#dev 2017-06-08

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tantek creates a WP stub for "Micropub (protocol)" just to dig himself deeper
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eli_oat tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 7 karma in this channel (348 overall)
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eli_oat tantek, I saw the post about MDN doubling down on web docs. Is that an effort you are involved with?
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aaronpk wow that's an old issue https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/issues/40
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Loqi [peterwilsoncc] #40 Add native support for exotic webmentions
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, does a token endpoint url have to be absolute?
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ben_thatmustbeme seems like quill isn't expecting a relative url
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk ^^
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aaronpk hm
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ben_thatmustbeme only reason i can figure for why i'm not getinng anything hitting my end
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aaronpk you would have found out real quick if quill can't find your token endpoint
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aaronpk go here and click "reset login" https://quill.p3k.io/settings then try signing in again
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aaronpk that will show you the debug screen when you first sign in, which will show you what it found for your endpoints
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm trying to sign in for the first time
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ben_thatmustbeme Below is the raw response from your token endpoint (/api/token):
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ben_thatmustbeme and its blank
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aaronpk do you see your token endpoint on this screen? https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2017-06-07-17-27-07.png
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ben_thatmustbeme Found your token endpoint: /api/token
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ben_thatmustbeme i suppose i can just hard code it for now and confirm if it is a bug in quill
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aaronpk if that fixes it, it's a bug in the indieauth-client-php package https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php
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Loqi [indieweb] indieauth-client-php: Sample implementation and helper methods for an IndieAuth client.
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ben_thatmustbeme confirmed, that worked
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aaronpk welp
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[miklb] heh, read tantek’s “WP stub” and was confused. WP != WP lol
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tantek eli_oat here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropub_(protocol) feel free to improve!
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eli_oat nice!
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tantek except now that too has been nominated for speedy deletion!
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tantek so could use some help expanding it with citations and such
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aaronpk maybe add this reference? http://help.micro.blog/2017/indiewebcamp/
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tantek better yet, add the w3.org blog references
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tantek basically expand it in a parallel way to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webmention
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aaronpk isn't that still primary soruce?
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tantek note that Webmention is not nominated for deletion
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aaronpk huh
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aaronpk i don't understand wikipedia sometimes
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tantek point being, expanding it to be more thorough may help persuade folks to vote against deletion
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tantek yes, wikipedia is an odd mix of seemingly hard & fast rules, and LOTS of judgment calls, as well as ways to sway CfD etc. debates
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eli_oat I'm always shocked at how swift wikipedia is, too
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tantek one method of *keeping* a page in WP is to demonstrate that it is at least as relevant as an existing page that is uncontested
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tantek previous stubs I've created have been more thorough, so it is unsurprising that someone saw the new minimal page, and slapped a quick CfD on it.
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eli_oat I've never actually edited a wikipedia page before, but I'm giving it a go now
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tantek great!
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tantek better to use a logged in profile as well
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eli_oat good to know, thanks
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eli_oat well, it isn't heaps more. But I expanded it slightly
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eli_oat I need to read through the spec. a bit more before I can write more, but defo wanna expand it to talk about discoverability and endpoints, at least.
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tantek expanding slightly is very much the wiki way
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eli_oat it has been neat to see how this community documents stuff. I'm in charge of writing documentation at work, but I'm the only one who ever works on it, and for the most part, the only one who reads it. Doing it in the open is a lot more fun
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gRegorLove I added internal WP links for Microformats and IndieWeb to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropub_(protocol)
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Loqi Micropub
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tantek gRegorLove: thanks that makes sense
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gRegorLove Looking to update /Microformats over there some too
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eli_oat on fire!
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gRegorLove Looking for the history of when mf2 was launched
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tantek yeah WP microformats page needs quite a bit of updating, though it's better if I don't update it
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gRegorLove tantek: This post mentions mf2 has been in development the "past couple years" and then it's "stable and ready for trying out in real world experiments" so should I use that post's date in the Background section of the article, or some other more precise date?
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tantek you could cite the origin date / event - the proposal and discussion at Foo East
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gRegorLove Ah, maybe this date: http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2010-05-02-microformats-2-0
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Loqi microformats 2.0 discussion
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gRegorLove "Most of the existing microformats originated at the Microformats.org wiki and the associated mailing list[citation needed]" Love the placement of that "citation needed" :)
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aaronpk lolol
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gRegorLove I didn't realize there were wikipedia pages for so many mf, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geo_(microformat)
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gRegorLove Each section I go into to make an improvement, I click a link and find another page to be improved. Ahhh :)
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gRegorLove Some mf2 updates on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microformat now, including examples.
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aaronpk hey now that the ruby parser is awesome maybe i can work on https://github.com/calagator/calagator/issues/240
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Loqi [aaronpk] #240 Parse Microformats2 h-event format as a source
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tantek and just removed the proposed WP micropub article delete tag because it said I could if the article had been exapnded. which it is now, greatly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropub_(protocol)
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Loqi Micropub
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tantek help would be great with linking up more of the server implementations to their sites / repos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropub_(protocol)#Servers
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pfefferle !tell GWG I think homepage webmentions are fine and it shouldn't be that complicated to implement... for "archive/taxonomy webmentions" we need something like `url_to_taxonomyid`...
