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GWG Hi, Tantek
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ben_thatmustbeme Woo I see people are checking out selfauth
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www.boffosocko.com edited /2017/Leaders (+19) "/* Remote Participation */ Chris Aldrich (begrudgingly remote....)" (view diff)
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tantek loganwifi was soooooooo slow
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tantek and then there were four
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tantek js;dr site = inaccessible in Boston Logan airport
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GWG I am sitting on a flight that just took off listening to KevinMarks
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[kevinmarks] what am I talking about?
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[kevinmarks] on TWiG?
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[kevinmarks] it was a bit android heavy last week
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GWG Yes, catching up
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GWG I like Android
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[kevinmarks] TBH I have more fun with Leo, Jeff and Stacey
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GWG Different focuses
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sknebel ben_thatmustbeme: Wooh!
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sknebel although if people start testing selfauth already we really should add a "not recommended for actual use yet" warning to the readme
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martymcgui.re edited /User:Martymcgui.re (+678) "/* Itches */" (view diff)
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GWG chrisaldrich, still thinking about what is next
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ben_thatmustbeme Good thing to add sknebel
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ben_thatmustbeme sknebel++
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk, i figure i should make sure to get it stated that you are okay with the contributing.md and licenses (MIT and CC0) before i merge your PR for selfauth
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aaronpk yes, commented!
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ben_thatmustbeme thanks
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, regarding #3 (writing its own config file), is no one concerned about it being possible for someone to happen to leave their endpoint unconfigured and someone could just hit the setup.php page and configure it for them?
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aaronpk that happens with wordpress and mediawiki too
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aaronpk i think it's fine
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sknebel kind of. there you still need to setup database etc, it's a bit more than just hit a button and go. but yes, it's a fairly common pattern
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loqi.me created /reactji (+45) "prompted by dougbeal|iOS and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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sknebel omg why did I start reading about RNGs again
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tantek what is a RNG
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "RNG" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sknebel random number generator
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aaronparecki.com edited /2017/Schedule (+124) "/* Saturday */ add macgenie's event" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme lol, sknebel, i think aaronpk's suggestion works well enough for now
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ben_thatmustbeme i have code for it, and self-writing the file, but its not working for some reason
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sknebel yeah, should be enough (at least I can't come up with an obvious scenario, and it's better than what we have now)
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sknebel I just find this stuff totally fascinating but also incredibly hard to match to practice
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ben_thatmustbeme it pushed update
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ben_thatmustbeme need sleep
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ben_thatmustbeme sknebel: Zegnat, please review
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sknebel ben_thatmustbeme: will try
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sknebel ben_thatmustbeme: good night!
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aaronpk It seems odd, but I think I don't need to do anything else before the leaders summit tomorrow morning so I am going to bed to get some sleep!
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk++ go to bed
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Loqi aaronpk has 58 karma in this channel (1353 overall)
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GWG aaronpk, see you there
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Template:WordPress (+24) "simple location" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Simple_Location (+76) "see also" (view diff)
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kraftbj GWG: To continue on, I'll add to GH how I was able to manually inspect that.
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GWG kraftbj, updating a comment is held up by a ticket that has been rejected in 4.6-4.8
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GWG I think I have to do something hacky
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kraftbj core ticket? you have a link handy?
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[miklb] I didn’t think the issue with semantic linkbacks and author_name not being included had anything to do with updating a comment.
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www.boffosocko.com edited /WordPress_uf2 (+109) "see also; wordpress category" (view diff)
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GWG https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/36784
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GWG But the author name was enhanced in my last PR to pull from a URL
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Template:WordPress (+22) "WordPress uf2" (view diff)
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kraftbj I'll see if I can figure out why that ticket got passed over. It seems logical.
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[miklb] chrisaldrich the WordPress uf2 plugin was renamed to Microformats 2
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kraftbj Probably just needs someone to poke people enough.
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kraftbj I just realized the time. I need to find a bed. Catch y'all soon.
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kraftbj waves
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GWG kraftbj, got a poker?
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[chrisaldrich] miklb I saw that on Github, and it works there, but no one renamed it here within the wiki, and for our purposes wiki-wise, keeping the name to disambiguate it from the microformats page is probably a good thing.
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[miklb] ?
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[miklb] just didn’t know if someone saw uf2 on wiki and looked for it on wp.org and get confused, but it will be in the IndieWeb plugin installer I suspect.
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GWG miklb, I intend to restore it and Press This once I get a chance
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GWG Now that they are going in the .org repo
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[miklb] have they been accepted? I can help add if you have your hands full.
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[miklb] guess a new branch with them in it that can be merged and pushed once they are live would work too.
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GWG miklb, I know pfefferle submitted them.
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@SvenSeebeck And now the blog features Webmentions, which, if I have set up everything correctly, hopefully works. https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/878127966445641731)
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pfefferle GWG miklb I have submitted both and uf2 was accepted the other one is still in review
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pfefferle GWG I am working on a travis-ci job to push a new version to the WP.org repo every time we create a new tag on github
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GWG Pfefferle, great
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cweiske why travis? why not github directly?
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pfefferle GWG ...so it's easier to update more often without much pain
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GWG pfefferle, agreed
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pfefferle cweiske can github push to svn repos?
