#dev 2017-07-28

2017-07-28 UTC
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gRegorLove Got it working on my site, woo!
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gRegorLove (And on a client's site for work)
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aaronpk ooo
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TheGillies Is an rsvp a webmention or is there a different rel= I need to add to my site to accept rsvps?
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aaronpk What is rsvp
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Loqi An RSVP is a reply to an event post that says whether the sender is or is not attending, might attend, or is just interested in the event https://indieweb.org/rsvp
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/rsvp#Accept_an_RSVP
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aaronpk itll look like a reply and there will be an additional property "rsvp"
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TheGillies > When you receive a webmention from a URL that is a reply (has an in-reply-to URL that is the event URL), also check if the entry contains an rsvp property.
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TheGillies So the answer is yes?
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aaronpk well it's not a different rel
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aaronpk just an additional property in the microformats
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TheGillies aaronpk: https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXdxqQCueMbBeMUrBe4Xhudp9QDHAg47o6yTxrQgpCBu9
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TheGillies who said anything about microformats? :P
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@mondo_rocks Testing for WebMention sake: https://words.desparoz.com/a-test-of-web-mentions-on-blot (twitter.com/_/status/890772361808453634)
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aaronpk Well then
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gregorlove.com edited /nanopub (+28) "dfn, period" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /IndieWebCamp_Dortmund (-38) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Events (+545) "update events for aug" (view diff)
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voxpelli Loving this: http://keepachangelog.com/en/1.0.0/
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voxpelli 1.0 just released
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Zegnat It took us this long to get to a stable changelog release?! ;)
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Ruxton haha!
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Loqi rofl
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Ruxton great changelog too
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Ruxton they should have promo things I can forward to companies that put out crap changelogs
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Zegnat maybe register changeyourchangelog.com, Ruxton?
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cweiske and again markdown
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cweiske :/
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Zegnat cweiske, does GitHub render anything else by default? I would not be surprised if the choice for the #-headers was made to get better display on GitHub. (Assuming you are still talking changelog)
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cweiske yes, changelog
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cweiske github also renders rst
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cweiske and other formats
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Zegnat Then I have no arguments either for or against it
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Ruxton cweiske: file an issue, imo they should seperate the format of the log away from the format of the text
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petermolnar cweiske https://gist.github.com/dupuy/1855764
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Ruxton beacuse https://puu.sh/wVcMs/f0d657235b.png all that should stand, regardless of the choice of presentation
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cweiske petermolnar, I already made my decision in that field
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petermolnar asciidoc?
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cweiske no, rst
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petermolnar ah
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petermolnar did you summarise why? I'm just curious.
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voxpelli keepachangelog never actually says you _should_ use Markdown and Markdown being the most widely used format for such files nowadays makes it the natural choice for examples
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cweiske no, I wrote no summary. it is: markdown is not enough for complexer documents that want .. tables, and it's fragmented. so I always use rST because I don't have to switch document formats once I need more structured elements
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voxpelli personally I think Markdown works great for readmes and changelogs
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petermolnar https://liw.fi/manpages/ - yeah, I'm going to stick to Pandoc compatible markdown
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@WebDesignbyBran Implementing Webmentions https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/890859882290741248)
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@BrandonsWebHost Implementing Webmentions https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/890859885973434368)
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Zegnat To be fair to cweiske’s criticism, petermolnar, you are sticking to a specific Markdown compiler that dictates what formats you can use (e.g. for tables) rather than saying you use just Markdown
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@ciudadanoB Ojalá cada vez hablemos más de Webmention → So long Disqus, hello Webmention https://nicolas-hoizey.com/2017/07/so-long-disqus-hello-webmentions.html vía @nhoizey (twitter.com/_/status/890862461741608960)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Events (-60) "Removing Nürnberg waiting on jkphl for confirmations." (view diff)
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petermolnar Zegnat there is no "just Markdown"
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petermolnar the Gruber Markdown is way to "simple" - stupid, one might say -, there is commonmark, flavours, markdown this, markdown that
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Zegnat Yeah, I think that is cweiske’s argument, re fragmentations. You have solved that by picking a specific interpreter/compiler/whatchamacallit
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petermolnar well... what I'm doing is more or less the github flavour markdown
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petermolnar ``` code blocks, definition lists, strikethrough, footnotes are the most important "extras", and sometimes I use link attribures ({.class #id}) to align images, that's all
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petermolnar I'm tempted to call it reasonable markdown
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cweiske markdown dialect #83
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cweiske :)
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petermolnar yeah, that could works as well :D
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petermolnar anyway, I could push this over to rst with pandoc, hence the reason for sticking to pandoc compatible format
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petermolnar cweiske how to you store meta? the one people using yaml in front of md for usually
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cweiske I did not yet have the need to store meta data
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cweiske for rst documents
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petermolnar all inline?