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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vanderven.se martijn edited /events/2017-06-14-homebrew-website-club (-12) "Add Fort Collins with Facebook event link." (view diff)
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Zegnat Is anyone doing any short-link-resolving when they store other’s content, e.g. for a repost?
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@growdigital Set up Webmention on my static site, very easy ? thanks to @aaronpk and https://webmention.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/872771368869384192)
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GWG Morning
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Loqi GWG: pfefferle left you a message 4 hours, 16 minutes ago: I think homepage webmentions are fine and it shouldn't be that complicated to implement... for "archive/taxonomy webmentions" we need something like `url_to_taxonomyid`...
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Loqi good morning
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GWG pfefferle: Simplest is just a box in settings to set it. Alternatively, a custom post type to autoconfigure.
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@knagasaki IIIFers expect Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ . I think so. Coud you tell me a good use case of Webmention+ #IIIF ? (twitter.com/_/status/872800500479078400)
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sknebel IIIF? this https://iiif.github.io/training/intro-to-iiif/WHAT_IS_IIIF.html IIIF?
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Zegnat Wait. What is an Image Interoperability Challenge?
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sknebel metadata, storage management for large images, access control, attribution, ...?
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sknebel file formats in more exotic use cases
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Zegnat Yeah, they really solved the file formats question by allowing JPEG, JPEG2000, and TIFF :p
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sknebel (ah, next page: https://iiif.github.io/training/intro-to-iiif/WHY_IIIF.html)
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Zegnat I do like how viewingDirection is part of the Presentation API
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sknebel I didn't look into the specific example in detail^^^
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Zegnat I just scrolled through http://iiif.io/api/presentation/2.1/ a bit
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Zegnat navDate “must be an xsd:dateTime literal in UTC”... xsd:dateTime in a JSON data block. I don’t…
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@azaroth42 @knagasaki Most recent thoughts is to use LDN instead of WebMention. https://www.w3.org/TR/ldn/ Use case: Alert availa… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/872803562576674817 (twitter.com/_/status/872803562576674817)
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ben_thatmustbeme arghh... i'm missing data
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ben_thatmustbeme thats why https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2014/9/12/1/_ and https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2014/4/24/1/_ don't match up as they should
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Loqi [Ben Roberts] Just An Inkling Ben Roberts ...
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ben_thatmustbeme well... "missing data" not really missing, just not associated correctly it seems
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sknebel What is LDN?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "LDN" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sknebel What is Linked Data Notifications?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Linked Data Notifications" yet. Would you like to create it?
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@dissolve333 @knagasaki Webmention would be great for any sort of notification from outside sources. Crowdsource review of digi… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/872805701688709121 (twitter.com/_/status/872805701688709121)
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@_masaka @knagasaki interesting post from @jeffreycwitt on #IIIF + LDN (also webmention in prev post) https://twitter.com/_masaka/statuses/839687794914017281 (twitter.com/_/status/872812272812302337)
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petermolnar huh, rhiaro is an editor on LDN
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pfefferle GWG what about a simple dropdown with pages?
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schmarty congrats to all the folks here who had work go out in today's Wordpress 4.8 release!
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Loqi schmarty: tantek left you a message 2 days, 17 hours ago: added a bunch more proposed Leaders Summit sessions for your consideration - please take a look and add interested (or not) notes, or other suggestions! https://indieweb.org/2017/Leaders#Sessions
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schmarty packs a bag and dons hiking shoes to begin the process of updating all his WP sites.
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gRegorLove Ooh, did some indieweb stuff get in 4.8?
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tantek did it? GWG?
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schmarty GWG is listed as a contributor in the release notes: https://wordpress.org/news/2017/06/evans/
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schmarty not sure which contributions in particular
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GWG I did?
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aaronpk GWG++
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Loqi gwg has 5 karma in this channel (228 overall)
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GWG It must have been months ago
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aaronpk nice
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GWG I don't remember what I got in 4.8
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tantek GWG++ congrats!!!
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+17) "my mlkshk brings all the site-deaths to the yard (archive)" (view diff)
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tantek but did they pour one out?
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aaronpk i feel like i've got timezone handling down pretty well personally, but my next challenge is going to be timestamps with arbitrary precision
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aaronpk sadly there is less support in programming languages for that than there is for timezones
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Zegnat “less support in programming languages for that than there is for timezones ” - hard to imagine that
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@WendyandCharles ReadersGazette: BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.thejugglingauthor.com/indieauth/ Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 28 (twitter.com/_/status/872906383737409537)
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aaronpk hm i thought i had already added that filter
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aaronpk "heskett" is supposed to be excluded too lol
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tantek.com edited /Hacker_News (+459) "POSSE example aaronpk, Backfeed brainstorm, Bridgy support has a github issue now" (view diff)
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aaronpk ftfy tantek
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tantek :)
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aaronpk with an example from 2012 o.O
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