#dev 2017-07-16

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KartikPrabhu what the hell are those URLs ^?
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@WebDesign_2017 What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for #WordPress http://traffic.fullcontentrss.com/?q=What+the+New+Webmention+and+Annotation+W3C+Standards+Mean+for+WordPress&t=1500164199 https://twitter.com/WebDesign_2017/status/886379025417084928/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/886379025417084928)
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@BloggerOtomatis What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for #WordPress http://traffic.fullcontentrss.com/?q=What+the+New+Webmention+and+Annotation+W3C+Standards+Mean+for+WordPress&t=1500164346 https://twitter.com/BloggerOtomatis/status/886379645767208960/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/886379645767208960)
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sknebel KartikPrabhu: spambots putting their spam in front of titles from other tweets? or which ones do you mean specifically?
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@WebDesign_2017 What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for #WordPress http://traffic.fullcontentrss.com/?q=What+the+New+Webmention+and+Annotation+W3C+Standards+Mean+for+WordPress&t=1500165681 https://twitter.com/WebDesign_2017/status/886385230688419840/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/886385230688419840)
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@WPSiteExpert What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for #wordpress #tech #wp #IT https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/webmentions-annotations-web-standards/ https://twitter.com/WPSiteExpert/status/886385421143461888/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/886385421143461888)
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@BloggerOtomatis What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for #WordPress http://traffic.fullcontentrss.com/?q=What+the+New+Webmention+and+Annotation+W3C+Standards+Mean+for+WordPress&t=1500165848 https://twitter.com/BloggerOtomatis/status/886385933733507073/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/886385933733507073)
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KartikPrabhu ok this is happening repreatedly, aaronpk tantek are those ^ @BloggerOtomatis and @WebDesign_2017 spam?
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KartikPrabhu they're simply tweetin the same thing over and over
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tantek they're clicking the same tweet button with pre-filled in text
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jjuran I reported those three on Twitter as posting spam.
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@_WPTips The easiest way to make money with #Amazon #Affiliate http://goldbox.fullcontentrss.com #vlog | SEO content | What the New Webmention and Annotati… (twitter.com/_/status/886389751279964160)
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KartikPrabhu well ^
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@WebDesign_2017 What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for #WordPress http://traffic.fullcontentrss.com/?q=What+the+New+Webmention+and+Annotation+W3C+Standards+Mean+for+WordPress&t=1500166884 https://twitter.com/WebDesign_2017/status/886390275266019329/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/886390275266019329)
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@BloggerOtomatis What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for #WordPress http://traffic.fullcontentrss.com/?q=What+the+New+Webmention+and+Annotation+W3C+Standards+Mean+for+WordPress&t=1500167055 https://twitter.com/BloggerOtomatis/status/886390995323158528/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/886390995323158528)
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[miklb] aaronpk do I remember you saying you used silo.pub with Quill?
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aaronpk i think i've tried that before
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aaronpk i do use silo.pub to syndicate to twitter/facebook/github but i trigger it from my own micropub endpoint
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[miklb] ah, that’s probably what I’d like to do with WordPress endpoint then.
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aaronpk i can add any micropub endpoint as a syndication target in my site
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aaronpk so i can use silo.pub or even another instance of my site
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www.svenknebel.de edited /non-interactive_IndieAuth (+147) "/* proposal: simple flow */" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /non-interactive_IndieAuth (+23) "extend section title" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /non-interactive_IndieAuth (+1333) "some rambling about use for private webmentions" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /non-interactive_IndieAuth (+148) "/* ideas for verification of private webmentions */" (view diff)
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[miklb] how might that look aaronpk, the silo.pub endpoint as a syndication target.
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[miklb] I thought the Known plugin used micropub but seems it just uses GH api.
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aaronpk this is what my settings screen looks like https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2017-07-15-18-38-16.png
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[miklb] are you running your own instance of silo.pub?
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk i had to when silo.pub was down every week because the disk was full ?
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[miklb] ah, that explains the difference in the URL. So how do you pass the access token within that?
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[miklb] sorry for probably obvious questions.
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aaronpk it signs in via indieauth!
