#dev 2017-07-17

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snarfed aaronpk: yes! https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/333
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Loqi [snarfed] #333 add GitHub support
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aaronpk snarfed: i'm talking about POSSEing to github without having a github account tho!
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snarfed ahhhhh interesting yes
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snarfed that's kind of like how bridgy for blogs handles webmentions
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snarfed https://brid.gy/about#user
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@kazuhito Implementing Webmentions https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/886777091856969728)
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@kazuhito Movable Type のプラグインで何か良さげなのあるのかなと思い Webmention で検索したけど結果ゼロ (twitter.com/_/status/886780824720334850)
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loqi.me created /socmed_death (+23) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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@blogging_trick Automatic ARTICLE GENERATOR online http://articlecreator.fullcontentrss.com #backlinks #blogspot | What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean… (twitter.com/_/status/886793227491196929)
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@ebooks_lewis Managing Typography on my head around webmentions. (twitter.com/_/status/886809245068529664)
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[miklb] lol
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loqi.me edited /silo-quits (+419) "tantek added "2017-07-14 [http://kinlane.com/2017/07/14/i-flushed-the-last-nine-years-of-my-facebook-profile/ I Flushed The Last 9 Years Of My Facebook Profile] <blockquote>I flushed the the last 9 years of my Facebook profile over the last couple of" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /silo-quits (+8) "complete the quote, collapse see also sections" (view diff)
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@adactioLinks Implementing Webmentions https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/886851273458425857)
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petermolnar I've tried out all the readability ports to python I could find and my summary is that they all suck at some point. I wonder if anyone wrote a try mf, try mf2, try schema, try ld-json, try blackmagic type readability LIBRARY that other languages could just do bindings for, because I can't find any
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@inautilo Implementing Webmentions · The web standard for mentions and conversations across the web https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions #guide (twitter.com/_/status/886897220536160257)
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@retolist Implementing Webmentions · The web standard for mentions and conversations across the web https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions #guide (twitter.com/_/status/886904574765879296)
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@herrseilerbitte </> What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/webmentions-annotations-web-standards/ #frontend #developers #webdesign #webd… (twitter.com/_/status/886935434529562624)
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@courtneyengle What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/webmentions-annotations-web-standards/ (twitter.com/_/status/886937368208527360)
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petermolnar not again
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jeremycherfas Managed to carve out some time to dig into the grav webmention plugin again. I may be a nuisance here.
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Zegnat No such thing, jeremycherfas
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jeremycherfas We shall see.
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@drewm Working on getting webmentions hooked up for @rachelandrew’s site redesign https://rachelandrew.co.uk/archives/2017/07/16/a-redesign/ (twitter.com/_/status/886947013455216642)
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jeremycherfas Zegnat: Going from one locally hosted site to another locally hosted site does not seem to be working, at least for Grav with both the old webmentions plugin and the version that uses xray.
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jeremycherfas I suppose I had better try with WP and Known just to make sure.
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Zegnat That is weird. Do you have any errors to share?
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jeremycherfas Which means I have to indiewebify my local install of WP. :(
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@synvila Interesting read on Implementing Webmentions. https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/886948888447520770)
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jeremycherfas I don’t think so. Let me check logs.
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@SocialNet_Newz Implementing Webmentions http://route.overnewser.com/socialnet_newz/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fallinthehead.com%2Fretro%2F378%2Fimplementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/886949016516349958)
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Zegnat There must be a reason for not working, else there is nothing to fix
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jeremycherfas Nothing obvious in logs. Let me check for debug information in the plugin
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jeremycherfas Plugin readme doesn’t have any obvious way to enhance debugging information.
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[shanehudson] Massive news that Perch will have webmention built in, as of this week by sounds of it.
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jeremycherfas I suppose I could pivot and use this first as a step by step for indiewebifying. But then again, it is purely local, so not sure how that will work out.
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jeremycherfas Probably just need webmentions in WP to begin with.
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Zegnat Do you see your webmention endpoint being hit with a request at all, jeremycherfas? In the apache request logs if nowhere else?
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Zegnat That would be the first thing to debug: see if the sender is actually sending.
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jeremycherfas Good point. Yes, there is an error. [Mon Jul 17 15:28:10 2017] [error] [client ::1] File does not exist: /Applications/MAMP/htdocs/mentions
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@SocialNet_Newz Implementing Webmentions http://route.overnewser.com/socialnet_newz/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fallinthehead.com%2Fretro%2F378%2Fimplementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/886953551607549952)
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jeremycherfas That seems to mean that the URL I am replying to is wrong in some way.
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jeremycherfas That url in local Known is http://localhost:8888/grav-admin/blog/bird-migration-getting-to-the-point
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jeremycherfas And if I click on it, it goes to the post.