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cweiske I thought a hook
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cweiske (or integration)
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pfefferle will have a look
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cweiske they have no pre-build service integration
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cweiske so you'd have to run a webhook
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pfefferle ok, but then I prefer travis
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cweiske pfefferle, when doing that on travis, then travis needs to get hold of the credentials
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pfefferle sure
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cweiske how do you want to do that in a secure way?
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pfefferle you can add environment vars
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pfefferle so no passwords in the repo
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cweiske ah, ok
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pfefferle and I will create kind of a WP indieweb user for wordpress, so that I do not have to use my password :)
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cweiske I've got a cweiske-mirror user on github that I use to sync from my server to github
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cweiske which does the same job
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cweiske https://github.com/cweiske-mirror
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pfefferle :) nice avatar
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petermolnar.net edited /2017/Leaders (+384) "petermolnar's opinions" (view diff)
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petermolnar.net edited /2017/Leaders (+142) "/* Community Repos */" (view diff)
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petermolnar I'm getting tempted to write a browser plugin that first tried to load the article content from RSS/Atom to avoid js;dr ...
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loqi.me created /opcache (+81) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by cweiske" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme moved config.php to config.php.example
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ben_thatmustbeme even though its in .gitignore, it keeps submitting my test configs
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ben_thatmustbeme because there is a file there
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sebsel that's probably because config.php is in the repo
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sebsel yeah
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cweiske ben_thatmustbeme, if it is in the git index already, then .gitignore is ignored
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ben_thatmustbeme although i thought i had that working in something else, where it ignored updates, but i am clearly mistaken
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sebsel ben_thatmustbeme thanks for the ++ btw :) I'm glad to contribute, for it's a nice addition to the general IndieAuth options.
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aaronpk Looks like some great progress on selfauth!
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patrick.multitek.no created /Main_Page-nb (+10141) "Created page" (view diff)
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kodfabrik.se edited /2017/Leaders (+1065) "/* Discussion Channels */ Adding my thoughts" (view diff)
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sebastiangreger.net edited /2017/Leaders (+14) "/* Regrets */ can't make it" (view diff)
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Zegnat Aww, sgreger :(
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sknebel What is Linked Data Notifications?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Linked Data Notifications" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sknebel Linked Data Notifications is https://www.w3.org/TR/ldn/, a protocol to send RDF-based messages between servers.
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Loqi ok
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sknebel What is LDN?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "LDN" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sknebel LDN is /Linked_Data_Notifications
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Loqi ok
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@WendyandCharles ReadersGazette: BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.thejugglingauthor.com/indieauth/ Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 49 (twitter.com/_/status/878280157483511809)
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Zegnat sknebel, nice quick gardening
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aaronpk ================
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aaronpk Leaders' Summit Meeting Notes
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aaronpk intros
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aaronpk in PDX: GWG, aaronpk, tantek, gRegorLove, marty
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aaronpk chrisaldrich from LA
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aaronpk calumryan in London
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aaronpk jkphl_ in Nürnberg Germany
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aaronpk voxpelli in Malmö Sweden
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sknebel derhess
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aaronpk Flo in Berlin (derhess)
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aaronpk sknebel in Berlin
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voxpelli Zegnat in Åmål Sweden
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aaronpk Martijn in Åmål Sweden (Zegnat on IRC)
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sknebel sebsel ?
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sebsel having connection issues
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tantek Session topics https://indieweb.org/2017/Leaders#Sessions
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aaronpk petermolnar: we saw you for a second
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sknebel petermolnar, we saw you briefly but you went away
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GWG I am in the dev channel.
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Zegnat IF any non-US participants have a time limit, please shout out
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sknebel 30 minutes until timebox end
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2017-06-23 7:14pm CEST (#6022)
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Zegnat First up: discussion channels
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Zegnat Last time created -dev and renamed the main channel (dropping camp)
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sebsel Martijn, silent your phone!
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Zegnat Done sebsel
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tantek welcome Kongaloosh !
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Kongaloosh ta!
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tantek discussing https://indieweb.org/2017/Leaders#Discussion_Channels
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Zegnat -chat was created later. indieweb, -dev, and -chat are being bridged to slach by aaronpk
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Zegnat new channels have been proposed (see wiki).
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Zegnat last year wiki edits were moved to -dev to make the main channel less noisy.
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Zegnat if we create a meta channel - should wiki edits go there?
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Zegnat meta channel was discussed, but going from 1 to 2 was easier at the time. Hesitant too create too big a split (easier to split than merge)
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Zegnat multiple channels usually works out very well (—aaronpk), Slack lets people create new channels easily, but Slack also allows for channels to be closed down. IRC does not allow us to do that.
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Zegnat self-segmenting discussions can be useful
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Zegnat can we just go to -chat when something doesn’t fit with main or -dev?
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Zegnat Problem with -chat: not logged.
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[chrisaldrich] welcome jeanmacdonald!
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Zegnat surprising amount of discussion in chat that doesn't need to be logged
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Zegnat sometimes gets onto ontopic things, and then needs to be copied over
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Can you hear us?
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Zegnat off-the-record chatting should be OK (no slack logs)
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[chrisaldrich] For those joining late, we're live streaming discussion via https://2017.indieweb.org/vidyo
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tantek we're discussing should we have #indieweb-meta ? for discussion about community, wiki edits
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[jeanmacdonald] chrisaldrich: Now that I'm using Slack's neural implant (beta), I can join an infinite number of Slack channels. ?