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aaronpk one sec
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/syndication-setup.mp4
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[miklb] nice. I think from the screenshot I thought that was quill
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www.svenknebel.de edited /non-interactive_IndieAuth (+219) "/* ideas for verification of private webmentions */ expand" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /non-interactive_IndieAuth (+230) "/* ideas for verification of private webmentions */ scope needed?" (view diff)
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sknebel whoops, sorry for spamming edits in your conversation :/
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[miklb] it’s a feature, not a bug ?
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@WPAutoPoster BEST CHEAP VPS #HOSTING https://www.digitalocean.com/?refcode=3229530f66a3 #blogs #WorkFromHome | What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for… (twitter.com/_/status/886408555565203456)
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aaronpk Wow that's just spam
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[miklb] aaronpk more novice questions if you have a minute.
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aaronpk I'm cooking but I can answer sporadically
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[miklb] thanks! Whatcha cookin’?
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aaronpk tater tots :-)
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[miklb] so I get that you auth your silo.pub from within your backend, how does that authorization persist so it can be a syndicate-to ?
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aaronpk My site stores the access token it gets at the end of the flow
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[miklb] and a syndicate-to is just a POST
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@joseabarreram What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for #WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/webmentions-annotations-web-standards/ https://twitter.com/joseabarreram/status/886432706871123968/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/886432706871123968)
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@_BloggingNews https://twitter.com/FullContentRSS/status/846943762836312066/photo/1 UNIQUE ARTICLE GENERATOR http://articlecreator.fullcontentrss.com #DigitalMarketing #FullRSS | What the New Webmention and… (twitter.com/_/status/886432727808974848)
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tantek at least all these tweets are not making it to #indieweb
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tantek !tell aaronpk new tweet/superfeedr search/filter suggestion: if the search result contains "WordPress", then bump it from where it would have shown up (e.g. webmention in #indieweb-dev) to showing up in #indieweb-wordpress
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek what is donation
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "donation" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is payment
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Loqi payment in the context of the indieweb refers to a feature on an indie web site that provides a way for the visitor to that website to pay (currency, gift card credit, etc.) the person represented by that indie web site https://indieweb.org/payment
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tantek I feel like I've seen lots of blogs with "Donate" buttons on them (micropatronage and such) but can't recall any off the top of my head
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[miklb] like using patreon?
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@_JackFritz Generate MASSIVE traffic to your site AUTOMATICALLY http://traffic.fullcontentrss.com #sem #MakeMoney | What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C… (twitter.com/_/status/886447971000135680)
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gregorlove.com created /Photobucket (+492) "stub, criticism" (view diff)
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@CurrentMedia From @wpmudev - What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for #WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/webmentions-annotations-web-standards/ https://twitter.com/CurrentMedia/status/886453222520520705/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/886453222520520705)
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[miklb] hmm. I’m not sure how to debug why the syndicate-to target I’m trying to add isn’t showing up.
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@wpsupportticket What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/webmentions-annotations-web-standards/ (twitter.com/_/status/886492660923588608)
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@wpstarter What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for #WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/webmentions-annotations-web-standards/ (twitter.com/_/status/886506274111803392)
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drewinthehead chrisaldrich: once I'm done testing it'll go into the Blog add-on, which is probably the number one add-on for Perch.
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@Jurassic_Themes What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/webmentions-annotations-web-standards/ https://twitter.com/Jurassic_Themes/status/886526470662660096/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/886526470662660096)
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@TiggeritoTimes What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress: Commenting on blog posts and other website… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/886528087009013761 (twitter.com/_/status/886528087009013761)
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@design_pg What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress http://www.danielemilana.it/blog/what-the-new-webmention-and-annotation-w3c-standards-mean-for-wordpress/ (twitter.com/_/status/886530234832564224)
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@drewm @buddhawilliams Went for the sweatiest run ever, and am now working on a webmentions implementation! (twitter.com/_/status/886539196990619653)
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@drewm Comments are 1990s technology. What I discovered implementing webmentions: https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/886600888969777152)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /event (+919) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Add Martijn" (view diff)
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tantek reads drewinthehead's post
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aaronparecki.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+169) (view diff)
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aaronpk drewinthehead: great post! want to post that to indienews or should I? :D
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 11 hours, 7 minutes ago: new tweet/superfeedr search/filter suggestion: if the search result contains "WordPress", then bump it from where it would have shown up (e.g. webmention in #indieweb-dev) to showing up in #indieweb-wordpress
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aaronpk hm yes that does make sense
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tantek drewinthehead++ yes great post!
