#dev 2017-07-26

2017-07-26 UTC
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gRegorLove Interesting that allinthehead.com article didn't pick up my author photo
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gRegorLove Looks like most indie responses it didn't get photos for actually
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gRegorLove work in progress, I'm sure
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tantek gRegorLove: probably an indication of an implementation of a subset of the authorship algorithm
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[kevinmarks] Round face icons though
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tantek makes me wonder if it's time for a test suite for that
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tantek for consuming code
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tantek and a validator that follows /authorship fully for content (and indicates which step your post used)
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[miklb] !tell aaronpk when you have a few minutes, could you take a look at this issue I’m having with Quill and WP micropub? https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/issues/69
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [miklb] #69 Missing Location Header
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Ruxton miklb: what are you sending to the micropub endpoint?
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[miklb] a photo post.
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[miklb] from iOS
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Ruxton interesting, I wonder if Quill is sending filename in the post
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Ruxton are you able to upload same photo inside the wordpress admin UI?
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[miklb] good question. I haven’t tried posting directly from my phone to the admin.
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Ruxton try that, if it works, it's likely something Quill is not doing right, as I'm throwing images at wordpress-micropub every few days without drama
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[miklb] yes, I was able to upload that photo through wp-admin from iOS fine. OwnYourGram works fine
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gRegorLove Quill sends a tmp file name that does not have an extension
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Ruxton yerp just saw that :P
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[miklb] aha!
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gRegorLove That error messgage is from WP core. May only be doing file extension checks. I ran into that with my MP for ProcessWire plugin.
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[miklb] it is a core error and there’s a whitelist of extensions allowed iirc.
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Ruxton That's correct, only file extension checks
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gRegorLove Yeah, they should improve that.
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[miklb] wonder if there’s something I can filter to allow coming from Quill…
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Ruxton it's easier to fix it in Quill and make Quill behave correctly (send original file extension)
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Ruxton surely?
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gRegorLove Maybe related: https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/40175
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[miklb] possibly, I tried with the plugin in that issue but got same error
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gRegorLove What mime type does finfo_file() show for the image on your server?
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[miklb] it never makes it from my phone
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gRegorLove "Lord of the Files" plugin, hah
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[miklb] I am using a plugin to offload images to my S3 bucket, but I don’t think that’s teh problem since my OYG images work fine.
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Ruxton i've attempted a fix into Quill for this to ensure it sends the original filename instead of the tmp_name
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gRegorLove lolwat https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/issues/81 (the description body)
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Loqi [tjgillies] #81 quill may or may not be converting animated gif to static gif
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[miklb] o_O
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[miklb] little surprised this hasn’t come up before
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[miklb] my issue with WP/iOS
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[miklb] as an aside, I didn’t realize the native wp-admin was so functional on my phone. Might not need Quill on iOS afterall
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Ruxton https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/pull/82
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Loqi [Ruxton] #82 Ensure original filename+extension is sent
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[miklb] Ruxton++
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Zegnat !tell tantek if you are looking for a “validator” for authorship, I like testing with https://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me/ which will highlight the exact path through the algorithm that needs to be taken for any page.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@mgiulio Webmentions https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/890135567526227970)
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@komrad Implementing Webmentions http://internetmarketing.freedombucks.ws/implementing-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/890136162471378945)
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drewinthehead gRegorLove: I basically haven't implemented the authorship algo yet. Just looking at that now.
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drewinthehead I think I'm right in staying there's no a standalone PHP implementation for the authorship algo, just a few partial in-the-wilds. Is that right? Seems like it would make a useful addition.