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cweiske I don't use rst for blog posts if that's what you mean
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petermolnar oh
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cweiske I write HTMl
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cweiske but I use rST to write large documents, e.g. http://cweiske.de/noxon-api.htm and http://cweiske.de/ouya-store-api-docs.htm
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dgold morning indiewebbers!
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jeremycherfas Mornig dgold.
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dgold hey jeremy - I've no idea why my response to your post shows up doubled -- but, nevertheless -- congratulations on getting webmentions working
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jeremycherfas Must be something to do with e-content and p-summary, or something like that. And my microformatting needs a lot of work too!
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Zegnat “microformatting” <3
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loqi.me created /Checkmention (+194) "prompted by Zegnat and dfn added by Zegnat" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Webmention (+19) "Zegnat added "[[Checkmention]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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dgold i'm seeing something odd in micropub.rocks
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dgold media point uploads in jpg and png are *fine*, but the gif upload returns Content Type Unknown
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@murb “On webmentions (and decentralisation in general)” https://murb.nl/articles/279-on-webmentions-and-decentralisation-in-general- #webmentions via @murb (twitter.com/_/status/890918791743496192)
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cweiske aaronpk, I cannot login to the wiki anymore with my id server
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aaronpk cweiske: what's happening? I made some CSS changes the other day but it should have been minor
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cweiske that problem is older
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cweiske but until now I had a permanent cookie for the wiki
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cweiske so it didn't bother me too much
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aaronpk Oh, not sure why the wiki cookie changed
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cweiske browser problem on my side
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aaronpk So what's missing with the IndieAuth login with your id server?
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cweiske indieauth.com crashes
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aaronpk wat crap
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aaronpk is there an issue already?
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cweiske Something went horribly wrong! I'm sorry, there's not much other information available. You should probably file an issue: https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues.
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cweiske since I don't have any more information, it might be https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/92 :)
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Loqi [cweiske] #92 Custom indieauth server login: Something went horribly wrong
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aaronpk k, I'll look
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cweiske but we'd need the logs at firtst
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@cynthiacoffield Implementing Webmentions https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions #cssTricks #webDesign (twitter.com/_/status/890950503479332865)
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@kevinmarks @Blot__ @desparoz That's from disqus, not webmention. To get webmentions from twitter you will need to set up brid.gy (twitter.com/_/status/890960954502111232)
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@redcrew What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/webmentions-annotations-web-standards/ ht @abrightclearweb (twitter.com/_/status/890962129200840705)
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@nhoizey @rachelandrew Thanks for the motivation to take the webmention road! https://nicolas-hoizey.com/2017/07/so-long-disqus-hello-webmentions.html (twitter.com/_/status/890968870747611136)
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tantek oh wow
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tantek "I’m fed up with Disqus. It’s been useful, easy to plug on this blog, but it’s a mess for web performance, and I don’t own my data, so… bye bye. "
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tantek does that count as a silo quit of sorts?
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tantek what is Disqus
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Loqi Disqus is a comments hosting silo https://indieweb.org/Disqus
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tantek well there its then
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tantek.com edited /next-hwc (+0) "next" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+0) "next hwc" (view diff)
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tantek reads https://github.com/w3ctag/distributed-content and sees an opportunity for anyone who wants to contribute pull requests re: h-entry, POSSE etc.
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Loqi [w3ctag] distributed-content: W3C TAG finding on distributed and syndicated content
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tantek.com edited /discovery (+48) "add see alsos from previous /Discoverability" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /this-week-in-the-indieweb (+126) "/* When */ first draft, last preview draft, PDT updated times" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /IWC_NYC (+25) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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cweiske aaronpk, did you check the indieauth.com logs?