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Loqi drewinthehead has 2 karma
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drewinthehead aaronpk: thanks, please go ahead!
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drewinthehead Now patiently waiting to see if it all works correctly.
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aaronpk well you should have two webmentions from me now!
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drewinthehead I see them in the job queue... looking good so far!
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schmarty drewinthehead: great post! Have a webmention from me as well :)
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drewinthehead Looks like I have a bug in how I processed the content from your source, aaronpk. Time to dig in and debug.
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aaronpk i'm kind of an edge case :)
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aaronpk i'm guessing you didn't find my author info, in which case read https://indieweb.org/authorship
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drewinthehead Ace, thanks. Also `bookmark-of`? what fresh hell is this? :D
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aaronpk hah
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Zegnat drewinthehead, some people bookmark, some people like, some repost, some comment. Infinite possibilities! :D
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drewinthehead are these specified somewhere I've missed?
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sknebel https://indieweb.org/Post_Types#Kinds_of_Posts and https://indieweb.org/post_type_discovery - those that refer to other posts have attributes for that. the more common ones also are on the mf2 wiki http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#Properties
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schmarty it's an evolving list
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drewinthehead thanks!
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aaronpk hmm, someone proposed a "decentralized oauth 2.0" session at the next oauth wg meeting
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Zegnat Isn’t oauth decentralised?
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aaronpk in theory yes, in practice no
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aaronpk oh, i remember seeing this a few months ago when he published it... https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hardjono-oauth-decentralized-00
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aaronpk different kind of decentralization
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aaronpk one of these days i'm going to have to write up indieauth in the IETF format and bring it to one of the meetings
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aaronparecki.com edited /lulz (+11) "/* Local */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /309 (+47) "/* See Also */ wikipedia link for more context" (view diff)
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dgold aaronpk: i've been setting up tiktok, and I keep running into a whole fist of errors when messages are sent to it
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sknebel (dgold, did you see the gist I sent you?)
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dgold sknebel: yes :) I followed it
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sknebel :)
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sknebel does it work and show errors, or fails?
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sknebel (it loves to spam exceptions while working just fine)
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dgold yes, exactly - spams huge amounts of exceptions, but works perfect
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dgold *ly
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sknebel hm, my git for TTB is quite ugly right now, I should clean it up and send a PR to fix at least some of them
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petermolnar I was wondering... if there is ganalytics for a site and g sees the traffic, will it count that into the search rankings?
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petermolnar sknebel WordPress?
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sknebel petermolnar: wordpress?
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petermolnar I misread your like
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petermolnar like... line
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petermolnar wtf
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petermolnar my typing AND my reading is off
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petermolnar sorry
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petermolnar nothing :)
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sknebel :)
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Zegnat petermolnar I seem to recall ganalytics has some pretty stringent terms that forbid Google from using the data outside of analytics?
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petermolnar I never checked, never used ga
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aaronpk dgold: hmm i don't have errors when i use it
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aaronpk maybe some version of something is wrong
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sknebel aaronpk: I guess you use all features. if you don't, then it complains that values aren't set
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aaronpk hm, i might need some specific examples
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sknebel e.g. the profile_data hook
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aaronpk i can send just "content" to the bot and it works fine
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sknebel it works
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sknebel it just throws exceptions on the console all the time
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aaronpk feel free to file issues for stuff like that
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sknebel I have sending a PR for it on the todo list
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sknebel just wasn't high priority since it works
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dgold the current big error is:
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dgold NoMethodError at /message
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dgold undefined method `each' for nil:NilClass
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dgold in irc.rb - its certainly to do with the profile matter, as the error is in fetch_user_info
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aaronpk ah sounds like it's missing the profile_data section in the config file
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sknebel yeah, if you don't define a hook it fails trying to find it
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sknebel I just commented it out locally, but adding a NilCheck would fix it
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aaronpk just pushed a fix for that
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dgold yay!
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Loqi ?