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Zegnat Looks like you are right drewinthehead, though some implementations might be really easy to take out and use stand-alone: https://indieweb.org/authorship#Implementations
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www.svenknebel.de edited /authorship (+8) "/* XRay */ also library" (view diff)
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@bicyclemind Webmentions: il futuro dei commenti. https://www.bicyclemind.it/2017/07/webmentions-il-futuro-dei-commenti/ (twitter.com/_/status/890165414352871424)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Events () "(-1320) /* 2017 */ remove past events from reccent" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Events (+1336) "/* 2017 */ and archive them" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Events (+38) "/* Earlier */ link 2017 archive page" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Events (+0) "/* April */ change april ideas to 2018" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Events (+167) "/* July */ add all cities for 07-26" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas Hey voxpelli: Can I get information about errors from webmention.heroku?
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jeremycherfas Failing to add the domain I established through ngrok, and wonder why.
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voxpelli jeremycherfas: WHat error are you getting?
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jeremycherfas Failed to add domain
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jeremycherfas I think I’ll just live dangerosly and see if I can get things going on the live site.
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voxpelli jeremycherfas: I will look in my logs
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jeremycherfas No worry, thanks. I just added the live site domain and will work with that.
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voxpelli jeremycherfas: I can't find anything in the logs :/
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jeremycherfas Ah well. I’ve got an hour or so to play live. If I can get something — anything — I’ll be very happy.
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voxpelli jeremycherfas: what domain did you try to add?
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voxpelli can't remember the format of ngrok domains
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jeremycherfas https://39e1e221.ngrok.io/grav-admin/ I can’t get a standard subdomain without paying € 60 upfront, and it isn’t worth that to me.
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voxpelli And what are you trying to add? Just the "39e1e221.ngrok.io", right?
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jeremycherfas Ah no. That won’t work, because all my local sites are under a subdomain here, because of MAMP
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sknebel that shouldn't be a problem though, since *you* choose for which pages on the domain it's the webmention endpoint?
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jeremycherfas Don’t understand, sknebel.
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sknebel why won't it work to add the entire domain?
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sknebel webmentions only get sent to webmention.herokuapp for pages on which there is a header declaring it as the endpoint
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jeremycherfas I’ll try that first then. Thanks.
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jeremycherfas Whoa! Truly wonderful stuff voxpelli. I used the sample data first to see how much styling I would have to do, and they all came throough just perfectly.
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jeremycherfas Could I ask people to please send a webmention to https://39e1e221.ngrok.io/grav-admin/blog/take-back-the-net-revisited so that I can see how it copes with real webmentions?
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Loqi "Take back the net" revisited
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jeremycherfas Voxpelli++
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voxpelli Nice :)
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voxpelli jeremycherfas: You can run it against https://webmention.rocks/ I think
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voxpelli or um, maybe not the right thing
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jeremycherfas I can try, that’s true.
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jeremycherfas No. It is your implementation, not mine.
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jeremycherfas Oh, that’s fun. The example webmentions change with each reload.
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voxpelli The more examples, the better ;)
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jeremycherfas :)
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jeremycherfas The styling will be fun, I think.
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jeremycherfas Is it possible to change the order in which the elements are displayed?
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voxpelli jeremycherfas: well, with CSS Flexbox and such it sure is ;)
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jeremycherfas Riiiight
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petermolnar.net edited /User:Petermolnar.net () "(-692)" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas I guess that as the random subdomain that ngrok supplies will change next time I want to use it that I will have to start from scratch, logging out this site
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jeremycherfas Actually, CSS flexbox looks like it could be very worthwhile learning.
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voxpelli it sure is, very powerful
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voxpelli that + CSS Grid which is soon available to wide use as well will make layouts in CSS so much more powerful and easy
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sknebel CSS Grid really is fun
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jeremycherfas I’ve read about CSS Grid, and it seems remarkably powerful. Flexbox might be easier to start with.
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jeremycherfas Does it degrade elegantly?
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jeremycherfas Oh, I see there’s a tool for helping it cope with older browsers. That’s handy.
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sknebel you can feature-check for it, and AFAIK it overrides other layouting rules - if it isn't supported, you can fallback to a conventional layout
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sknebel https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2017/07/enhancing-css-layout-floats-flexbox-grid/ is a recent article that discusses some of that
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voxpelli Flexbox is supported for long enough for me to consider it to be okay to expect everyone to have it
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voxpelli Especially as it became introduced before @supports was introduced
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jeremycherfas Well, all that is a few days in the future at least.
