#jjuranI still don’t understand the concepts, though. I know that HTML has certain containment rules (which were once enforced by a DTD), but I don’t know the semantics of microformats markup.
#sknebeljjuran: the basic idea is that the content of the object with the property class defines the value of a property
#sknebelthe prefix of the property name (p-, u-, dt-) determines from which attributes of the object the value is fetched from
#sknebeland if it is a nested microformat (p- property), then the tag has to be a microformat as well (that's why "p-author h-card")
#jjuranRight, but I don’t necessarily know the relationship of the properties to their containers, how those relationships interconnect (e.g. having p-author and h-card on the same element), and what’s part of mf2 vs. what the RSVP page is doing on its own.
#sknebelhm, we probably should have a simple description of the various property *types* somewhere.
#ZegnatNot sure. I was surprised there wasn’t one at IWS. I lead one in /2016/Brighton because I specifically noticed how there was non during /2016/Düsseldorf and people clearly had questions on hackday afterwards.
#ZegnatI am considering writing some ignite style 5 minute presentations for concepts like microformats, but not sure about recording them
#petermolnaris there an up-to-date, preferred way of marking up a blogroll? I'm digging through xfn, but that seems a little dated and I can't seem to find 'following' among the potential rel values
#sknebelpetermolnar: not that I know of. people have been talking about rel=following, but AFAIK the basis of that is just some brainstorming on the mf2 wiki
#sknebeluwsgi isn't great with error messages when it doesn't work. "just" wanted to deploy just another flask app, but I can't figure out why it doesn't work
#sknebelZegnat: it was one of the examples tantek complained about not working with webmention.io, so I had seen it on the weekend while filing webmention.io bugs
#sknebelwhich caused me to ask about it in the first place
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#aaronpkjjuran: were you in the intro session at IWS?
#aaronpki covered microformats at the beginning of the second day
#aaronpkit was a pretty off-the-cuff presentation, I didn't have slides prepared or anything
#aaronpkbut since there's video, you can watch it, and if you were there and were confused about anything i can try to clear that up in future sessions!
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#sebselaaronpk I was trying to spin up my own instance of Compass, but it seems like my new auth endpoint does not play well with it (also not on your instance). It is not requesting any scopes, but if I read the code correctly, it IS asking the token endpoint for an access token. Should I give out unscoped access tokens?
#ZegnatI made that same mistake apparently, else I would not have files the case sensitivity issue
#tantekZegnat, perhaps put a see also or other such reference from h-event to h-entry for p-rsvp so it's discoverable
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#ZegnatMight be good. I believe dinner is coming up so I can’t do the wiki gardening at the moment. If nobody beats me to it, I will attend to the gardening later tonight :)
#tanteknew issue - not even listing the webmentions, nevermind rsvp parsing / showing
#aaronpkand you've confirmed bridgy sent them? what does bridgy say in the logs?
#tantekthat's what I'm about to cite - bridgy saw the FB RSVPs and sent them along
#aaronpkyou should see a status URL from webmention.io in the bridgy logs, which should tell you whether webmention.io is still processing them or if something failed
#aaronpkbrowsers see 301/302 responses from a POST and then make a GET request to the new URL (what you'd expect from submitting a form)
#tantekso that senders / receivers know whose responsibility it is to handle what
#aaronpkso HTTP added 307/308 to mean "no really please re-send the POST to the new URL"
#aaronpkso we need two things clarified in the spec:
#aaronpk1) what should webmention senders do if they encounter *any* 3xx response from a webmention endpoint
#aaronpk2) what should webmention endpoints send if they want to redirect senders to a new webmention endpoint (like I need to do with my http -> https redirect)
#tantekaaronpk, agreed - sounds like two more issue to open on the Webmention spec itself
#tantekand then start documenting for each a. what is the theoretical "proper" behavior, b. what do implementations of each do now (and do they consider it a bug - cite a github issue)
#Loqi[aaronpk] #90 how should webmention servers redirect to a new URL
#tantekaaronpk, what would be more useful now, to leave my site "broken" in terms of receiving webmentions for so you can test changes/fixes to webmention.io, or to change my link rel to use the https webmention io?
#tantekok either way - more important to get this right in the services / specs than a few missed webmention on my site
#Loqi[sknebel] #80 JF2 API: rsvp property overwritten by URL
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#tantekall this investigating and revealing of issues of rsvps, webmentions, bridgy, webmention.io, invitations etc. is both good that we're uncovering all these challenges (and documenting, resolving incrementally), but also indicates to me that we have very little real world use of depending on indie events + RSVPs (since otherwise the issues would have been uncovered sooner)
#tantekor perhaps existing indie events support on people's sites is implemented in such a way that their sites are 1) directly handling webmentions themselves (not using a webmention receiving service), and 2) they are not depending on Bridgy backfeed RSVPs etc. from FB POSSE copies
#LoqiJeena: aaronpk left you a message on 2017-01-17 at 12:28am UTC: my parser is getting confused by your markup. is there a reason you have e-content on an element way outside where your actual text is? It's including your image alt text and such in the content this way. It would be much nicer if you had "e-content p-name" on the same element. see: https://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjeena.net%2Fphotos%2F265&pretty=true
#LoqiJeena: tantek left you a message on 2017-04-13 at 1:32am UTC: are you available the evening of Friday 2017-06-23 to remote participate in an IndieWeb Leaders Summit? Add a note accordingly: https://indieweb.org/2017/Schedule#Comments
#LoqiJeena: jeremycherfas left you a message on 2017-05-24 at 5:53pm UTC: something went wrong trying to put my reply in to your events page for the virtual HWC
#Jeenaisn't it wonderfull? you try to fix something for hours, then finally you have enough and go online to rant about it and the next thing yeu try after that makes it work
#Jeenatantek, I kind of disagree, lowering the bar to find it is more important than lowering the bar to publish
#sknebeltantek: Simple readme changes aren't *that* much more difficult – if you click edit it automatically makes a fork for you and allows you to create a PR, so doc changes aren't that much harder (it's of course gated by someone to actually merge it)