#dev 2017-06-26

2017-06-26 UTC
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tantek oh hey I got a webmention to my event from dougbeal
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tantek https://webmention.io/api/links.jf2?target=http://tantek.com/2017/179/e1/homebrew-website-club
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tantek no sign of RSVP
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tantek investigates
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tantek php-mf2 is finding the RSVP no: view-source:http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdougbeal.com%2F2017%2F06%2F25%2Fhomebrew-website-club-at-mozilla-sf-tantek%2F
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tantek rather: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdougbeal.com%2F2017%2F06%2F25%2Fhomebrew-website-club-at-mozilla-sf-tantek%2F
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tantek so looks like webmention.io doesn't support webmentions yet!
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tantek er, rsvp recognition yet
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[kevinmarks] hm
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[kevinmarks] I sent one
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[kevinmarks] http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/no-ill-be-in-yorkshire
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] No: I'll be in yorkshire
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vanderven.se martijn created /2017/Demos (+15379) "Add live notes!" (view diff)
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kylewm whoa, haha, comment from Dave on woodwind's issue tracker https://github.com/kylewm/woodwind/issues/7#issuecomment-310639443
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Loqi kylewm: cweiske left you a message on 2016-09-14 at 10:27am UTC: maybe you can add the micropub implementation status for silo.pub at https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Servers#Implementation_status?
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Loqi kylewm: aaronpk left you a message on 2016-11-06 at 11:50pm UTC: what does "no feeds found" mean in woodwind? is it not possible to subscribe to a feed URL itself? Is it assuming you're going to enter a home page or something?
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Loqi kylewm: aaronpk left you a message on 2016-11-07 at 12:07am UTC: nevermind that was my fault, didn't realize my page was returning HTTP 500
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Loqi kylewm: aaronpk left you a message on 2016-12-16 at 3:35pm UTC: is there any way you can upgrade your online mf2 parser to work with SNI? it fails on my URLs because I use SNI.
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message on 2017-01-12 at 6:24pm UTC: does Bridgy have its own blog or twitter handle (preferably both?)
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Loqi [scripting] You can do both by supporting the "include" nodetype in OPML. I wrote a howto for this for River5 users, but the same technique would apply to any feed reader that handled OPML includes (as River5 does). https://github.com/scripting/river5/blo...
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Loqi nice
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kylewm I wonder how I got on his radar
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+425) "I’m apparently the king of the microformat rel="me"" (view diff)
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kylewm GWG: haha, here's the code for adding Sentry https://github.com/kylewm/woodwind/commit/0d16b1ef8892278d86083e4b9f3ee63e4f704a84
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Loqi awesome
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kylewm they make it ... pretty easy
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[kevinmarks] I probably put you on Dave's radar by mentioning woodwind in response to his "indieweb shuns rss" post
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tantek [kevinmarks]: who you?
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tantek.com edited /event (+279) "moved from IndieWeb Itches to IndieWeb Examples! minimum viable events implemented and shipped!" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /2017/building-blocks (+7358) "Archive etherpad day 2" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /2017/indieweb-wordpress (+3220) "Archive etherpad, fix wiki syntax, linkify names, add category" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /2017/Schedule (-252) "/* Saturday */ Remove live links" (view diff)
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sebsel what is private post?
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Loqi private posts refer to posts or portions of posts which are private to either the author or to a limited audience chosen or previously approved by the author https://indieweb.org/private_post
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sebsel hm seems like visibility=private is the best way to go with micropub, for now
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sebsel I now have private=true but I don't like that
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sebsel visibility also alows for hidden/unlisted, so only on the permalink and not in the feeds
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Zegnat clever
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sebsel yeah I was thinking: is there any need for a post that is private but should not appear in the feeds if a user is logged in
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sebsel but I think that's a problem to solve when someone needs that
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Zegnat feeds=none, feeds=all, feeds=photos, maybe something like that instead?