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@schutzsmith What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/webmentions-annotations-web-standards/?ptm=c (twitter.com/_/status/890211627727036420)
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Loqi sknebel, did you find your MP content type notes?
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Loqi Countdown set by sknebel on 2017-07-25 at 4:35pm CEST
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: [miklb] left you a message 9 hours, 56 minutes ago: when you have a few minutes, could you take a look at this issue I’m having with Quill and WP micropub? https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/issues/69
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aaronpk catching up on logs
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Loqi *yawn*
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aaronpk yep that's how i feel too, Loqi
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martymcgui.re edited /Micropub/Clients (+0) "/* Clients */ re-alphabetize" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Slater (-1) "copy/pasta s/Screech/Slater" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /Micropub/Clients (+1010) "/* Clients */ add screech, slater" (view diff)
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schmarty tantek: thanks for catching my pasta
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tantek what is PASTA
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Loqi tantek: Zegnat left you a message 8 hours, 46 minutes ago: if you are looking for a “validator” for authorship, I like testing with https://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me/ which will highlight the exact path through the algorithm that needs to be taken for any page.
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Loqi PASTA is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish Anywhere, Save To (private) Archive, the practice of automatically saving a copy of whatever you post on (social media) silos to someplace else under your own control, like a private directory on your own server, or a local folder on your laptop that is less vulnerable to site-death https://indieweb.org/PASTA
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tantek oh dear, jargon collision
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tantek.com edited /Slater (+76) "subhead Marty McGuire, link?, selfdogfooding" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /Slater (+4) "/* Marty McGuire */ update w/ example" (view diff)
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@grabaperch How to display a webmentions facepile on your Perch blog https://grabaperch.com/blog/archive/2017-07-26-displaying-a-webmentions-facepile (twitter.com/_/status/890245146704523264)
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tantek Perch++ wow
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drewinthehead Still need to improve author detection, but that's coming. Small steps.
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tantek drewinthehead: what did you think of /authorship?
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drewinthehead @tantek Looks good to me, appreciate it being well spec'd, just need to get it implemented.
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tantek cool. good to know! appreciate any feedback on any difficult / awkward / confusing bits.
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tantek.com edited /Tumblr (-9) "shorten code example" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Tumblr (+464) "/* Criticisms */ Two Weeks Warning" (view diff)
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gRegorLove tantek: I think https://indieweb.org/Tumblr#Releasing_inactive_accounts is the same, can be merged into that section ^
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tantek oh oops, didn't see it
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tantek on it
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gRegorLove np. Good to have a screenshot
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tantek.com edited /Tumblr (-65) "/* Criticisms */ merged with prior Releasing inactive accounts, move that section near involuntary identity reassignment due to being related" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Tumblr (+148) "/* Blocked Feedreader Bloglovin */ Tumblr blocks Bloglovin citation with archived link" (view diff)
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tantek whoa
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voxpelli It's no longer blocked as far as I remember, happened when I worked at Bloglovin
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gregorlove.com edited /Tumblr (+322) "/* Blocked Feedreader Bloglovin */ venturebeat citation with archived link" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Looks like. Found a FB update a month later https://www.facebook.com/Bloglovin/posts/10154583348070300
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gRegorLove Wow, I don't get the annoying 1/3 overlay to join Facebook when I open that ^
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cweiske only when you scroll IIRC
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snarfed looking forward to reading this actual quantitative study of how many users can't do SSL: https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.02813
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snarfed there's been lots of FUD forever about how many people you leave behind if you're SSL-only, and more recently SNI-only, but very little actual measurement ordata
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gregorlove.com edited /Tumblr (+156) "/* Blocked Feedreader Bloglovin */ working again as of 2014-09-09" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Tumblr (+180) "/* Releasing inactive accounts */ reset your password" (view diff)
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Zegnat snarfed, I have noticed that too. When I first set-up SSL I saw all these warnings about SNI, but I haven’t had any complaints and everyone I ever linked to my site has been able to reach it.