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Zegnat gRegorLove and sknebel voted -1 on wiki but are mostly just not sure if it is needed to have an extra channel
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sknebel Zegnat: I didn't vote
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Zegnat Oh, sorry, sknebel
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Zegnat Don’t know why I thought that, my apologies
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Zegnat “we have a lot of distractible people”
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tantek Zegnat (myself included :) )
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tantek sknebel: you can say +0 or -0 or 0 also :)
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Zegnat ±0
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tantek https://indieweb.org/discuss
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Zegnat A meta channel will allow people to chose to follow meta work (wiki and organising) without having to go through developer chat backlog.
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Zegnat event planning, community stuff[?], wiki edits
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aaronpk community organizing
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[chrisaldrich] news, incoming twitter and suprfeedr?
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Zegnat wiki edits can go to either -dev or -meta, depending on how the channels grow
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Zegnat wiki edits are currently very developer related, so would be nice on -dev
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Zegnat especially for spec work
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tantek Zegnat yes that makes sense
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Zegnat just noting what is being said. If I really have an own opinion I will speak up, tantek :)
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Zegnat how to segregate superfeedr mentions. most people seem fine with current segregation
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Zegnat vote on indieweb-meta
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Zegnat ?
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sknebel anyone against?
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flo__ ?
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sebsel +1
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Zegnat can we change where wiki edits are put based on edit summary text
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Zegnat “could be done”
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GWG It just occurred to me. I figured...why not mention it.
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Zegnat for indieweb-meta: event planning, community organising (and tools), wiki gardening
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voxpelli Good idea ?
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Zegnat GWG, great to throw out, so great I thought I should note it here too :)
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Zegnat not officially close any chat channel, but focus on the indieweb-chat one for the slack bridge
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Zegnat kinda already there
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Zegnat change the #indiechat IRC topic to make it sound less official
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sebsel todo: change the topic on #indiechat to not say 'official' and #indiewebcamp
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sknebel topic: -wordpress channel
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Zegnat no votes against on indiechat
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gRegorLove GWG "Who here is just WordPress curious?"
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Zegnat finding the line between wp-only and just design questions (as example from GWG) might be hard to find
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Zegnat ping petermolnar, you are -1 on the wiki, do you want to put a comment in on indieweb-wordpress ?
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Zegnat we are already pointing people to -dev from main, so pointing people to a different channel is already being done
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Loqi timebox end
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Loqi Countdown set by sknebel on 2017-06-23 at 6:44pm CEST
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Zegnat let the community filter out topics themselves?
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Zegnat also note: it already exists on Slack
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Zegnat ping aaronpk : client has participants list https://imgur.com/a/K3tpg
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aaronpk nice
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Zegnat slack allows for anyone to create a new channel, which has led to -wordpress existing there and nowhere else
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loqi.me edited /Vidyo (+133) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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voxpelli Is it #indieweb-wp or #indieweb-wordpress ?
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Zegnat No more votes against on -wordpress
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GWG wordpress. Full name
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sebsel #indieweb-wordpress makes more sense
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jkphl_ exactly
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Loqi jkphl_: tantek left you a message on 2017-04-13 at 1:32am UTC: are you available the evening of Friday 2017-06-23 to remote participate in an IndieWeb Leaders Summit? Add a note accordingly: https://indieweb.org/2017/Schedule#Comments
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jkphl_ thanks sven
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tantek :)
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voxpelli #indieweb-wp is more same length as #indieweb-dev, but sure ;)
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GWG For advertising to newcomers, the full name makes more sense.
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Zegnat decisions have been made for channels, moving on to a different topic
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petermolnar back in a minute
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aaronpk 10 minutes until Logo discussion ends
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2017-06-23 10:36am PDT (#6023)
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sknebel 10 minutes until timebox end
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2017-06-23 7:36pm CEST (#6024)
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tantek `https://indieweb.org/2017/Leaders#More_Logos
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jkphl_ tantek: you said a very true sentence before: "we've got a lot of distractable people (in the channels)" -- i'm definitely one of them. so this is the main reason why i don't actively participate in the channels (while i still *read* them from time to time, mostly using the web interface)
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sknebel !cancel 6024
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Loqi Okay, I cancelled it!
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[chrisaldrich] https://github.com/indieweb/branding
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Loqi [indieweb] branding: Source files for the IndieWebCamp logo and branding materials
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Zegnat aaronpk wanted logos for building blogs: whether tools or specs
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gRegorLove https://github.com/indieweb/branding/blob/master/logos/hex-stickers/hex-stickers.png
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Zegnat “want to put stickers on things” (quoting out of context for comedic effect)
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2017/06/02/3/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Thinking it would be pretty fun to have a set of #indieweb hex stickers for all of the various building blocks. Who's up for the design challenge? https://aaronparecki.com/2017/06/02/3/photo.jpg
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aaronpk https://github.com/indieweb/branding/blob/master/logos/hex-stickers/hex-stickers.png
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Zegnat No iterations passed that image: aaronpk and shaners itterated back and forth between them
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Zegnat issues on logos are logged in the branding repo
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tantek issues: https://github.com/indieweb/branding/issues
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tantek +1 for stickers for specs, validators, tools etc.
