#dev 2017-07-12

2017-07-12 UTC
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Jetpack (+702) "JetPack Publicize for POSSE" (view diff)
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mblaney !tell voxpelli I found a windows computer to test firefox on and it still works, so the indie-config bug looks to be linux only. still need to test on a mac.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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herestomwiththeweather.com edited /User:Herestomwiththeweather.com (-2) "/* Indie web setup */" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com created /Tumblr_Crosspost (+782) "initial definition and links" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /u-syndication (-127) "Updated WordPress details" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /WebSub (+51) "updated WordPress section" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Indieweb_for_Education (+5) "John Johnston" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Net_Neutrality (+147) "prompted by Zegnat and dfn added by Zegnat" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Net_Neutrality (+343) "Document me joining the Battle for the Net’s Day of Action." (view diff)
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petermolnar hm. I've decided to create taxonomy indexes: pages, where all taxonomy is listed with all included posts (eg. all the tags, with all their posts), but I ended up with an 1.7MB HTML file for tags o.O https://petermolnar.net/tag/
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Loqi Peter Molnar
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cweiske I've tried to limit myself to a few tags only in my posts
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cweiske you have many tags that are used by 1 post only
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petermolnar I know
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petermolnar that is because I foolishly pulled the tags from the source for some bookmark entries
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petermolnar which I most probably need to clean up at some point :(
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petermolnar I'm getting rid of those
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cweiske I also thought about adding more tags to my posts, but only show them when 2 or more use it
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Zegnat cweiske, ooh, I like that!
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petermolnar sometimes 1 is valid, eg. with photos
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petermolnar I tend to post one photo of a specific thing
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petermolnar only 1.07MB now...
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petermolnar which is still a massive file
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petermolnar I finally found a useful use for <details><summary>... with this taxonomy index
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petermolnar what is NASG?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "NASG" yet. Would you like to create it?
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petermolnar NASG stands for "not another static generator!", a static generator written in Python3 powering the site of {{petermolnar}}
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petermolnar NASG is "not another static generator!", a static generator written in Python3 powering the site of {{petermolnar}}
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /NASG (+143) "prompted by petermolnar and dfn added by petermolnar" (view diff)
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cweiske petermolnar, I don't like your footnotes-instead-of-links approach
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cweiske it makes finding the link harder
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petermolnar true
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cweiske and in my feed reader it's completely broken
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petermolnar it also makes it possible to print
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cweiske (due to a bug in the feed reader)
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petermolnar I'm aware it's not friendly enough
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petermolnar I was wondering if I should add some minimal JS for a popup, wikipedia-like
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cweiske if I was you, i'd show footnote numbers in print-only css
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cweiske and show the footnotes in print only, too
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cweiske link-footnotes at least
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cweiske and have both normal links and footnote links
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cweiske that's something the site generator can do for you
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petermolnar Pandoc doesn't do that :(
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cweiske but you probably have a script that runs pandoc. can't you do that link list generation afterwards?
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cweiske also, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33900067/pandoc-filter-to-add-footnotes-to-links#42474192
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petermolnar I'm looking at that
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petermolnar that's not for markdown
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cweiske it's a pandoc filter
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cweiske so if you use pandoc you should be able to use it
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cweiske petermolnar, your search returns the same url multiple times: http://fotos.cweiske.de/screenshots/2017-07-12%20Auswahl_001.png
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petermolnar ugh
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petermolnar that needs looking at
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petermolnar thanks
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petermolnar I'm not going to change the footnote thing right now, I need to think that through
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petermolnar I've made it like this for various reasons, and just one of them is printing, so I need to rethink it
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petermolnar probably the best method would be to include the url in the footnote as real user for the [^] reference, but that's not supported by pandoc
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petermolnar cweiske the footnotes indeed break in tt-rss :/
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petermolnar that's not how it's supposed to be
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petermolnar.net edited /PESOS (-299) "/* Advantages */" (view diff)
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petermolnar.net edited /PESOS (+29) "/* {{petermolnar}} */" (view diff)
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sknebel Just posting an (automatically generated) screenshot of e.g. the mobile layout of a post for twitter-image-POSSE might be interesting as well
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tantek.com moved /Net_Neutrality to /net_neutrality "ideas are general concepts, lowercase"