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tantek.com edited /Tumblr (+229) "/* Releasing inactive accounts */ when you click Alrighty" (view diff)
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cweiske I had my share of SNI problems, 15 years ago
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jeremycherfas Tantek: your experience of being able to set a new password suggests that if I allow my Tumblr site to be dormant I will eventually get the same email and be allowed to reset my passowrd.
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tantek assuming you still have access to the email you used to sign-up on Tumblr!
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aaronpk the only SNI problems i've had is from people using python2 HTTP clients
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cweiske elasticsearch head plugin running on localhost:9200 is not able to access ES instance on localhost:8080 (ssl forwarding) because of CORS :/
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cweiske sometimes I want the old browsers back
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cweiske s/ssl/ssh/
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sknebel Regarding authorship tests, there is a github repo with test cases, Zegnat already linked to the "explaining" tool
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dgold regarding https 'leaving users behind' - that paper suggests a vanishingly small cohort of users
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dgold and I don't think the size of that cohort countermands the benefits of https
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cweiske chat search will continue to not return emojis, because of elasticsearch tokenization problems with unicode and a too-low ES version on my server :/
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aaronpk whoa
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cweiske details in https://github.com/cweiske/phinde/issues/27
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Loqi [cweiske] #27 emojis not displayed in results
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tantek sknebel - I missed the links (re: /authorship)
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sknebel copy-paste because lazy: tantek: Zegnat left you a message 8 hours, 46 minutes ago: if you are looking for a “validator” for authorship, I like testing with https://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me/ which will highlight the exact path through the algorithm that needs to be taken for any page.
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sknebel and https://github.com/sandeepshetty/authorship-test-cases
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Loqi [sandeepshetty] authorship-test-cases: Test cases for the IndieWeb Authorship Algorithm
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sknebel the test repo needs updates I just saw
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sknebel (there is even a PR already for some fixes)
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tantek.com edited /stream (+10) "h-feed over hAtom" (view diff)
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tantek sknebel: I don't think we've heard from sandeep in a while - probably worth forking somewhere to collaborate
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tantek thanks sknebel
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tantek !tell Zegnat it appears that sturdy-backbone cannot find my authorship - only showed red for steps 1 & 2: https://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me/test?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com (also red is odd for indicating a "good path taken")
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek sknebel oh wait is that your tool?
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Zegnat It is sknebel’s tool
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aaronpk that seems to be following the authorship algorithm correctly
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Zegnat And it needs an h-entry, tantek.com is not an h-entry
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aaronpk it correctly aborts
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tantek no it's supposed to handle an h-feed
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aaronpk not according to https://indieweb.org/authorship
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Zegnat I have a question about handling feeds: https://indieweb.org/authorship#Questions
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aaronpk "start with a particular h-entry to determine authorship for, and no author"
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tantek step 4
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tantek aaronpk a-ha good point
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aaronpk it says to abort on step 1
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tantek odd that it got to step two then ;)
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Zegnat Probably because it discovers there is no valid h-entry for the URL at that step in the parser
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tantek ok worked for a permalink, cool
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tantek very cool actually
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tantek sknebel++
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Zegnat https://indieweb.org/authorship#Questions also has a link to the chatlogs where sknebel and I discuss feed support. https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2017-07-16#t1500238350593000
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Zegnat Any input on that is welcome
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gregorlove.com edited /authorship (-3) "move testing up from See Also" (view diff)
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tantek nooooooo -merge
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sknebel thanks
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sknebel looking at tanteks permalinks reminds me that there still is an open bug in the JS mf2 parsers triggered by them
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tantek.com edited /authorship (+1650) "How to, How to publish and validate, how to determine" (view diff)
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Zegnat sturdy-backbone.glitch.me just showing the entire JSON for the h-cards confronts me with how much stuff I am pushing to everyone who tried to get my author information, haha
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Loqi rofl
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Zegnat Also I might see a big. Is the JS mf2 parser easily testable somewhere? sknebel?
