome news eddie
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[cleverdevil] eddie++
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Loqi eddie has 7 karma in this channel (19 overall)
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[cleverdevil] I'm hoping to work on the Known micropub implementation at IWS.
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[cleverdevil] I'd like it to be a first-class implementation, supporting as much as possible.
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[eddie] That sounds awesome
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gregorlove.com edited /timeline (-5) "/* 2013 */ snarfed template" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /timeline (-21) "/* 2013 */ more sparkline templates" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /timeline (+111) "/* 2014 */ first HWC Chicago" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /Chicago (+234) "stub" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /timeline (+109) "/* 2013 */ first HWC PDX" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /timeline (+113) "/* 2016 */ first B'more HWC" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme remembering how fun it is to check all the boxes on micropub.rocks
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ben_thatmustbeme now that i'm re-doing it all
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ben_thatmustbeme making real good progress though, will still need to do all the webmention stuff
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[cleverdevil] ?
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[cleverdevil] I badly want to tick the boxes on my site ?
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ben_thatmustbeme my hope is that this time it will be much more maintainable code though, and it is waaayy easier to set up now
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com (+56) "https links, elsewhere" (view diff)
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aaronpk finds https://github.com/codedge/laravel-selfupdater
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Loqi [codedge] laravel-selfupdater: This package provides some basic methods to implement a self updating functionality for your Laravel 5 application. Already bundled are some methods to provide a self-update mechanism via Github.
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: have you seen that?
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tantek wow #dwebsummit was a year ago today
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tantek Good reason to promote IndieWeb Summit to the dwebsummit crowd!
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tantek do we need a catchy hashtag? #iwebsummit ;)
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loqi.me created /2017-06-14 (+52) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek dev is closer to meta than the main channel so..
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tantek I noticed (from taking a step back) that the home page has good "timeless" content (mission, summary, principles etc.) as well as good "future" content (HWC, IWS/IWC)
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tantek what's missing from that is "recently" (just chat log and recent changes, both of which have a ton to wade through to find any "recent highlights")
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tantek (More Info has links to the "Posts about", "videos about" "news" pages, but that's kinda buried at the bottom)
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tantek e.g. I think "This week" would be better than "recent changes"
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aaronpk great point
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tantek is there a dynamic this week link that redirects to the latest?
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tantek lol /this-week/this-week ;)
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aaronpk just https://indieweb.org/this-week/
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tantek no that's a feed / index
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tantek I mean like we have /today for the chat logs
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+50) "/* Join the IndieWeb */ This week has better highlights than chat logs (moved) or Recent changes" (view diff)
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tantek ^^^ take a look, I think even linking to the index is better than chat logs as a primary place to see "recent stuff"
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+95) "/* 2017 */ Micropub REC" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+12) "bold RECs" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+1131) "/* needs cleanup */ we documented a few of these, and there are a few more we should document (likely available from their pages)" (view diff)
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tantek gets distracted to-do-izing /timeline needs cleanup items
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+3070) "a bit more structure for some of the stuff we need to document, basically, need dates and citations" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+168) "/* Needs Dates and incorporation above */ prioritize documenting indieweb community historical tech / events" (view diff)
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tantek !tell gRegorLove if you're interested in digging into a few more timeline items, I expanded some specifics that we need dates/creators/citations for https://indieweb.org/timeline#Needs_Dates_and_incorporation_above in nice bullet list form so you can knock out as few or as many as you want and mark them off accordingly
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek ok back to video link / UI experiments
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tantek aaronpk, another point about the indieweb.org home page - in comparison to other communities / projects
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tantek nearly every other such "modern" community or project has a short video intro embedded directly on their home page
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tantek I feel like we could use that, but also feel that we may want something a bit more properly edited / finessed than just a talk recording
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tantek unless we already have something?
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tantek just a thought - I suppose I can add it to the LS queue
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www.svenknebel.de edited /timeline (+95) "/* 2017 */ add first HWC Berlin" (view diff)
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aaronpk that's probably a good idea
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tantek.com edited /2017/Leaders (+407) "/* Site Refresh */ home page short intro video embed" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, it looks like there is a *video* for IWC DUS intros but no wiki page for that session?!?
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tantek can't even see it on the schedule grid!
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tantek https://indieweb.org/2017/D%C3%BCsseldorf/Schedule
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tantek do you know what time the intros started?
