#dev 2017-07-22

2017-07-22 UTC
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loqi.me edited /monoculture (+82) "[kevinmarks] added "https://medium.com/@VitalikButerin/the-meaning-of-decentralization-a0c92b76a274" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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mblaney my reader does the same as monocle. if a u-photo is found in e-content, it gets skipped.
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mblaney once all the u-photo's have been checked for duplicates, if there's more than one I put them in a lightbox.
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mblaney I haven't added the UI yet to create photo posts myself (I would like to though), but I'm still adding u-photo to images in my post for brid.gy.
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mblaney I actually check to see if I'm POSSE'ing via brid.gy, and only add u-photo in that case.
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vanderven.se martijn edited /IndieAuth (+1527) "Add argument for adding authorization endpoint declaration to the how-to." (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /IndieAuth (-125) "Updating definition and #Why to start clearing some confusion. Add a clear note about the naming issue right after the description of IndieAuth." (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /User:Vanderven.se_martijn/IndieAuth (+182) "I think this captures Micropub for WordPress correctly?" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas Zegnat: Notify halts at this line $result = $client->sendWebmention($pagedata['permalink'], $link['url']);
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jeremycherfas I’m wondering, could it be failing to find sendWebmention, which is in MentionClient, which is under /classes
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jeremycherfas I don’t think so, because it includes this:
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jeremycherfas require_once __DIR__ . '/../classes/MentionClient.php';
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sebsel jeremycherfas is there a (github?) URL to the code? :)
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jeremycherfas Yes. https://github.com/Perlkonig/grav-plugin-webmention
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Loqi [Perlkonig] grav-plugin-webmention: Implements the Webmention protocol (with the Vouch extension) for the Grav CMS
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jeremycherfas I see that in the code for mentionclient.php, aaron says “If you want to collect debugging information so you can see the steps the library is doing, run IndieWeb\MentionClient::enableDebug(); before calling any other function.
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jeremycherfas Where would I put that? Near the top of Notify?
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sebsel yeah, after the include.
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Zegnat It shouldn’t *not* find that function, jeremycherfas
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Zegnat That function (sendWebmention) basically does a POST request (see https://github.com/Perlkonig/grav-plugin-webmention/blob/master/classes/MentionClient.php#L389-L408)
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Zegnat So that would sound like some sort of cURL problem
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jeremycherfas Sebsel: “MentionClient::enableDebug();“ gives a fatal error.
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Zegnat What is the exact wording of the error?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "exact wording of the error" yet. Would you like to create it?
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jeremycherfas Class 'Grav\Plugin\Console\MentionClient' not found in /Applications/MAMP/htdocs/grav-admin/user/plugins/webmention/cli/NotifyCommand.php on line 14
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sebsel It should be `\IndieWeb\MentionClient::enableDebug();` because of namespacing, I think?
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sebsel like here https://github.com/Perlkonig/grav-plugin-webmention/blob/8033ed32c2b98b699a60d5403b22d0edd38b3c17/webmention.php#L672
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Zegnat Yes, sebsel is right.
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jeremycherfas OK, trying that
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, class names work a bit like URLs. If it doesn’t start with a \ they are treated as relative to the current namespace.
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jeremycherfas OK, that’s helpful. Now see a message from MentionClient “Sending mention now!” and then it hangs!
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sebsel https://github.com/indieweb/mention-client-php/blob/bc45c6051ae9aa5e0905389ad9c863d738be7b03/src/IndieWeb/MentionClient.php#L270 that would be here
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jeremycherfas But that’s in the public static functioon sendwebmentiontoendpoint
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jeremycherfas Which is not what Notify is calling, I don’t think.
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Zegnat You can go to the _post functino, jeremycherfas: https://github.com/indieweb/mention-client-php/blob/bc45c6051ae9aa5e0905389ad9c863d738be7b03/src/IndieWeb/MentionClient.php#L492 and add some more self::_debug('message') in there
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jeremycherfas You mean add my own mnessage?
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sebsel Then you know more precisely where it stops :)
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jeremycherfas Now, interesting. The version of MentionClient that he is using in the Plugin is not the same as the version on Github.
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Zegnat Oh, yeah, sorry about that, I should have been linking to the one nested in the plugin
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sebsel Ah! No that was me, switching to IndieWeb's repo
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Zegnat Yeah, that’s a dangerous thing to do when it comes to the grav plugin ;)
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sebsel Does it break when you update the MentionClient? :P
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jeremycherfas It’s already broken!
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sebsel Break it back!
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jeremycherfas Eeek.