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voxpelli Zegnat: it used to be available at Glenn's site, but Glenn's site seems to be gone? http://www.glennjones.net/
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sknebel Zegnat: glenns site is down, so right now not
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tantek Was there a HWC Brighton tonight?
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sknebel no
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Zegnat No, cancelled
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Zegnat sknebel, see e.g. https://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me/test?url=https%3A%2F%2Flicit.li%2F596d1d02177ec and look for my weight in the output. The “name” value is “kilograms”. I expect “83.7 kilograms” (see https://php.microformats.io/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvanderven.se%2Fmartijn%2F)
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sknebel Zegnat: just patched an endpoint in: http://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me/mf2?url=
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sknebel (not quite stock, my open PRs are already merged in that one)
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Zegnat Still doesn’t match the PHP output on weight. Now I have to see which parser is wrong.
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tantek.com edited /authorship (+6) "make the OR explicit because (some) people tend to like to tick all the boxes (just to be sure) and you don't have to" (view diff)
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tantek notices " Does not implement standards " lol
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Zegnat The rel="author" mentioned in that section is implemented in the algo though. Can’t it be removed?
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tantek working on it
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Zegnat tantek++
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tantek noting when it was added - should be resolved
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tantek but meta author is metacrap
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sknebel Zegnat: looks like a bug in the JS parser, presumably it doesn't do the .h-x>abbr:only-child rule correctly?
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sknebel in general I assume it has quite a few bugs. I tried it to update to the current mf2 test suite but it failed quite a bit of that
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sknebel not sure if I updated it wrong or actual bugs in all cases, but
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4pZyWzi_.jpg
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Zegnat I will have a closer look in a bit. It might just as well be a mistake on the PHP end, mind you. I am doing some weird stuff with the mark-up there.
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sknebel it does :only-of-type instead of :only-child
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dgold whew - nice even playing with php - I have photos (by url), categories and JSON working on my micropub implementation
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dgold *evening
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tantek.com edited /authorship (+736) "/* Does not implement standards */ note resolutions to issues. tl;dr meta author is metacrap, rel=author already in algo" (view diff)
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Zegnat sknebel, that would do it, yes
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sknebel where the microformat rules changed for that?
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sknebel since the source comment also references it. https://github.com/glennjones/microformat-shiv/blob/90c5ea5e43ae95fc460aef79f8c19832c6f1dc26/lib/parser-implied.js#L201
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Zegnat Going through wiki history
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Zegnat I am not seeing it getting changed sknebel. Am in June 2015 now and still only-child
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sknebel doesn'T seem so. but e.g. photo and name are parsed differently, and the code treats them all the same it seems
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Zegnat It used to be called :only-node in the parsing spec, apparently. But I don’t think it has ever been of-type
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tantek.com edited /authorship (+705) "/* Questions */ answer a few, clarify, follow-up" (view diff)
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sknebel (also, I totally wasn't aware that there is an implied *photo* property. so an h-entry with a single img in it might accidentally get a photo property?!)
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Zegnat I wonder if that trips up post type discovery
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tantek not accidentally, automatically!
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Zegnat Write a blog post, have 1 IMG in there, suddenly parser output has a u-photo and PTD turns it into a photo post?
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tantek but note how constrained it is
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Zegnat has not read Post-Type-Discovery much
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tantek "an h-entry with a single img in it" sure sounds like a photo post
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sknebel could also be a "u-featured"
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sknebel ?
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sknebel when then becomes both photo and featured?
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Zegnat Which is why I said “1”, tantek. It could have 100 paragraph tags and a single IMG, and the h-entry would get a photo property
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sknebel Zegnat: well, it can't be nested in e.g. the e-content
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Zegnat But I don’t need e-content
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Zegnat Could be 2 paragraph note, no e-content at all.