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sebsel aaronpk has that
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sebsel he's calling it channels http://indieweb.org/p3k#Indexing_and_Caching
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sknebel I'm doing that with magic categories
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sknebel (that I currently don't bother to hide, which partially reverses the effect)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /discuss (+165) "/* Chat */ new channels!" (view diff)
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sebsel sknebel++
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Loqi sknebel has 12 karma in this channel (35 overall)
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seblog.nl edited /discuss (-422) "no more under consideration" (view diff)
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seblog.nl edited /discuss (+74) "/* Chat */ bold text and Slack channels" (view diff)
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[grantcodes] sebsel @Zegnat watch out for microsub
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sebsel what is microsub?
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Loqi Microsub is an early draft of a spec that provides a standardized way for clients to consume and interact with feeds collected by a server https://indieweb.org/microsub
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[grantcodes] It was discussed at IWS today but it not quite ready and a little hidden as such
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Zegnat I am not sure what I would use microsub for
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Zegnat So ... Microsub is basically what feed services are now? A place to connect readers to, making sure I can witch reader whenever?
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sebsel I am confused too. Was it 'watch out' like 'warning', because we talked about feeds and visibility?
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[grantcodes] Well honestly I didn't read all the way back but I saw channels and feeds and it is (as far as I understood) is aimed at following feeds and combing multiple feeds into "channels"
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sebsel ah okay!
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Zegnat Hmm, I might add a question to that spec for people to ponder about
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sebsel I think we were talking about something different, but thanks for the ping, because I was not aware it existed :)
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[grantcodes] Well of course aaronpk is the person to ask about it and I believe it is pre pre draft stage so not publicised much yet
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[grantcodes] Also re private posts at the moment I just use a category of private and make sure that never shows up anywhere. And that more or less works but it is a bit of a workaround
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Microsub-spec (+274) "/* Issues */ what about private posts in feeds?" (view diff)
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Zegnat Filed first issue on a basically nonexisted spec :p
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petermolnar in case google doesn't return any results for a filename saved from tumblr, how would one find the source of that image? I'm trying to backfill my 'favs', and this seems to be much trickier than I anticipated. (And I haven't even started deviantart, that's going to be brutal.)
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sknebel reverse image search? both google and tineye?
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Zegnat Good luck doing any sort of reverse image search to find a specific tumblr ... so I hope that isn’t what you are doing
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petermolnar well... that was the idea, even though I know how futile it may be
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petermolnar oh dear, things I should have saved as fav or bookmark... from 2005... I'm screwed finding the source of those.
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cweiske time for you to write the browser plugin that implements http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/exif-url.htm
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cweiske :)
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Loqi [Christian Weiske] Adding the source URL to an image's meta data
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petermolnar I've seen that and already mentioned how good the idea is
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cweiske I know. the plugin is still missing, though :/
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cweiske oh. it might actually be possible: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/JavaScript_code_modules/Downloads.jsm/DownloadSource
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cweiske has both url and referer, which is most likely the page that links to the image
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petermolnar may not work with https
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cweiske the problem will be modifying downloaded files, which I guess is hard to do from within firefox directly. also implementing all that exif stuff by hand is probably hard. running exiftool after a finished download would be the easiest, but firefox deprecated their process control API and rather follows chrome's idea of requiring registered applications with a certain json-binary-messaging interface
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vanderven.se martijn edited /2017/Demos (+645) "Rewrite first two demos, commit to this writing style!" (view diff)
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@WendyandCharles ReadersGazette: BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.thejugglingauthor.com/indieauth/ Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 26 (twitter.com/_/status/878974623764885505)
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ben_thatmustbeme sknebel: Zegnat, pushed some basic styling to selfauth just now
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ben_thatmustbeme also, thoughts on how to handle authorization as well?
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cweiske who is using selfauth?
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ben_thatmustbeme not one yet as far as i know
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ben_thatmustbeme wouldn't recommend it until it is reviewed by more people
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ben_thatmustbeme i think its security is "ok", nothing great
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cweiske looking at the code I wish that ifsetor() would be reality :/ https://wiki.php.net/rfc/ifsetor
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Zegnat I wish we could more easily do randomness and passwords without upping the requirement for PHP version
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cweiske all supported php versions have the pw api
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Zegnat cweiske, yes, but the idea of selfauth is to be a simple drop-in for anyone to deploy. That includes those tens of thousands of shared hosts running PHP 5.3
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cweiske http://php.net/supported-versions.php
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cweiske do you want to support a php version whose security fix support ended in 2014?