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tantek.com created /2017/Düsseldorf/Introductions (+60) "stub - just a video AFAIK" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2017/Düsseldorf (-37) "/* Participating */ no before-the-camp session ideas apparently (red link even after the camp)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2017/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+87) "introductions placeholder (since there's video of it, but no idea when it started)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2017/Düsseldorf/Introductions (+0) "2017 video (not 2016)" (view diff)
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gRegorLove The "Introductions" page has been overlooked or not included in several recent IWCs, if my recollection is correct.
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 31 minutes ago: if you're interested in digging into a few more timeline items, I expanded some specifics that we need dates/creators/citations for https://indieweb.org/timeline#Needs_Dates_and_incorporation_above in nice bullet list form so you can knock out as few or as many as you want and mark them off accordingly
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tantek.com edited /2017/Düsseldorf/Introductions (+65) "dfn" (view diff)
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sknebel tantek: assuming the clock on someones mac in the video is correct, it started 10:15
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tantek sknebel: sorry I had the wrong video, fixed now
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sknebel just noticed
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sknebel in the correct video, it seems like they started punctual at 10:00 with demos starting at 10:05
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gRegorLove I think it gets stubbed sometimes, like /2016/LA/Introductions but not usually much beyond that.
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tantek gRegorLove: it's a pretty important responsibility for organizers, e.g. reading/summary of Code of Conduct
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tantek now checking IRC logs for IWC DUS intros notes (if any)
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gRegorLove I think my own confusion with the page started with /2015/Demos, where we combined start and end demos in there. Then /2016 was first IWS so there was a keynote rather than "normal" intro session
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sknebel hm, Nürnberg doesn't have a Demo page yet... I did Düsseldorf, but since I was in Nürnberg on-site I didn't have the time/quiet to do it immediately afterwards
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gRegorLove tantek: Agreed, it's important. We didn't have that page for IWC Bellingham, though I hopefully hit most of the items.
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ben_thatmustbeme woah, aaronpk, i had not
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tantek gRegorLove: cool. It's a good checklist reminder for organizers, and also a helpful reference for any attendees browsing the schedule grid
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gregorlove.com edited /2016/LA/Schedule (+23) (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme very interesting. selfupdater for laravel that is
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tantek especially if they came late (after the intro)
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gregorlove.com edited /2016/MIT2/Schedule (+23) (view diff)
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tantek sknebel: looks like 10:06 according to this photo: https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/863304449644691456
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@jkphl .@adactio and @aaronpk kicking off the #IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf day 1 @sipgateDE https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_sS0BrXYAEM1PM.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/863304449644691456)
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gregorlove.com edited /2016/MIT2/Schedule (+86) "Other Years" (view diff)
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tantek we can approximate to 10:00 as scheduled
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tantek.com edited /2017/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+11) "apparently Intros started ~10:00" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2016/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+111) "Other years, category" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2016/MIT/Schedule (+111) "Other years, category" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2016/NYC/Schedule (+111) "Other years, category" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2017/Düsseldorf/Introductions (+318) "image, please help with Transcript" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2016/LA/Schedule (+87) "Other years" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2017/Düsseldorf/Introductions (+337) "IRC links, session planning photo from jkphl" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2017/Schedule (+111) "Other years, category" (view diff)
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gRegorLove tantek: Should "State of the IndieWeb and other keynotes" on /2017/Schedule be "Introductions, State of the IndieWeb, and other keynotes" then?
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tantek should mini-video links in context of their session names use a YouTube logo icon, or an emoji like ??
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tantek gRegorLove: depends, do we have different videos for those sessions in 2016?
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tantek if we have different videos, makes sense to have different explicit session pages for each
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tantek I'm leaning toward the emoji instead of YT branding. In the hopes that the links to YT videos could somehow in the future be replaced with archive.org open video links or something
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tantek.com edited /2017/Düsseldorf/Introductions (+5) "emoji" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Not sure. This is kind of what my confusion is. Is Introductions just the intro/history of IWC, or attendee intros & demos
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gRegorLove 2016 was unique since we had /2016/state-of-indieweb
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tantek did 2016 have a separate video for state of indieweb vs. introductions?
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tantek Or maybe ▶️
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tantek yeah I think that's more quickly recognizable than the TV emoji (which implies (live) broadcast) anyway)
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tantek (which we could use for when live streaming!)