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loqi.me created /Battle_for_the_Net (+213) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /net_neutrality (+42) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /Battle_for_the_Net (+1) "linkify ('… is <url>' pattern)" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /one_day_banner (+168) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Add example" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /indieweb_network (+71) "/* Larger or multi-user software */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /one_day_banner (+55) "another example" (view diff)
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dgold is stumped
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dgold I've written a chunk of a php micropub endpoint
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dgold and, in testing, it all works fine when there's no syndication options chosen, or if a syndication to mastodon is called for
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dgold but as soon as I select a syndication to twitter (using codebird.php) the entire script breaks, and it breaks at points in the script which are _before_ the call to Codebird
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /indieweb_network (-21) "/* Larger or multi-user software */" (view diff)
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tantek what is X-Content-Type-Options
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "X-Content-Type-Options" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is X-Frame-Options
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Loqi X-Frame-Options is an optional HTTP header that informs the browser what the server's policy is for displaying content in frames https://indieweb.org/X-Frame-Options
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tantek what is X-XSS-Protection
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "X-XSS-Protection" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is Observatory
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Observatory" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek Observatory is https://observatory.mozilla.org/ a site for scanning and checking your personal site for support of various [[security]] and server configuration options including [[HTTPS]], [[X-Content-Type-Options]], [[X-Frame-Options]], [[X-XSS-Protection]].
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /Observatory (+287) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek snarfed this seems wrong: <activity:object-type>http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/</activity:object-type>
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snarfed ok!
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tantek as well as <activity:verb>http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/</activity:verb>
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snarfed thx
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snarfed fortunately not much consumes AS1 in Atom
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tantek I thought GNUstatus did
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tantek as Statusnet before it
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snarfed from themselves, yes. less from the wider web outside of them. just experiments so far afaik, many (most) from us
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tantek TBH Statusnet consuming support of AS1/Atom was the key motivator for me to add it
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tantek so folks on there (e.g. Evan Prodromou) could get my notes/articles posts directly by "following" my site from Statusnet instead of getting the abbreviated / downlevel copy via Twitter
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tantek the code works so I just left it in
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tantek I may decide at some point it is not worth maintaining
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singpolyma tantek: that's still how I follow you ;)
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singpolyma Oh, I guess not the AS1 specifically. Just the Atom :)
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tantek singpolyma - yeah? does whatever you use do anything different with articles vs notes?
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tantek singpolyma: that's why I went with AS1/Atom instead of AS1/JSON
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tantek because with AS1/Atom I support more use-cases simultaneously - old style "RSS" readers, and as well as newer AS1/Atom+PuSH consumers
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singpolyma No, I don't use "article" vs "note" though I do have heuristics for "dumb" titles (such as ones that dupe the body content)
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tantek singpolyma: such "dumbness" is an inevitable consequence of various unnamed formats making <title> *required*, and/or various "readers" failing badly when there is no <title>
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singpolyma yeah, I know
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barryfrost.com edited /Progressive_Web_App (+59) "/* See Also */ Adding "How to turn your website into a PWA" article" (view diff)
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[miklb] hmm. attempting to login to Quill on iOS it doesn’t redirect back after successful auth @ indieauth
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gRegorLove What is cancel?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "cancel" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove What is cancelled?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "cancelled" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek gRegorLove: context?
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gRegorLove cancelled events
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tantek hmm I've seen FB notifications of such
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tantek even some displays in streams
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tantek maybe document it specifically for events rather than just the general term?
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gRegorLove Yeah, I cancelled HWC Bellingham tonight, on FB and manually on my indie event and Upcoming
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tantek speaking of events, something I heard this weekend from more than one friend was that their preferred way to get invites to events was via structured email invitations - the kind that prompt them to click yes/no and add to their calendar (e.g. Gmail -> Google Calendar, or iOS mail -> Calendar app)
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tantek is anyone POSSEing /invitation posts to email ?
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tantek because of course then the real trick is somehow backfeeding the RSVPs from such posts back to your indie event!
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sebboh I'm forced to use Outlook at work. it's great for calendar invites. People can "send me an invite", even external people (who probably also use outlook) and it 'just works', as far as I know.
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sebboh I'll send myself an invite and see what file it attaches.. I think it's ics.