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ben_thatmustbeme yes
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ben_thatmustbeme Zegnat: i mean, it degrades gracefully
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ben_thatmustbeme it now prefers newer methods if available
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ben_thatmustbeme so i think it fine to just add info saying we recommend at least 5.6
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cweiske which hosters have php 5.3 currently? do you know some?
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Zegnat while true, ben_thatmustbeme, the really easy and straight-forward things like random_bytes() simply aren’t there
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ben_thatmustbeme Zegnat: we use random_bytes
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ben_thatmustbeme but only if available
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Zegnat Yes, but not just that one ;)
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Zegnat cweiske, all those hosts that people put their WordPress installations on: https://wordpress.org/about/stats/
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ben_thatmustbeme so the only difference is basically telling people using 5.3 that they can't use selfauth vs telling them that they shouldn't
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cweiske so 12% have 5.3
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cweiske I wonder who those hosts are
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ben_thatmustbeme >= 5.6 only accounts for 50%, ouch
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ben_thatmustbeme well a little over actually
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ben_thatmustbeme its also the case that many hosts support higher via multiphp, but the users haven't updated
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Zegnat My host has that. But I have never even had a recommendation from them to start switching :/
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ben_thatmustbeme me neither
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk, since you have gone through this, can you clarify?
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ben_thatmustbeme https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/1441#issuecomment-302969948
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Loqi [Gargron] >an Atom feed with activitystream data Just an Atom feed will do too, but it needs to contain a link to a Pubsubhubbub hub >webfinger support Yes. Link to Atom feed, link to profile, link to salmon, magic key >an XRD at .well-known/host-...
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cweiske.de edited /Loqi (+57) "/* Other */" (view diff)
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cweiske.de edited /Loqi (+19) "/* Other */" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme huh, weird
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ben_thatmustbeme quill -> splatter only took the first letter of the slug... testing again
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ben_thatmustbeme wait, you can't enter a slug
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ben_thatmustbeme oh there it is
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ben_thatmustbeme is it not sending slug: ["text"] ?
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ben_thatmustbeme but slug: "text" ?
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ben_thatmustbeme weird, it is
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk ^^
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sebsel might that have to do with mp-slug?
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sebsel ben_thatmustbeme see https://quill.p3k.io/settings and 'Backward compatibility"
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ben_thatmustbeme changed over to mp-slug
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ben_thatmustbeme its the same
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ben_thatmustbeme its not sending it as an array, but as a single item
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ben_thatmustbeme i'll code around it for now
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: i think i need to fix quill's JSON requests
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tantek.com edited /2017/Demos (+27) "/* Scott Jenson */ link to where the work went" (view diff)
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gRegorLove bringing conversation from -meta about micropub and /read posts
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www.boffosocko.com edited /blogroll (+360) "Chris Aldrich" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /2017/Demos (-196) "Removing stub and “work in progress” message. Have at it folks!" (view diff)
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[cleverdevil] Anyone familiar with mf2py?
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[cleverdevil] Curious if it can parse a site and then output JF2 formatted data for it.
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ben_thatmustbeme still need to make a JF2 object profile
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ben_thatmustbeme specifically for posts
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[cleverdevil] Ah, gotcha.
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, that had nothing to do with mf2py
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[cleverdevil] Oh!
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ben_thatmustbeme that was more just a thought
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ben_thatmustbeme i need to do that
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[cleverdevil] Gotcha ?
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ben_thatmustbeme i mean, translation from mf2 json equivalent to JF2 is supposed to be really straight forward
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gRegorLove mf2py doesn't do jf2 afaik (yet?)