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jeremycherfas That suggests that somehow in sending the webmention, Known is doing something odd with the URL
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Zegnat If you do viewsource, can you find where it tells the webmention endpoint is at?
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jeremycherfas Not sure about that.
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jeremycherfas The code is <p>
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jeremycherfas <i class="fa fa-reply"></i> Replied to
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jeremycherfas <a href="http://localhost:8888/grav-admin/blog/bird-migration-getting-to-the-point" rel="in-reply-to"
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jeremycherfas class="u-in-reply-to">a post on
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jeremycherfas <strong>localhost</strong>
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jeremycherfas </a>:
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jeremycherfas </p>
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jeremycherfas Oh blast. Sorry.
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jeremycherfas Let me make a gist.
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shanehudson.net edited /Webmention (+50) "/* Publishing Software */" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas https://gist.github.com/jeremycherfas/f0717723be8cdc068fe8dde3251bfc27
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Zegnat That looks like the source of the Known post. Known then visits that URL (http://localhost:8888/grav-admin/blog/bird-migration-getting-to-the-point) and tries to find a Webmention endpoint on there. So it is the source of the Grav blogpost that is important.
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@DigitalizationN Implementing Webmentions http://route.overnewser.com/digitalizationn/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fallinthehead.com%2Fretro%2F378%2Fimplementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/886955263911219200)
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jeremycherfas Do you mean where is the webmention endpoint for Grav?
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Zegnat No, but should be on linked http://localhost:8888/grav-admin/blog/bird-migration-getting-to-the-point ? Can you gist the source of that page?
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jeremycherfas Ah. There is an error there. It has <link href="http://localhost:8888/mentions" rel="webmention" /></head>
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@ProgrammingWrld Implementing Webmentions http://kjwq.autofollow.fr/programmingwrld/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fallinthehead.com%2Fretro%2F378%2Fimplementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/886956281361256449)
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jeremycherfas But I am pretty sure it needs to be more detailed than that.
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jeremycherfas I’d better check the webmention YAML settings
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Zegnat Yeah, that is definitely wrong jeremycherfas. As in your local copy, that is not the root address for your site
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jeremycherfas I took this up before with the plugin author, here https://github.com/Perlkonig/grav-plugin-webmention/issues/3
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Loqi [jeremycherfas] #3 Should the webmention endpoint give a 404?
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jeremycherfas And, when I try http://localhost:8888/grav-admin/mentions on my site, I get a 404
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Zegnat Ah, so you are not actually sure if the plugin is currently live or not?
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Zegnat Either way, you want Known to find that URL to reach your endpoint, instead of just /mentions
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jeremycherfas But now, when I try the link he supplies in that github issue, I get a 404 rather than a 405 and no message.
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jeremycherfas The plugin is certainly enabled
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Zegnat Then you just need to fix discoverability, so Known can actually find it
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Zegnat If you fix that, you should be able to have Known correctly (locally) send mentions to you
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jeremycherfas Is there a curl command I can use to check discoverability?
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@DigitalizationN Implementing Webmentions http://route.overnewser.com/digitalizationn/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fallinthehead.com%2Fretro%2F378%2Fimplementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/886959685907173377)
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Zegnat Uuhm. Yes.
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Zegnat Or just view source and look at the webmentions meta element
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Zegnat `curl -i -s http://localhost:8888/grav-admin/blog/bird-migration-getting-to-the-point | grep 'rel="webmention"'` possibly?
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jeremycherfas OK, doing it that way, and I can confirm that when the plugin is disabled, there is no rel=“webmention” but when it is enabled, there is
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jeremycherfas Yup, that’s one of the form that cweiske gave me a while back.
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Zegnat Good. So you know the plugin is on. It is just the value of rel="webmention" that is wrong. And that is, of course, an issue.
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Zegnat I don’t recall exactly how the webmention plugin generated that element
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jeremycherfas Right. But now I wonder, what should it be? I’ll have a look.
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Zegnat I expect it should be http://localhost:8888/grav-admin/mentions, instead of http://localhost:8888/mentions
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Zegnat It cut off the subdir, possibly because it assumes Grav is running on the root domain
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jeremycherfas I tried that. Also gives a 404.
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jeremycherfas I poked in perlkonigs source code, and he doesn’t seem to have webmentions running on his own site!
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jeremycherfas I guess I’ll just open another issue there. No point in going further, for now.
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Zegnat It might give a 404 because that is the default thing it returns though, yet still accept webmentions on that URL
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Zegnat Have you tried sending a webmention to it?
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Zegnat curl -i -d source=WHATEVERTHEKNOWNPOSTURLIS -d target=http://localhost:8888/grav-admin/blog/bird-migration-getting-to-the-point http://localhost:8888/grav-admin/mentions
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jeremycherfas Yes. But only indirectly, via known.