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Zegnat for stickers of 7 different logos it would cost money to print, so needs a check on interest among the community
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petermolnar I'm not a sticker person but I once saw an image with a near transparent debian twist stuck on a thinkpad and it looked stunning
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ben_thatmustbeme indieweb-camp indieweb-random and indieweb-offtopic have been dropped
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Kongaloosh +1 I really like how how they're kind of like scout badges for IWC
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petermolnar so similarly designed ones sounds nice
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ben_thatmustbeme i had to actually drop them with chanserv
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme++ for chanserv wrangling
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 12 karma in this channel (239 overall)
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tantek +1 Kongaloosh for scout badges
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[chrisaldrich] the scout badge idea is interesting...
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Kongaloosh I think it would be cool if you could give them out at HWC for completing a thing
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jkphl_ i really like the ideas of the hex stickersC! however, i think they should share more of a common design so that people can easily associate them with each other.
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i never got mine :P
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[chrisaldrich] Stickers for webmention, micropub and posse are great to help get the word out about those particular ideas. Especially at non-indieweb specific conferences.
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ben_thatmustbeme actually add gear shapes to the edges
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Zegnat aaronpk agrees with jkphl_ that design needs to make the stickers have more in common
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tantek agrees with voxpelli
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petermolnar (I used to do pingbacks as well. But then I took a webmention in the knee)
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jkphl_ the logos themselves don't need to be too similar, but there should be something like a common base design around the logos (font / label, maybe background color etc.)
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Loqi Logo discussion ends
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sebsel (voxpelli wanted to know if the logo's on the stickers are going to use anywhere else, because if not, then there are plenty of other stickers to put on your laptop)
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gRegorLove petermolnar++
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[chrisaldrich] Use cases like this: http://boffosocko.com/#with+principles+from
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petermolnar jkphl_ I agree; there should be some minor, common theme
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Zegnat there is interest in logos for specs. but those logos need some adoption before stickers start to make sense (possibly)
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petermolnar either in typography or in colours
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Zegnat logos are good, them being badges is cool, but needs consistency
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Kongaloosh afk; brb
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Zegnat use cases would also include footers on websites (to show implementation), badges on GitHub READMEs, marks on hosted services
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voxpelli (and perhaps templates for incorporating into logos of specific libraries and such)
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ben_thatmustbeme i want one
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Zegnat did petermolnar stutter for everyone or just for me?
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aaronpk i don't think i heard petermolnar
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[chrisaldrich] Zegnat: everyone I suspect
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sknebel next topic?
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Zegnat would like to demand swag to be sent out
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petermolnar I only mentioned I've seen the micropub sticker in Brighton, probably from Jeremy
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sknebel (sorry, but watching you guys pass stickers around is boring)
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Zegnat submit motion for swag
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aaronpk next topic: Community Repos
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sknebel jkphl mute
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sknebel jkphl_ mute
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[chrisaldrich] See what happens when you pass out stickers!
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petermolnar lol
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tantek topic https://indieweb.org/2017/Leaders#Community_Repos
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tantek what belongs in the indieweb community repo vs others / individual repos?
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tantek parsers?
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tantek branding?
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petermolnar imo everything adapted by 1+ devs
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petermolnar reducing the bus factor is good
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tantek we moved a few projects from individuals (like wordpress plugins) to the indieweb repo
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jkphl_ so did you hear me now?
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[chrisaldrich] welcome back jkphl!
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sknebel jkphl_: yes
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jkphl_ sorry for that, thought i was still muted. but at least we know it works again. (jule just locked herself out of her apartment :/)
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petermolnar example: original webmentiontools repo
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[chrisaldrich] There's a "hit-by-a-bus" issue of product development....
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tantek jkphl_: oh no!
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jkphl_ tantek: unfortunately yes. she's just moving out of it ...
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Zegnat the ruby webmention repo is on indieweb, and made by aaronpk, but he is no longer using it himself. But people find it through the org and start using it
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petermolnar https://github.com/vrypan/webmention-tools
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Loqi [vrypan] webmention-tools: Tools for webmention.org
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Zegnat now he receives PRs and issues, but isn’t actually working on it anymore
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petermolnar [chrisaldrich] it's usually referred to as 'the bus factor'
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Zegnat For projects on the indieweb org we need a clear note when a project needs a new maintainer.
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petermolnar right, but that's not trivial with git
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[chrisaldrich] thanks petermolnar, I knew there was a specific phrase, but it wasn't coming to me...
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Zegnat (This is about the problem of a project becoming unmaintained while listed on the indieweb org.)
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petermolnar you can't point out a new maintainer if the repo is within a private tree
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petermolnar thus the need for community repos
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petermolnar so a new 'leader' could be elected if the previous steps down
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tantek voxpelli makes a good point, there should be multiple maintainers before it gets moved to the indieweb org
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[chrisaldrich] just the fact that there's a ruby project in the repo, for example, makes an explicit statement that speaks against plurality in some sense... new people may see it and make assumptions.
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petermolnar indeed fair point; essentially my opinion is the same: just have multiple maintainers or at least nominate a maintainer if you leave it behind _and_ if it's used by anyone other than you
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Zegnat voxpelli raising the issue of plurality. When should the indieweb org take ownership. Good for reference implementations (like php-mf), unneccessary for extra implementations (like nodejs parser)
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Zegnat only move into indieweb org when multiple maintainers would be there ? (sknebel?)