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sknebel yep
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sknebel or could be a decoration image that's part of the layout
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Zegnat decorations shouldn’t be IMG, but yes
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sknebel (getting OT, what should they be instead if they are pixel images? or is it "should not be pixel images"?)
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[miklb] I’ve never heard of decoration image
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sknebel like, some design element thats a picture. a fancy "bookmark" symbol on a bookmark post or something like that
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Zegnat sknebel, tantek, I would not expect something like this post to be classified a photo post by PostTypeDiscovery: https://php.microformats.io/?id=20170726201118954
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sknebel yep
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aaronpk Whoa what I didn't realize it did that
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sknebel http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20170726201301049 my example was this
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sknebel I remember the distinction between u-featured and u-photo being important?
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Zegnat IMGs are implied as photo properties if they are only-of-type, not only-child, aaronpk
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Zegnat Also a good one sknebel! Should a u-featured suddenly count as an implied u-photo. My first reaction is no
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sknebel no, that'd make the distinction almost pointless I think
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gRegorLove Huh, interesting. So PTD would say this is a photo post: https://gregorlove.com/2017/06/indieweb-appreciation/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] IndieWeb Appreciation https://indieweb.org/images/b/b6/2017-indieweb-summit.gif
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gregorlove.com created /PTD (+33) "r" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Heh, as evidenced by Loqi's preview
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aaronpk IMO as soon as you have text both above and below a photo it's not a photo post anymore
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sknebel wait, no
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sknebel that shouldn't be a photo
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sknebel since it's not a direct child of the h-entry
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Zegnat !mf https://gregorlove.com/2017/06/indieweb-appreciation/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] IndieWeb Appreciation https://indieweb.org/images/b/b6/2017-indieweb-summit.gif
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sknebel !mf2 https://gregorlove.com/2017/06/indieweb-appreciation/
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Kaja https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgregorlove.com%2F2017%2F06%2Findieweb-appreciation%2F
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] IndieWeb Appreciation https://indieweb.org/images/b/b6/2017-indieweb-summit.gif
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aaronpk gregor did put u-photo on the photo tho
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gRegorLove Oh? Oops
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gRegorLove Let me fix
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sknebel Kaja << "add !mf command, people forget the 2 all the time"
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Loqi ok, I added ""add !mf command, people forget the 2 all the time"" to the "See Also" section of /User:Kaja.sknebel.net
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loqi.me edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net (+54) "sknebel added ""add !mf command, people forget the 2 all the time"" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Zegnat You have e-content, so that one should be fine, gRegorLove
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Zegnat I think it only happens if the image is a direct child of the h-entry
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sknebel yes
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gRegorLove Yep, good now: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgregorlove.com%2F2017%2F06%2Findieweb-appreciation%2F
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gRegorLove You're right, direct child img
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sknebel so I guess many posts are "saved" by layouting divs and stuff ;)
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Zegnat Well. Doesn’t have to be direct child, there can be a single :only-child wrapper in between
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Zegnat <div class="h-entry"><div class="e-content"><p></p><img><p></p></div></div>
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Zegnat would still be an implied photo, I think
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gRegorLove Sounds right
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sknebel yes https://php.microformats.io/?id=20170726202622645
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gRegorLove sknebel++ Nice Kaja mf2 command, didn't know about that.
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Zegnat And of course, for giggles, add the u-featured in there again: https://php.microformats.io/?id=20170726202725332
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gRegorLove needs lang=gibberish :)
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aaronpk hm i need to update my twitter POSSE to use the new reply thing wher eyou don't need to include ppls names in the tweet
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sknebel Zegnat: filed https://github.com/glennjones/microformat-shiv/issues/34
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Loqi [sknebel] #34 Incorrect implicit name properties
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sknebel Zegnat aaronpk gRegorLove: I feel like the implied "photo" parsing should be an issue against the mf2 parsing spec, yes/no?