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www.svenknebel.de edited /non-interactive_IndieAuth (+595) "/* ideas for verification of private webmentions */ write down flow" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /non-interactive_IndieAuth (+22) "/* ideas for verification of private webmentions */" (view diff)
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@drewm I think I may need to tweak the layout, but webmentions are coming in nicely! https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/886659475976970241)
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sknebel hm, I guess I should start implementing this indieauth stuff to test instead of writing more notes about it, although I'm still not quite sure the proposed solution actually matches the problem
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Zegnat Writing out a clear flow can definitely help pen testing before implementation though
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sknebel Zegnat: I appreciate any feedback ;)
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@miklb Implementing Webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/886662887208607744)
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@calum_ryan Great write-up Drew on webmentions, clear and persuasive to start implementing them ?? https://twitter.com/drewm/status/886659475976970241 (twitter.com/_/status/886662957320556546)
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[miklb] needs to work on syndicating bookmarks
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sknebel [miklb]: was about to ask ;)
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[miklb] deleted and will try again ?
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sknebel reviews https://indieweb.org/server-indieauth again
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@jannisborgers Up until now, I didn’t even know the word webmentions. Incredibly useful – thanks @drewm for explaining it all! https://twitter.com/drewm/status/886659475976970241 (twitter.com/_/status/886664227712368644)
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aaronpk really want this to be possible but i don't think i'll pass the whitelist approval https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2017-07-16-12-52-08.png
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Zegnat “the whitelist approval”?
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aaronpk https://developers.google.com/gmail/markup/registering-with-google
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Zegnat “ Consistent history of sending a high volume of mail from your domain (order of hundred emails a day minimum to Gmail) ” - that will be hard to check off
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aaronpk yeah
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sknebel regarding debug display, didn't sl007 make card-displays for mf2 objects? is that public somewhere?
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sknebel Zegnat: you asked about authorship discovery for h-feeds (for my debugging tool) - is there a clear standard for that?
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sknebel (or just apply the same algorithm to the h-feed instead of picking a post from it?)
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Zegnat I would say follow https://indieweb.org/authorship but start at step 4
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Zegnat and whenever it says “h-entry's page” treat that as “h-feed's page”
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Zegnat Would that make sense?
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Zegnat Since the algorithm is supposed to work with author information on h-feeds anyway
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sknebel I'm not sure what the last line means, but other than that it's not a big change
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Zegnat What line? the “since the…”? I mean that all steps after 4 are supposed to work with author property value taken from h-feed already, so I feel like there should not be any problems. If there is an h-feed specific issue with the algorithm, that might need to be fixed just to work for h-entry also.
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sknebel ah, ok
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sknebel yes, except the "check for h-feed wrapped around it" I don't see anything that's specific to an h-entry
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vanderven.se martijn edited /authorship (+387) "/* Questions */ Use same algorithm for h-feed?" (view diff)
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Zegnat Documented ^^^
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Zegnat Makes sense to me.
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@sonniesedge *desperately tries find time to implement web mentions on own blog* https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/886698832557375488)
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@blogging_trick UNBELIEVABLE, high performance VPS #hosting only $5 https://www.digitalocean.com/?refcode=3229530f66a3 #articles #WP | What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C… (twitter.com/_/status/886701636847976448)
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sknebel ugh, those spammers
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Zegnat Interesting though. Take a SEO-like much boosted Tweet, and then retweet it with spam prepended. I wonder what benefit they get from doing that
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snarfed1 it's things like this that remind me how much i hate web dev :( https://github.com/snarfed/oauth-dropins/commit/3513768ce41d035036ea9356ed7c7fd0d9a1e53d
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snarfed it doesn't 404 for you?
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snarfed oops, that last msg was for a different channel
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@vfowler Implementing Webmentions http://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions Top story: @drewm (twitter.com/_/status/886705417845395457)
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@m_ott @brad_frost @drewm Really worth it! For WordPress, there's a #webmention plugin by @pfefferle -> https://de.wordpress.org/plugins/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/886708353132630016)
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@m_ott Webmentions are on the rise… @drewm wrote a great post about implementing them for Perch CMS: https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/886709177250349057)
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[kevinmarks] Aaronpk can you ask will norris for advice on Gmail api approval?
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aaronpk hm maybe
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aaronpk just had an interesting idea for a service that's kind of like a reverse bridgy publish
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aaronpk actually i guess it is just bridgy publish
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aaronpk but, the difference would be it'd allow people who don't have a github account to publish comments to github issues
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