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sknebel community stuff should have multiple people allowed to merge (and ideally release)
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Zegnat namespaces on package listings are an overlapping issue
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Zegnat when does something go under e.g. mf/ and indieweb/. Not necessarily a problem, but another namespace thing.
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Zegnat should projects be moved out of the indieweb org?
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[chrisaldrich] Or create a secondary Indieweb related account and put them there?
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Zegnat especially when they do not meet the criteria for coming in anymore
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Zegnat some areas might not allow much plurality at all - like WP plugins - so maybe have a lower threshold on such projects for coming in?
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Zegnat (brought up by voxpelli)
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Zegnat * new criteria for moving in (and possibly moving out) repos to (and from) the indieweb org repo on GitHub
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Zegnat * have adaptable thresholds for projects that might need the extra nudge (and that do not allow much plurality anyway) like WP plugins
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Zegnat * aaronpk will look at his repos and possibly move things out. Put out a call to others to look at their repos to?
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sknebel write rules down and link from description
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ben_thatmustbeme you can do a description, but i don't think it can be that long
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sknebel that's why link from there
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sknebel to wiki or so
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Zegnat Section on indieweb.org for “community use of github” (proposed title)
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ben_thatmustbeme i've got 14:00 actually
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ben_thatmustbeme :P
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Zegnat 20:00
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schmarty :}
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aaronpk 15 minutes until RESUME
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2017-06-23 11:16am PDT (#6025)
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Zegnat 300 something MBs burned on the 1:40 hours conference with my current settings
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Zegnat Doable.
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Zegnat tantek: I am a big stuff person, ship me stuff! ;)
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Zegnat How does Vidyo choose what webcam to show? I am looking at voxpelli’s empty chair, instead of the room where talk is happening
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sknebel Zegnat: I think noise level? you can enable a grid view somehow
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Zegnat I can’t get the grid on anymore, hahaha
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Loqi nice
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[chrisaldrich] I think it pulls from the last person to talk/make noise (and who has a camera on--PDX doesn't have their camera on)
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Zegnat Oh they turned off? That’s one thing I can’t see.
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Zegnat I wonder if my bandwidth settings make me only get 1 view... Most of the time I just see PDX so that’s fine
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[chrisaldrich] PDX turned off the camera, but obviously still has their audio on.
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Zegnat Turning coffee break into dinner break :D just get notified of food being ready
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petermolnar hm. embedding images in base64 into archival copies - neat idea, unless the images are GIF and the result is a 44MB HTML o.O
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petermolnar also damn those who keep displaying galleries with images as background-image from css styling (of course I did that as well eons ago)
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ben_thatmustbeme Zegnat: https://github.com/Inklings-io/selfauth/issues/5
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Loqi [Zegnat] #5 Add CC0?
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ben_thatmustbeme closing that
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ben_thatmustbeme ok with you?
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Zegnat maintainers have reached agreement and licence info has been updated, so fine to close I would say
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sknebel Zegnat ben_thatmustbeme agreed, close
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ben_thatmustbeme sebsel: https://github.com/Inklings-io/selfauth/issues/7 i think this is all set
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Loqi [sebsel] #7 Do not ship with config.php
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Loqi RESUME
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ben_thatmustbeme everyone put something random on camera for when they come back :D
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sknebel !linkify LDN
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Zegnat PDX being late
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ben_thatmustbeme PDX isn't playing by their own rules
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petermolnar that is because Loqi is not a freaking large robot with machine guns to enforce RESUME
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Zegnat aaronpk should get on that already!
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sknebel can't we teach Loqi to shock aaronpk or something?
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Loqi can't we teach loqi to shock aaronpk
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sknebel (lightly)
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voxpelli oh, Internet of Things goes Pavlov?
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sknebel something like that. there was a kickstarter for that!
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ben_thatmustbeme gives loqi a a machine gun
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Loqi loves the a machine gun
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ben_thatmustbeme what could go wrong?
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Zegnat I will soon have to go get seconds if this keeps up!
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sknebel voxpelli: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3598412/Do-shocking-spending-habits-Wristband-use-electric-zaps-wearers-spending-money.html
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voxpelli sknebel: riiight, any crazy thought one gets already been realized by someone else on the web :P
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tantek topic: https://indieweb.org/2017/Leaders#HWC_Organizing
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schmarty 20 minutes until end of HWC Organizing is over
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2017-06-23 6:51pm GMT+0000 (#6027)
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[chrisaldrich] Perhpas a programmatic !tell from Loqi to update?
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sknebel [chrisaldrich]: looking into that already
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Want to bring back IWC NA Online?
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GWG Since the one in Europe has been doing well enough?
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[chrisaldrich] GWG: Definitely. At least once a month?
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tantek different problems with just one organizer vs multiple organizers
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tantek E.g. HWC Nürnberg is always organized by jkphl_ always at the same venue
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Yes.
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tantek and it is ok for regular / local attendees for it to be announced last minute sometimes
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david.shanske.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (-19) (view diff)
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tantek right now organizing happens on /hwc
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tantek Zegnat prefers TBA instead of TBD
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david.shanske.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+310) (view diff)
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tantek specifically *venue* TBA, the event itself is certain
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tantek gRegorLove agrees with "venue TBA"
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Added it to the wiki as TBA. We'll talk.