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aaronpk yeah guess so
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gRegorLove Which part, specifically? Did we have a real world example of it giving uexpected /PTD?
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tantek yeah that sounds more like a spec issue
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tantek that # 34 above
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sknebel gRegorLove: your article is only not an example because you used a figure tag around the img, right?
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gRegorLove tests
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Zegnat gRegorLove probably has some more elements outside the e-content, so his will not trigger implied photo
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gRegorLove No, because it's inside div class=e-content, and that div has sibling elements
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Zegnat Yeah, assoon as there are siblings there it is off
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gRegorLove Confirmed with mf2py and php-mf2
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gRegorLove Not opposed to a github issue on it, though, or discussion in #microformats at least. tantek can shed more light on the history of it, probably.
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Zegnat Really it is a bit of an edge-case. I can come up with loads of theoretical problems, but hard to find actual examples.
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Zegnat Also because I think very few people push what mf2 can do, most copy examples from wikis and those are already proven
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sknebel right, a sibling for the author etc is quite likely. to the point where I wonder if actual photo posts ever have a matching DOM?
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Zegnat <span class="h-card"><img src="" class="u-feature" alt="not my face, not my photo, just a nice picture of my house"><span class="p-name">Martijn</span></span> - would trigger a faulty implied photo property and clash with the feature property. But again, pretty contrived example.
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sknebel I think the u-featured issue is the most likely to actually happen?
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Zegnat More likely, yes, especially if people put that outside of e-content. (Do they?)
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sknebel all sites I'm looking at have a footer of some kind on every post that'll kill the nested rule
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gRegorLove notes seem most likely for that to happen with, since they'll either not have a p-name at all, or it's on the e-content element
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gRegorLove If you post an article and have the p-name inside the e-content, that parses fine, but will look weird in readers (duplicate name showing up)
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Zegnat I always have p-name inside my content (unless I don’t define one and set it to be equal the content)
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gRegorLove huh, interesting
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Zegnat For events (https://licit.li/596a1ac68a9b8) and long-form (https://licit.li/595611f87aae1). But they are basically names I have hidden in the content of the post. There to make parses make sense of things, not really for people.
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sknebel interesting, nearly every page I look at uses <figure> tags
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sknebel and thus doesn't trigger those rules
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sknebel (now I'd love it if we had parser logs telling us which rules are actually used how often ;))
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gRegorLove Zegnat: Interesting, why don't you want the title to show up on the second link there?
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gRegorLove Haven't seen a data class=p-name before. Clever.
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Zegnat gRegorLove: I have no CSS for headings, and most of the time don’t see a need for them on my site. Put incase someone is converting my site in their reader, they might expect a title in there. Or when converting h-feed to RSS.
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Zegnat This theoretically also means they have a title to use for bookmark-of/in-reply-to/… posts
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Zegnat Though most people don’t seem to go that far in the parsing for their target posts
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Zegnat Would have loved to go without the DATA element there, but I wanted a more proper title then I could wrangle the text to be ;)
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gRegorLove Yeah, that's something I'd like to do. I'm usually semi-manually making my like slugs "star-" + original slug. Some don't have the nicest slugs, though :)
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Zegnat On the event I didn’t need data because I already write “Virtual Homebrew Website Club” in the text just the way I would make the title
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gRegorLove Nice. I love the flexibility of HTML and microformats
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Zegnat I like to push the flexibility ;) But yeah, https://gregorlove.com/2017/06/star-martijn-van-der-ven-iws2017/ could have used the p-name.
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] ★ https://licit.li/595611f87aae1
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Zegnat eli uses the TITLE element (e.g. https://eli.li/entry.php?id=20170720183445) which makes me think I might need to make sure to put something there
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Zegnat Now I am really off for bed :) Have a good HWC wherever you are gRegorLove :D
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gRegorLove Could move from <data> to <title> if you move your h-entry to the <html> :) G'night!
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tantek true!
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tantek yet people usually put visible post name in the body anyway, hence better to put h-entry on body
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