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tantek that sounds right. an ICS with invitation fields
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tantek I wonder if that's how email RSVPs work too - an email with an ICS attachment that has RSVP fields
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sebboh hm, actually.. what I get is, a multi-part MIME email of course, there's a text part, and an HTML part, and then this: "Content-Type: text/calendar; charset="utf-8"; method=REQUEST"
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sebboh with a base64 payload, just a moment on that..
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sebboh file(1) says: "vCalendar calendar file".
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tantek yes text/calendar is ICS
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sebboh ooh what I should really check is the RSVP content. from both Outlook and Gmail. It's worth noting that both of those are weird server-side client-side hybrids.
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sebboh We have some conference rooms that need to be reserved, and we can do that via the calendar invite paradigm, by inviting a special user that represents a room to the meeting. Somewhere, a bot receives that invite and automatically accepts (or denys if the room is occupied at that time according to its own internal calendar).
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aaronpk didn't gmail make some sort of fancy markup thingy for this?
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aaronpk this: https://developers.google.com/gmail/markup/actions/actions-overview#rsvp_action
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aaronpk i thought it also worked with .ics stuff since it works between outlook and gmail
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sebboh Is schema.org good people?
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aaronpk it seems to be the way google wants you to do things right now, tho based on their history, i suspect that will change again in another couple years
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gRegorLove gCal invites were really popular in my social circles in the late 2000s. gCal is still my primary calendar so it's still the easiest invite system for me, but I get a lot fewer these days.
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aaronpk aha, that's what I thought... there is a URL in the invitation that clients are supposed to send the response to
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tantek schema org is Google's effort to subvert all the previous open formats work done by IETF, W3C, microformats.org etc.
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tantek so in short no, no good
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tantek use vCard / h-card instead of schema person
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tantek use iCalendar / h-event instead of scheme event
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tantek etc.
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sebboh ah, glad I asked.
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sknebel ben_thatmustbeme Zegnat: recruited another selfauth user - sgreger just set it up during HWC (might just steal pieces to wordpressify tho in the long run)
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Zegnat sknebel awesome!
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Zegnat Have him report back with any little bug he runs into :D
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ben_thatmustbeme nice
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aaronpk i added a link to it on indieauth.com today btw
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aaronpk after you sign in on the test form it shows a couple next steps, and that's one of the recommended things
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aaronpk i removed indiecert.net since it's offline now
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sknebel Nice
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ben_thatmustbeme sweet. thanks aaronpk
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Zegnat Ben, can we get some sort of “upstream” label on the `me` issue? Looks like I can’t create new labels and nothing seems to fit. Want to make clear that it is an issue that is waiting for external things before we get to it
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, "upstream" doesn't sound right either
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ben_thatmustbeme "external Issue" ?
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Zegnat “waiting for spec”? :P Yeah, I was talking with sebsel about the exact label and we couldn’t really come up with something that fit
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aaronpk I usually used "blocked"
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ben_thatmustbeme "Waiting on external issue"
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ben_thatmustbeme "blocked" would work i thin
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ben_thatmustbeme k
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Zegnat blocked was one of the ones sebsel brought up, yeah. Fine with it. I personally thought it might not make clear that it is blocked by an external issue. Maybe that doesn’t matter.
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Zegnat That leaves us with only 1 non-blocked open issue and some documentation work left ?
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loqi.me created /WP_Super_Cache (+183) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by [miklb]" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /landing_page (+52) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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sknebel Zegnat: is that extension the one you have on github?
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Zegnat The one I am running locally has more WebExt stuff in it. Like experimentation for badges on the extension button for showing when rel-me is on the page. That sort of stuff.
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Zegnat That’s not in the repo.
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Zegnat But that is the basic version, yes
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gregorlove.com edited /WP_Super_Cache (+77) "link dfn, cat" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com moved /CDN to /Content_delivery_network "canonical"
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www.boffosocko.com edited /IndieWeb_Press_This (+1098) "usage; link to official repo; section on development; see also; added categories" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /User:Martymcgui.re () "(-710) /* Personal Site - martymcgui.re */ consider checkins done for now. collapse "working on" into "itches"" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com created /Tumblr_Crosspostr (+931) "pagelogo; Category: WordPress plugins; spelling of official plugin" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Bridgy (+81) "pagelogo; WordPress with Bridgy" (view diff)
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kongaloosh.com edited /Events (-120) "/* July */" (view diff)
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