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Loqi end of HWC Organizing is over
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[chrisaldrich] tantek, you could use known.boffosocko.com ?
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[chrisaldrich] but it's still another account and POSSE set up...
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tantek Zegnat says just invite him to any HWC FB event and he'll add it
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[chrisaldrich] Or if we could create city-centric pages and some cities already have their own wiki pages. eg: /San_Francisco
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Zegnat sknebel want to replace gRegorLove and Zegnat with a bot. Automate all the stuff!
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GWG I'm sure they'd love to be replaced by bots.
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Kongaloosh I've got to go; I may tune in later.
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gRegorLove I'm technically a cyborg (pacemaker), so I don't mind being replaced by a robot :)
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schmarty o/ bye Kongaloosh !
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tantek Thanks for joining Kongaloosh !
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[chrisaldrich] later Kongaloosh
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Kongaloosh \o
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Zegnat thanks for listening in Kongaloosh!
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tantek definitely chime in with ways to help broadcast HWC Edmonton!
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GWG gRegorLove: Your technological and biological distinctiveness will be added to our own.
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Kongaloosh GWG++
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Loqi gwg has 13 karma in this channel (237 overall)
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tantek GWG, your resistance was apparently futile?
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gRegorLove /join #indieweb-nerds
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Kongaloosh Just my two cents: I only use the wiki to inform you guys about what's going on.
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Zegnat announced topics for HWC: sound great, especially when a following has grown (e.g. on meetup) but the first try in Berlin failed
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GWG Always in such things
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tantek https://indieweb.org/HWC#Regular_Meetings
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tantek Regular vs. Popup
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Zegnat regular when once a month is happening
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tantek for three months
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Zegnat become regular when once a month happens for three months
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tantek start as a popup, graduate to regular
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jkphl.is edited /events/2017-06-28-homebrew-website-club (+3) (view diff)
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Zegnat only go “on hiatus” when there is a date known after the hiatus
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Zegnat else it goes as “needs restarting”
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tantek On Hiatus should only be for regular meetings with a temporary on hold - known / announced restart date
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tantek Regular (with on hiatus temporary subset) includes weekly and monthly, Popups (formerly irregular), Getting Started or Need Restarting
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schmarty 20 minutes until end of Events Organizing
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2017-06-23 7:32pm GMT+0000 (#6028)
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tantek I agree with moving "Need Restarting" to the Up and coming
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tantek edits /hwc
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tantek 3 months as a transition time requirement for popup -> regular, and as a timeout from Getting Started to Needs Restarting
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[chrisaldrich] back in a moment -- connectivity issues with vidyo
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petermolnar someone summoned me by my name
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Zegnat moving on the events, from hwc
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Zegnat “Many of the most popular London tech meetups announce at least 2 weeks in advance” - calumryan in main channel
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Zegnat (didn’t catch that sooner)
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tantek Kongaloosh: have there been multiple HWC Edmonton?
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aaronpk http://calagator.org/
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Loqi Open Source Bridge 2017
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/Calagator#Using_Calagator_for_IndieWeb_Events
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gregorlove.com edited /Events (+0) "archive past June events" (view diff)
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/Upcoming.org#Using_Upcoming_for_IndieWeb_Events
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gRegorLove What ic calagator?
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gRegorLove What is calagator?
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Loqi Calagator is an event hosting silo and aggregator that supports importing events marked up with hCalendar https://indieweb.org/Calagator
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Loqi end of Events Organizing
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Zegnat hush Loqi
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aaronpk http://calagator.org/events/tag/indieweb
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club PDX
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schmarty has been working on an event posting micropub client
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schmarty https://slater.schmarty.net/
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gRegorLove What is EventBrite?
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Loqi Eventbrite is an event hosting silo that can be used for free and paid events https://indieweb.org/Eventbrite
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petermolnar I'm going to eject; sorry, everyone, but I'm getting way to tired to be productive
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sknebel petermolnar: yeah, it's tiring for the ears as heck
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sknebel was nice to see you!
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sknebel good night!
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Loqi ciao
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petermolnar to you all
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petermolnar as well
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Zegnat have a good one petermolnar, thanks for dropping in either way!
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flo__ good night!
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flo__ I have to leave, too
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sknebel flo__: good night, see you wednesday!
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flo__ All the best to you!
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flo__ Yeah
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[chrisaldrich] 'nite flo__
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tantek is *still* editing /hwc (almost done!)
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tantek.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+59) "re-organize and simplify per leaders summit discussion and notes in IRC" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] and GWG's HWC meets almost every day!
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Zegnat crazy regular!
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I will start taking group photos
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GWG Pictures of empty chairs
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Zegnat sebsel, when was the last HWC NL? We might have to move it down the list on /hwc
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sebsel I'm afraid we have to. No meeting since you left. :(
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Zegnat I always get empty chairs too :o We should coordinate and make sure we don’t cannibalise each others HWC, GWG
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tantek.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+40) "move Montreal and NYC to Needs restarting" (view diff)
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calumryan Happy to co-ordinate HWC London/Virtual HWC European time around 19:00 CEST provided there’s capability to stream
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Loqi calumryan: tantek left you a message on 2016-07-27 at 9:33pm UTC: did you have a chance to propose an IndieWeb session for MozFest? https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mozfest/2016
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Loqi calumryan: tantek left you a message on 2017-04-13 at 1:32am UTC: are you available the evening of Friday 2017-06-23 to remote participate in an IndieWeb Leaders Summit? Add a note accordingly: https://indieweb.org/2017/Schedule#Comments
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tantek organizers, could you review https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Meetings and see if your city has been properly categorized / listed?