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ben_thatmustbeme just trying to think of solutions for this https://github.com/Minds/minds/issues/44#issuecomment-310701471
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Loqi [markharding] Thanks! I'm guessing we might also run into issues because, right now, we have no server side rending.. so such scraping might be an issue. Are there no standards such as endpoints where we could return json? I think that would be a cleaner soluti...
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ben_thatmustbeme apparently snarfed and strugee were talking about things to do with activitypub / indieweb interop
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ben_thatmustbeme might end up being something similar
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[cleverdevil] nods
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[cleverdevil] For now, I'll just use the JSON format it outputs.
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[cleverdevil] Want to generate a sort of sample data cache of static on-disk data for tinkering on the /Reader I'm thinking about.
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gRegorLove What is Minds?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Minds" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove Minds is an open source social network service based in part on [[Elgg]] https://minds.com
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /Minds (+118) "prompted by gRegorLove and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Minds (+51) "link dfn, github" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Minds (+190) "mf2 github issue" (view diff)
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dougbeal indieweb.org issue - if you do a search from the root page, its actually doing a Go
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gRegorLove We tracked down/described the search issue more clearly: https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/40
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Loqi [gRegorLove] #40 Inconsistent/limited search results causing confusion
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gRegorLove dougbeal++ for catching that
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gregorlove.com edited /Planning (-79) "/* Planned */ IWS2017 a thing of the past. Berlin is next, let's get some more planned!" (view diff)
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gRegorLove sknebel++ nice, that was an easier fix than I thought, haha
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Loqi rofl
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dougbeal.com edited /Seattle (+0) "/* Seattle IndieWeb Members */" (view diff)
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sknebel reading through http://dev.opml.org/spec2.html there is a bunch of stuff which doesn't line up
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sknebel (and is different than e.g. an export from inoreader)
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sknebel not sure how picky importers are when it comes to the spec?
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sknebel (oh, ok, that's a spec for OPML 2, the one for 1 seems pretty unclear on details
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Zegnat I’d have to compare it with an OPML I know that works
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Zegnat The YouTube one has always worked for me on Feedbin
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sknebel the one I have from inoreader is opml 2 and matches the spec in the link above
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sknebel hte youtube one appears to to do as well
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sknebel (but declares version 1.1, whatever that is
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schmarty howdy from the air, folks!
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schmarty does anyone have a quick PHP lib for doing indieauth (the protocol) for authentication only?
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aaronpk ✈️
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schmarty ie - no need for tokens
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schmarty (this is for https://??.ws/)
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aaronpk this library has helpers for discovery and such https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php
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Loqi [indieweb] indieauth-client-php: Sample implementation and helper methods for an IndieAuth client.
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schmarty i think the simplest version of this is: 1. log in with your domain 2. see a dashboard with copy/paste HTML for next/previous links
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vanderven.se martijn edited /2017/Schedule (+24) "/* Friday Pre-Party */ Link to Preparty page" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] There's https://github.com/kevinmarks/unmung/blob/master/mf2tojf2.py but I haven't updated it to the most recent spec
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loqi.me edited /Micropub (+60) "[kevinmarks] added "http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/01/attentionxml.html" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Microsub (+60) "[kevinmarks] added "http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/01/attentionxml.html" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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kevinmarks.com edited /Micropub (-60) "Undo revision 38164 by [[Special:Contributions/Loqi.me|Loqi.me]] ([[User talk:Loqi.me|talk]])" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /2017/Leaders (+270) "/* Photos */ Add photos from Tantek" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] Microsub << http://web.archive.org/web/20051228094539/developers.technorati.com/wiki/attentionxml
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loqi.me edited /Microsub (+88) "[kevinmarks] added "http://web.archive.org/web/20051228094539/developers.technorati.com/wiki/attentionxml" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "http://web.archive.org/web/20051228094539/developers.technorati.com/wiki/attentionxml" to the "See Also" section of /Microsub
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vanderven.se martijn edited /2017/Schedule (+234) "/* evening activities */ Sorry, I have no context for these photos. But here you go!" (view diff)
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aaronpk oms i really need to throttle my salmention sending
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: quill's json should be fixed
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