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@ProgrammingWrld Implementing Webmentions http://kjwq.autofollow.fr/programmingwrld/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fallinthehead.com%2Fretro%2F378%2Fimplementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/886962447768276992)
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Zegnat Did you fix the discoverability in the meta tag? Else Known isn’t sending anything.
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Zegnat https://github.com/Perlkonig/grav-plugin-webmention/blob/master/webmention.php#L439 - it looks like it is *specifically* exiting on a 404. Maybe.
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jeremycherfas That gives a huge amount of output that scrolled by very fast.
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jeremycherfas So it looks like you are correct Zegnat, the target is wrong, for some reason.
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Zegnat Turns out I wrote part of this code ;) Give me a second.
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jeremycherfas Sure. I’m just writing the issue now.
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Zegnat I mean the fact that it is 404’ing is still an issue separate to this of course, so that you can file.
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Zegnat It looks like the code requests whatever the base URI is from Grav and just adds the /mentions. So it sounds like Grav is reporting a faulty base URI.
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Zegnat If Grav is installed at http://localhost:8888/grav-admin/, then that’s what I would expect to get back
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jeremycherfas As I recall, Grav has quite a few variants on base url
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jeremycherfas I’m going to see what it does on my live site.
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Zegnat I remember the Grav URI thing as pretty aggravating when I was looking into this for you previously.
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jeremycherfas Exactly!
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Zegnat As you can see, it doesn’t do anything special. (The comments should make it easy to read along.) But it does depend on $this->grav['uri']->base() being what I need.
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Zegnat This is the code we are talking about, that I wrote, that adds the LINK element to your HEAD: https://github.com/Perlkonig/grav-plugin-webmention/blob/master/webmention.php#L186-L218
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jeremycherfas It is definitely a problem with local versus production. When I use the same CURL subsituting the values from the production site, it works fine.
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Zegnat Yes. You local either doesn’t know that it is installed in a subdirectory (grav-admin) or the use of ->base() is wrong.
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Zegnat In case of the first it is a configuration problem on your end, in case of the latter someone needs to do a deep dive into the Grav documentation :/
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jeremycherfas Oh great. Now the grav documentation is offline.
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jeremycherfas I may have to rsort to their Slack channekl
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[miklb] !tell aaronpk have you ever contemplated allowing syndicate-to on favorites/likes in Quill?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@grabaperch Perch Blog 5.6 is now available, including webmentions support https://docs.grabaperch.com/addons/blog/webmentions/ Read more about it here: https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/886971093369704450)
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sknebel What is Perch?
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Loqi Perch and Perch Runway are a content management systems based on PHP+MySQL https://indieweb.org/Perch
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Perch (+175) "Webmentions!" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas Zegnat: giving up for now, till I’ve been able to take a closer look at the Grav URL functions.
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jeremycherfas Thanks again for guidance.
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Zegnat No problem jeremycherfas! Otherwise you could look into running local development domains. I do this to have vanderven.dev and licit.dev locally. That way, all the URLs can mirror the live sites instead of being in sub directories.
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jeremycherfas Maybe we can talk about that another time. Right now, I use MAMP and that’s just the way it sets things up. I have to go out now.
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Zegnat No problem! Have a nice evening :)
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: [miklb] left you a message 29 minutes ago: have you ever contemplated allowing syndicate-to on favorites/likes in Quill?
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Loqi morning!
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aaronpk [miklb]: i had considered it, but most of the time I use the bookmarklet to favorite things, which auto-submits the form, so i don't have an opportunity to click syndication buttons
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aaronpk but if you authorize Quill to your twitter account, then when you favorite twitter URLs in quill, quill will go favorite it on twitter
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snarfed hey aaronpk just fyi, the IRC web UI "Prev" links for the new channels, eg wordpress and meta, are disabled. e.g. https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2017-07-17#bottom
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aaronpk oh funny
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@EJCSoftwareS Top story: Implementing Webmentions https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/helikopterdsgn/must-follow-web-designers-2?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/886989593140228096)
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@danavilcea Top story: #web #design Implementing Webmentions https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/helikopterdsgn/must-follow-web-designers-2?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/886989594595610624)
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@PrincetonStar Top story: Implementing Webmentions https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/helikopterdsgn/must-follow-web-designers-2?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/886989595782639617)
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@ramanabng12345 Top story:web design Implementing Webmentions https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/helikopterdsgn/must-follow-web-designers-2?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/886989597326159872)
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@bobdesa64 Top story: Implementing Webmentions https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/helikopterdsgn/must-follow-web-designers-2?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/886989598529904641)
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voxpelli [chrisaldrich]: rel-payment + interledger would be so very very exciting, just needed to write that, because excitement
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Loqi voxpelli: mblaney left you a message 5 days, 13 hours ago: I found a windows computer to test firefox on and it still works, so the indie-config bug looks to be linux only. still need to test on a mac.