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Zegnat jeremycherfas: the Notify script calls sendWebmention() which calls sendWebmentionToEndpoint() which calls _post().
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Zegnat If you get the “Sending webmention now!” debug message after enabling debug in MentionClient, that means you reach sendWebmentionToEndpoint() right before its _post() call.
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jeremycherfas And I reach the Post call successfully.
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Zegnat So if that is where it hangs, you might want to add some extra debug messages inside _post() and see if you can further find out when it hangs
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Zegnat Could you add this as the first line of the _post method in the client?
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Zegnat self::_debug("Sending a POST to $url with the following data: " . print_r(['body'=>$body,'headers'=>$headers], true));
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Zegnat That should give the exact data that is being used to build the request
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Zegnat (I say should because I can’t test it, but the code *looks* right)
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jeremycherfas How do I do a blob?
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Zegnat “do a blob”?
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jeremycherfas It is failing right before line 400 of the plugin’s mentionclient “ $response = curl_exec($ch);”
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jeremycherfas In github, like you were just doing
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sebsel You compared phpinfo(), right? Is curl on there?
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Zegnat Oh, you can select any line on GitHub by clicking the line number. That will link to the specific line. If you want to do a multiline select, click on the first line and hold shift to click on the last line of your select.
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jeremycherfas Yes, curl is in there.
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jeremycherfas And I can curl fine between local files
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jeremycherfas It never reaches this point https://github.com/Perlkonig/grav-plugin-webmention/blob/master/classes/MentionClient.php#L401
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sebsel Ah, yeah, you wouldn't make it to curl_exec() if it wan't indeed :(
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sebsel Try Zegnat's code, so you know what the input is
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jeremycherfas Result here https://gist.github.com/jeremycherfas/a58ba0d8b109193773caf1c2091b6fe0
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Zegnat That seems completely fine :/ Assuming that URL is indeed where the Known endpoint is at
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sebsel And even if it isn't, it shouldn't hang, right?
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Zegnat Unless it isnt hanging but just trying to establish a connection ad infinitum
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Zegnat Do you see all those curl_setopt function right above our chokepoint, jeremycherfas? Could you add these two to the list:
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Zegnat curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_CONNECTTIMEOUT, 5);
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Zegnat curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_TIMEOUT, 10);
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Zegnat See what happens if you run it with that?
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Zegnat Basically we are telling cURL to time out connection if it can’t establish it in 5 seconds, and to stop running completely if it is still working after 10 seconds.
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Zegnat This is waaay too short for real use, but it might force the script to stop hanging.
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sebsel Yeah, I once had a problem when mentioning myself... The code got executed on first page-view, but since the endpoint does a GET on the source page, that first-page-view code got triggered again. The problems of sync webmention handling
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sebsel (not saying that's the problem here)
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Zegnat These are two separate CMS sebsel, Grav trying to mention Known
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sebsel Oh!
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sebsel I see now
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Zegnat munches away on his potatosalad-swedish-meatball sandwich in the meantime
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jeremycherfas Goota have lunch. BRB
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jeremycherfas is back, but doesn’t have long.
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jeremycherfas Wow! Those two additional options seem to have kicked things right along.
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Zegnat That’s … not really good news :(
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Zegnat If setting short timeouts fixes things it still means cURL is timing out trying to reach the webmention endpoint
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jeremycherfas I don’t get that. Would it help to see the results I get back?
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jeremycherfas self::_debug($response); now at least shows that $response is set.
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Zegnat What’s the response?
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Zegnat I can’t recall how to dump the entire cURL from PHP off the top of my head. (There is an option for that, I believe, that gives basically the output -v does on the command line where it will show the exact request cURL makes and the exact response.)
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jeremycherfas Here’s one from a webnmention sent to indieweb.org https://gist.github.com/jeremycherfas/310b5c7be037f0980ffeecd02327084d
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jeremycherfas This is the output of that debug comand ^^^
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Zegnat Yep, so that one happened completely correct
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Zegnat Probably because webmention.io responded within our very short timeout
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Zegnat The real question is, what happened to the one the process hung on before
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jeremycherfas OK, but it was hanging on the very first one before, and I believe that went through. Just scrolling back through Terminal to find it.
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jeremycherfas Unfortunately, I have to stop for today. But I have learned a bit more about debugging, for which I thank you both, zegnat and sebsel.