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voxpelli looks good :+1
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Zegnat tantek: I put “reaching out to organisers” on my IWC todo list. Will probably just start emailing people listed as organisers to see how involved with the community they are
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tantek Zegnat, that's a good idea
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sebsel I would vote for HWC Netherlands as 'Needs restarting', because I really want that, but I haven't got to it.
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Zegnat s/IWC/IWS/
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tantek then we can determine whether things should get moved down from "Needs restarting" to "past" etc.
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Zegnat exactly
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sebsel o wait, there's a definition for it
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seblog.nl edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+0) "/* The Netherlands */ first met in 2016, not 2015" (view diff)
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sknebel sebsel got started on x-ray reading from facebook events, right?
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sebsel sknebel I did!
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Zegnat oh nice! That is just being discussed
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sebsel should finish that
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sebsel oh!
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sknebel I thought I saw some PR
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Zegnat teaching Loqi to add events by working on x-ray being able to parse external events without h-event markup
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sebsel well, there are a few details, but most of it is done
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sebsel bumps it on the todo-list
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sebsel is there still meeting?
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sknebel yes
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tantek https://indieweb.org/events/2017-06-28-homebrew-website-club looks pretty good now, compared with https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Regular_Meetings
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martymcgui.re uploaded /File:slater-screenshot-reassembled.png "screenshot of slater.schmarty.net"
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[chrisaldrich] Doing quarterly meetings can also mean they're shorter in time instead of 5 hour
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sknebel lots of snow? Kiruna in December?
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[chrisaldrich] Anyone have a preference for an IWC-LA time period after mid-August? It's warm here in the winter.
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[chrisaldrich] I'll be in Baltimore in January for a week and can get a location for then.
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[chrisaldrich] Might be snowy though.
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sknebel jkphl_: your camera feed is very horror-movie style ;)
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jkphl_ sknebel: please call the police should i suddenly disappear ;)
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[chrisaldrich] I'm thinking either October or Nove
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Zegnat sknebel, I am already in Sweden, and even I don’t feel like travelling up to Kiruna for IWC :p
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sebsel what is code of conduct?
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Loqi IndieWeb code of conduct tl;dr: Be respectful of other people, respectfully ask people to stop if you are bothered, and if you can't resolve an issue contact staff. If you are being a problem, it will be apparent and you'll be asked to leave https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct
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Kongaloosh tantek: yup
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Kongaloosh there were two
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Kongaloosh and I've got more interest in people organizing
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GWG [pfefferle]: indieweb-wordpress is going official.
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Kongaloosh did I join in just when the photo was being taken?
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[miklb] pfefferle do you get an email also about travis-ci failure?
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loqi.me edited /Slater (+57) "schmarty added "https://martymcgui.re/2017/06/06/135528/ Example event" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Zegnat [chrisaldrich] are you still in? sknebel and I want to go test mumble (for possible virtual HWC use)
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jkphl.is uploaded /File:indieweb-leader-summit-2017.jpg "Participants of the IndieWeb Leader Summit 2017"
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sebsel jkphl++
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Zegnat Darn, I didn’t make it on the screenshot :(
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sebsel so much for the used MBs
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ben_thatmustbeme https://github.com/Minds/minds/issues/44#issuecomment-310701471
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Loqi [markharding] Thanks! I'm guessing we might also run into issues because, right now, we have no server side rending.. so such scraping might be an issue. Are there no standards such as endpoints where we could return json? I think that would be a cleaner soluti...
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ben_thatmustbeme need to get a JF2 for items together
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Virtual_HWC (+14) "/* Notes */ update note on mumble browser client" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Planning (-77) "Move Malmö to 2018 after /2017/Leaders talk (ping voxpelli)" (view diff)
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[pfefferle] miklb https://plugins.svn.wordpress.org/wp-uf2/trunk/
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[pfefferle] nice it is working
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[miklb] pfefferle++
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[pfefferle] every tag is now automaticly synced with wp.org
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[pfefferle] https://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-uf2/
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[miklb] that can be done with the core indieweb plugin as well, yes?
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Loqi [IndieWeb WordPress Outreach Club] Description It is only a very basic implementation, because not every element is accessible through actions or filters. It is better to use a theme that supports Microformats 2 fully. FAQ What are Microformats 2? Microformats are a simple ...
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[pfefferle] sure
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[pfefferle] will add the changes there too
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[miklb] did the press this go through? Maybe tag a new IW plugin when add uf2 & the press this?
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[pfefferle] I generated an indieweb wordpress user for such deployments
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[pfefferle] aaronpk who is the admin of indieweb.org? is it possible to generate an email wordpress@indieweb.org that forwards to some indieweb wordpress people?
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[pfefferle] miklb not yet
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aaronpk [pfefferle]: sure I can do that
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aaronpk im assuming for using as a login for a plugin registry?