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[miklb] aaronpk gotcha. I was looking at GitHub starred repos
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aaronpk neat idea
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[miklb] silo.pub supports like-of for starring repos, and with snarfed’s help I got it set up with WordPress as a syndicate-to option, so now just need a mechanism to fire it all off.
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aaronpk oh nice
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snarfed [miklb]++
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Loqi miklb has 6 karma in this channel (40 overall)
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sebsel [miklb] I had a 'if domain is "twitter.com", like the tweet' at some point.
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aaronpk i've been playing around with the idea of automatically syndicating things in my own micropub endpoint a little
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aaronpk e.g. "if this is a twitter URL, automatically syndicate my reply to twitter"
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sebsel yeah, exactly that.
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aaronpk i had mixed results doing that for syndicating text, but it'd be easier for just likes
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aaronpk so i could move some of that logic into Quill
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aaronpk basically you'd tell quill "if the URL matches this pattern, automatically select this syndication button"
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[miklb] that would be ace
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aaronpk i did something similar in ownyourgram wiith keyword matching
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[miklb] I wonder if we could do something like that in one of the IW WP plugins…
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[miklb] is silo.pub generally pretty fast in triggering a micropub request? I tried a reply to an issue but it isn’t showing up on GitHub
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aaronpk it should be instant
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[miklb] ah, my markup isn’t right
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[miklb] http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmiklb.com%2F2017%2F07%2F2155%2F
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[miklb] didn’t set the in-reply-to url
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aaronpk that would do it
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Accelerated_Mobile_Pages (+326) "/* Criticism */ Alex Kras article" (view diff)
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tantek FYI - MozFest submissions due August 1st - and IndieWeb submissions have been explicitly requested! (MozFest is in London in the fall)
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tantek has anyone considered doing RSVPs via Twitter?
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tantek or has anyone actually done it? (indie or silo)
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tantek on another topic, I wonder if drewinthehead is considering implementing /facepiles for likes and reposts after the amazing response to https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions :)
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Loqi [Drew McLellan] Implementing Webmentions
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@sandi_batik #WPATX @WWCodeATX Thoughtful @wpmudev Post -What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZw5AC_re6I (twitter.com/_/status/887021683063836676)
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@sandi_batik #WPATX @WWCodeATX Thoughtful @wpmudev Post -What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress -https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/webmentions-annotations-web-standards/ (twitter.com/_/status/887024459697315840)
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loqi.me created /indie_map (+165) "prompted by aaronpk and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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@WorkingWriter My latest WPMUDev blog post, on #Webmentions and #WebAnnotations in WordPress. https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/webmentions-annotations-web-standards/?ptm=b (twitter.com/_/status/887039484730241024)
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[jeremycherfas] !tell Zegnat I think I have a solution but cannot test until tomorrow afternoon.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat Awesome jeremycherfas! I should be around tomorrow afternoon ;)
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sebastiangreger.net edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+158) "/* Berlin */ summer break, move to Thursday from September" (view diff)
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[jeremycherfas] See you then Zegnat.
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Zegnat sknebel, what’s that, you going to turn up at Virtual HWC from now on?! ^^^ :D
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Zegnat (woops, wrong channel)
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sknebel possibly ;)
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@hdv My blog now sends and receives Webmentions. Earlier I was setting up a cron job (which I never do) with vi (which I hardly ever use). (twitter.com/_/status/887057487836401664)
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tantek AMP << 2017-03-13 {{adactio}} <cite>[https://adactio.com/journal/12011 In AMP we trust]</cite>
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Loqi ok, I added "2017-03-13 {{adactio}} <cite>[https://adactio.com/journal/12011 In AMP we trust]</cite>" to the "See Also" section of /Accelerated_Mobile_Pages
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loqi.me edited /Accelerated_Mobile_Pages (+90) "tantek added "2017-03-13 {{adactio}} <cite>[https://adactio.com/journal/12011 In AMP we trust]</cite>" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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petermolnar how on earth is amp still a thing, it should have died instantly when people realised visitors don't get their sites any more
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tantek because superficial Google search results. I say superficial because you show up in the search results but get no traffic from those results (goes to Google cache AMP views, not your website views)
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petermolnar lol
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@mojagedbot "Implementing Webmentions" https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/887080289771671552)
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tantek FYI for anyone interested in serious plumbing discussions, IETF 99 is this week, agenda: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/99/agenda.txt
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tantek (also interesting example for "plain text" structured events)
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tantek (i.e. how to do events in plain text but without making up new punctuation nonsense the Markdown does for every new feature)
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aaronpk the OAuth group is meeting
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tantek I believe there are decent remote participation opportunities
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tantek was going to check out a few mysefl
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petermolnar challenge: parse that text with the shortest regex you can come up with
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