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Zegnat No problem jeremycherfas :) Do note that you probably don’t want to keep those TIMEOUT settings in if you want to take code live though
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Zegnat Have a good Saturday :)
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sebsel :)
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jeremycherfas Thanks zegnat. But that’s the biggest mystery of all, that it works live WITHOUT those options. I am trying to get it to work properly locally. That’s what this is all about!
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jeremycherfas So that I can then tinker with using XRay insted of mf2-php
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Zegnat Yeah, we would need to figure out which cURL call was hanging and then see why to solve the core issue.
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Zegnat But this’ll get you going :d
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jeremycherfas Yup. On the other hand, as my eventual goal is to work with XRay, I’m tempted to go back to the version aaron helped me with ihn Nurnberg and debug that properly.
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Zegnat Have there been any updates since Nürnberg other than the discoverability fix I filed a PR for?
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jeremycherfas None that I know of
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Zegnat Then you can just look at the last few commits on GitHub and copy any potential fixes into your old Nürnberg work. Shouldn’t be hard :)
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Zegnat aaronpk, I just went on a bit of a search. And JWT with pub/priv key seems to be trivial with PHP JWT libraries, so that’s good.
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aaronpk niice
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Zegnat Might have a proof of concept tomorrow. Pending what ever comes up this weekend. Will let you know
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aaronpk Zegnat++
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Loqi zegnat has 22 karma in this channel (120 overall)
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@wpmudev What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/?p=166420 #wpmudev (twitter.com/_/status/888823466106998784)
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@wpsheeteditor wpmudev: What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/?p=166420 #wpmudev (twitter.com/_/status/888823517181075456)
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@muc_webdesigner What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/?p=166420 #wpmudev (twitter.com/_/status/888824814898745344)
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loqi.me created /Messages (+21) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+0) "nexthwc" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Messages-iOS10.3.3-iPhoneSE-podcast-link-preview.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:Messages-iOS10.3.3-iPhoneSE-podcast-link-preview.png"
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tantek schmarty: did you upload those from the phone? or did you move the PNGs to your laptop and upload from there?
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schmarty i just hopped on my laptop
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martymcgui.re edited /iMessage (+401) "add podcast link preview" (view diff)
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schmarty i have to run but i wanted to add that at least to the /iMessage page for now.
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tantek thank you!
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loqi.me edited /tinbox (+107) "tantek added "Update tantek/contact add to homescreen script for iOS10 from https://github.com/cubiq/add-to-homescreen" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /iMessage (+637) "iPod touch version with play button and inline playability" (view diff)
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prtksxna Is someone running a REST API to get indieweb (and/or opengraph) information about a given URL?
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sknebel what's "indieweb information"? there are APIs for the microformat parsers, and x-ray does a bunch of stuff on top of that (authorship, post type, ...)
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prtksxna sknebel: mf2 parsing and post type discovery, yeah.
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prtksxna what is xray?
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Loqi XRay is an open source API that returns structured data for a URL by parsing microformats and following other indieweb algorithms, and is part of the p3k suite of applications https://indieweb.org/XRay
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prtksxna Thanks sknebel!
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prtksxna I think what I am looking for is a service that'll take a URL, try to parse mf2/do post type discovery, if that fails, look at open graph data if present, and if that fails fallback to scraping. And return this information in a somewhat consistent manner.
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KartikPrabhu i made a link-aware progressive disclosure script: if someone links to a fragment/fragmention inside a toggle-able hidden thing, it reveals the hidden content, compare https://kartikprabhu.com/papers to https://kartikprabhu.com/papers#coframes%20at%20fixed%20connection
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prtksxna That is so neat KartikPrabhu!
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KartikPrabhu thanks
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KartikPrabhu will have to write it up and put script on github or something
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tantek.com edited /federation (+62) "note federation should not require setting up / creating accounts in both places" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /federation (+1872) "expand dfn with a few more specifics, add social media section, add XMPP and email to history" (view diff)
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tantek !tell aaronpk question about the federation support demonstrated by https://aaronparecki.com/2017/07/19/24/webmention-io - when you're looking at that post yourself when signed-into your site, do you have/see "Reply" or "Like" buttons yourself on the comments? And if you reply right there, do they get threaded with the original comment on micro.blog?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] The https://webmention.io dashboard just got a whole lot more useful! You can now see the last few dozen webmentions you've received, and delete them if you want! This is the first step towards a "block" feature in webmention.io: https://indieweb.org... https://aaronparecki.com/2017/07/19/24/photo.png
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tantek (basically I'm wondering if how hard/easy it is for you to reply/back forth with someone who is on micro.blog, without either of you having to do anything "special")
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snarfed aaronpk granary twitter block lists now include username and id
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