#dev 2017-07-23

2017-07-23 UTC
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tantek snarfed++ awesome!
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tantek interesting - I think my RSVP embed has uncovered a float bug in webkit/blink (vs Firefox/Gecko which gets it right)
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tantek compare http://tantek.dev/2017/207/e1/homebrew-website-club in Safari/Chrome vs Firefox
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tantek FF wraps the floats correctly, the others do not
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tantek.com edited /wall (+1094) "more brainstorming, including some markup thinking" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /wall (+555) "Bridgy support / link" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /wall (+45) "/* Bridgy support */ link" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /SEO (+746) "Nicen-up the Powazek links" (view diff)
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@desparoz @Blot__ Enjoying Blot, & considering seriously about its role in my blogging setup. Is there current/planned support for webmentions? (twitter.com/_/status/889091639490125824)
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snarfed hey aaronpk does wm.io support deleting wms with 410? (can't find 410 or 'delet' on https://webmention.io/ or https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io#readme )
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snarfed btw i figured out one subconscious reason i'm uncomfortable with making bridgy resend all past wms from newly blocked users
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snarfed it adds a UX promise that it will keep all past wms. no user-visible bridgy behavior has promised that so far, implicitly or otherwise, and i'm not sure i want to guarantee it
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snarfed (if i do start garbage collecting past wms, i could just resend the ones i have, but then i'd only resend *some* old wms, which is an unpleasant surprise UX)
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snarfed full writeup in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/762
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Loqi [snarfed] #762 resend all past webmentions from newly blocked users
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@Blot__ @desparoz Hello Des, webmentions are not supported and not currently planned. I will add some kind of comment featu… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/889155502260748289 (twitter.com/_/status/889155502260748289)
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@movenergy2 What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPressCommenting on blog posts and other website... http://movenergy.net/what-the-new-webmention-and-annotation-w3c-standards-mean-for-wordpress/ (twitter.com/_/status/889168407983046656)
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@superxteam Implementing Webmentions - http://www.superxteam.com/blog/implementing-webmentions-69/ (twitter.com/_/status/889175297354067968)
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@kevinmarks @desparoz @Blot__ You might be able to use http://webmention.herokuapp.com for webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/889180618898235396)
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@movenergy2 What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress http://movenergy.net/what-the-new-webmention-and-annotation-w3c-standards-mean-for-wordpress/ https://twitter.com/movenergy2/status/889187459535425537/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/889187459535425537)
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[miklb] snarfed should I open an issue with Quill also/instead of the WP micropub plugin?
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@ProgrammingWrld Implementing Webmentions | CSS-Tricks http://fksd.autofollow.fr/programmingwrld/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcss-tricks.com%2Fimplementing-webmentions%2F https://twitter.com/ProgrammingWrld/status/889210422712258560/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/889210422712258560)
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@ProgrammingWrld Implementing Webmentions | CSS-Tricks http://fksd.autofollow.fr/programmingwrld/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcss-tricks.com%2Fimplementing-webmentions%2F https://twitter.com/ProgrammingWrld/status/889215115593207808/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/889215115593207808)
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[grantcodes] Hopefully this is an ok place for a microformats debugging question.
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sknebel sure
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[grantcodes] So my notes always seem to get picked up as having a name property and it usually includes the entire text of the h-entry
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[grantcodes] see https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgrant.codes%2F2017%2F06%2F30%2F5956c77bdb79e60d58d020f6
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[grantcodes] I read http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#p-name_of_a_note but didn't fully understand it
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] h-entry is a simple, open format for episodic or datestamped content on the web. h-entry is often used with content intended to be syndicated, e.g. blog posts. h-entry is one of several open microformat standards suitable for embedding data in HTML/H...
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[grantcodes] I should include a p-name in my html?
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Zegnat You are better off just always including p-name somewhere, yes
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Loqi definitely
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Zegnat A lot of use do p-name on the same element as e-content
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Zegnat What you are seeing is the fact that name is an implied property: everything has to have a name. The mf2 spec defines how to find one when it is not defined: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parsing_for_implied_properties
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] microformats2 parsing specification
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[grantcodes] Yeah, thats what I thought, just seems a little strange
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Zegnat By not defining it yourself, and not having some very specific mark-up, parsers default to: “else use the textContent of the .h-x for name”
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Zegnat That often ends up including footers and metadata and what not. At least in the case of h-entry.
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[grantcodes] Ok so the solution would be add p-name to the note content only if there is not an actual title
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sknebel yes
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Zegnat Yep, that’s what I do
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[grantcodes] Cool thanks ?
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Zegnat The parsing algo makes sense for small objects. E.g. implying name and URL from a single-element h-card: https://php.microformats.io/?id=20170723214459398
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Zegnat It makes a little less sense for h-entry
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Zegnat Hope that clears everything up :D
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[grantcodes] Fixed! Thanks!
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@JavaScriptKicks Implementing Webmentions by drewm https://javascriptkicks.com/r/159964?url=https%3A%2F%2Fallinthehead.com%2Fretro%2F378%2Fimplementing-webmentions #css #javascript via JavaScriptKicks (twitter.com/_/status/889247779779993602)
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