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[pfefferle] sure
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[pfefferle] aaronpk as a tooluser to autodeploy to WP.org
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[pfefferle] aaronpk do you know https://github.com/StackExchange/blackbox ? perhaps a good tool to save such users to GitHub?
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Loqi [StackExchange] blackbox: Safely store secrets in Git/Mercurial/Subversion
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[cleverdevil] Hmm... is there a tool out there that will pull all of my data off of Facebook and retroactively migrate it via Micropub to my site?
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[cleverdevil] I've set a personal goal to completely leave Facebook by the end of 2017.
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sebsel aaronpk now looking at Fb events in XRay, the part of 'where do we leave the venue'. Adding it to the refs is hard, because Facebook does not give it a URL :( https://seblog.nl/temp/media-endpoint/4db650-no-url-fb.jpg
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sebsel do I make up one?
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sknebel sebsel: does the venue *have* a url on facebook?
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sknebel as in, is there some mozilla-page linked?
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sebsel https://www.facebook.com/pages/Mozilla-PDX/332204056925945 <- from the web version
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sknebel or do you want a facebook-url for it?
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sknebel hm
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sebsel o lol, wait, i completely overlooked the ID
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sknebel ugh, they even have microdata markup on the page. with just the name and rating :/
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Zegnat that Id should atleast lead to the FB page for the venue, right?
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sebsel https://facebook.com/332204056925945 seems to work for Mozilla
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sebsel yeah and the other event I tried on works that way too
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Zegnat Is this Facebook API output? Can you query the Facebook API using that ID to get more venue info?
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sebsel No then I just get the name
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sebsel But this is my first (or second) dive in here. Not really familiar with this structure
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sebsel Their explorer complains about all access tokens I give :P
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sknebel does bridgy do anything with facebook events oyu could look at?
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sebsel Bridgy is in Python and I have no idea O:)
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sknebel oh, it's possibly in granary. https://granary-demo.appspot.com/
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sknebel (also python, but I can help with reading that)
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sknebel I just can't try facebook stuff without an account
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sknebel [cleverdevil]: not that I know of. but granary has at least some ability to get data out and convert it, which might be a starting point
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[cleverdevil] Ah, thanks @sknebel. I might just focus on getting my data out first, and then work on putting it back on my website later.
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Zegnat There is Facebook’s own back-up tool (which is ... interesting)
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sknebel [cleverdevil]: oh, the wiki already has some prior art: https://indieweb.org/facebook
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Zegnat And I don’t know if markmhendrickson’s project touches on Facebook or not
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sebsel sknebel I can't seem to get an event out of Granary, what did you use?
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sknebel sebsel: as I said, can't try it, but it has code for it. reading through it right now
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sebsel Granary only gives me this context of '/ facebook / me / @self / @app / ' and then an input field. The Fb API responds to /id for events, but just adding the ID of the event to Granary does not work
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sebsel but then again, I also can't get any posts out of it, so maybe I'm doing something wrong
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sknebel sebsel: not sure. anyway, from the source code it doesn't do anything more than converting what you already have in your screenshot, so not all that interesting
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sebsel ah okay
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sebsel Yeah, I got plenty of info now
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sebsel okay, one of my friends is already going to my test event :')
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[miklb] hmm. I didn’t realize that mediawiki didn’t treat /WordPress the same as /WordPress/
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Zegnat Yeah, extra slashes trip up
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Zegnat e.g. special redirect http://indieweb.org/2017/ to http://indieweb.org/2017
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tantek Kongaloosh: great! Start posting photos :)
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sebsel okay, I got XRay working with Fb events ánd a lot of friends attending my test event
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Zegnat What was the test event?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "test event" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat hopes HWC
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[miklb] think Im at a point I need a dedicated test install of WP for the community plugins ?
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Zegnat RSVPs yes to sebsel’s test event
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sknebel [miklb]: when you set one up, you should consider recording your screen. then you can easily grab screenshots or reference what you did for documentation afterwards, I found that quite useful in the past when having to document complex workflows
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[miklb] yes, I want to do small screencast .gifs for documentation at some point
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Kongaloosh tantek: I _do_ feel kind of weird taking photos of the group
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Kongaloosh right now it's a really casual meetup
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Kongaloosh I will eventually
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sknebel heh
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sebsel finds hisself in aaronpk's test data https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay/blob/master/tests/data/api.github.com/users_sebsel
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aaronparecki.com edited /2017/Schedule (+349) "/* Saturday */ add remote video links" (view diff)
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aaronpk haha
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Loqi aaronpk: lol
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[miklb] wasn’t around during summit, but I think I read mention that -wordpress was being bridged?
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aaronpk we agreed to, but not done yet
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[miklb] oh, no I wouldn’t have expected that it was already bridged
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[miklb] just confirming that it was agreed to.
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aaronparecki.com edited /2017/Schedule (+67) "/* Saturday */" (view diff)
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aaronpk test
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[aaronpk] test
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sebsel aaronpk I updated my PR with come commits adding tests and fixing stuff https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay/pull/39
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Loqi [sebsel] #39 add Facebook events
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sebsel But, it does fail those tests, see my comment
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sebsel I have to sleep, however, for it's 1:14 here :)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /Linked_Data_Notifications (+1) "linkify" (view diff)
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sknebel good bot
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