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+85) "/* Brighton */ add +1/+0 to my votes" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh yeah
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aaronpk it looks like it got back a 400 response from your token endpoint. i don't see the body of the response in the logs tho
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cweiske a 400 from me
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cweiske hm
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cweiske "Validating token failed"
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cweiske seems the POST request misses the "state" parameter, aaronpk
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ascraeus.org edited /User:Ascraeus.org (+34) "/* My Indieweb Setup */" (view diff)
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aaronpk hmm i thought the state parameter was only supposed to be verified by the client and not sent in the token exchange https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6749#section-4.1.3
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cweiske hm. http://indieweb.org/authorization-endpoint#Auth_code_verification also does not mention it
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ascraeus.org edited /Webmention (+208) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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ascraeus.org edited /Micropub/Servers (+83) "/* Daniel Goldsmith */" (view diff)
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cweiske aaronpk, works fine now. thanks
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cweiske I've removed the state parameter from auth code verification in my code
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aaronpk great. i do still want to fix that error so that you actually see it
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ascraeus.org edited /Micropub/Servers (+104) "/* Daniel Goldsmith */" (view diff)
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aaronpk it's looking like august/september is going to be indieauth time for me
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aaronpk [eddie] have you checked out the new iOS API for OAuth? https://medium.com/the-traveled-ios-developers-guide/ios-11-privacy-and-single-sign-on-6291687a2ccc
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aaronpk i'm really curious if this can work with IndieAuth
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[eddie] aaronpk I haven’t looked at it too in-depth, my initial goal had been to get Indigenous out during iOS 10, so I was trying to ignore iOS 11 stuff until I got 1.0 out the door, however I’m getting very close to iOS 11 land. ? So, yeah that worked well.
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Loqi [eddie]: tantek left you a message 2 weeks ago: but if you have micro.blog access/account, can you then use the Micro.blog app with any Micropub server? (like your own site?)
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[eddie] From what I read initially I thought it was really focused on auto-sign in, but that article seems like ther emight be more to it
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[eddie] So I’ll definitely have to read up on it.
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aaronpk yeah i can't quite tell what it's actually doing under the hood
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aaronpk but the guy from google who's behind AppAuth (oauth for mobile apps) integrated it into their library
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aaronpk so that's a good sign
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[eddie] I think it’s for two main things: make people not worry about OAuth flow (which isn’t that hard) and help with auto-sign in if you have credentials stored in your iCloud Keychian
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[eddie] But there might be some extra goodies in it
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aaronpk their AppAuth library is meant to work with any OAuth 2 provider, which is why i'm thinking this might be useful
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[eddie] Ohhh interesting,
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[eddie] Yeah it could be
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aaronpk i'm not quite sure how this is different from SFSafariViewController which solved the problem of hopping out to external Safari
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[eddie] Exactly, that’s the part I haven’t figured out
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[eddie] Because that’s what Indigenous does right now
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aaronpk OHHH
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aaronpk crap
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aaronpk https://github.com/openid/AppAuth-iOS/issues/120
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Loqi [whitehatguy] #120 Impact of iOS 11 no longer providing shared cookies between Safari, Safari View Controller instances
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aaronpk well now i get it
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[eddie] ohhhhh
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[eddie] Yeah that makes sense. So I probably will need to switch to that for iOS 11
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aaronpk yep
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[eddie] Also, in regard to iOS indieweb frameworks, I think I’m going to just release a single indieweb iOS framework, because based on some stuff I’ve been reading, adding a lot of frameworks to an app has negative performance implications on bootup and other things.
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[eddie] Instead of my initial approach which was to try to do everything separate (relMe, IndieAuth, Micropub, mf2) like you might on the web for simplicity and performance sake, I’m gonna just have a single indieweb framework, at the most two potentially splitting it into two if there can be two clear groupings.
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aaronpk oh interesting
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aaronpk does this mean you're writing a ObjC/Swift microformats2 parser??
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aaronpk that one i think might be better published separately
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[eddie] Yeah, I had this feeling like Xcode didn’t want me having these things so modularized it felt like it was fighting against me and then I read up on some stuff around performance and frameworks and such. I haven’t yet, but it’s on the list…. probably the end of the list
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[eddie] Okay, so an mf2 parsing framework and an IndieWeb framework? that could make sense.
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[eddie] IndieWeb would then be IndieAuth, Micropub and RelMe stuff, which does all kind of work together well
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[eddie] like if you are doing IndieAuth it’s a good chance you’ll do Micropub, etc)
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aaronpk yeah that makes sense
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aaronpk what's the plan with the rel=me stuff?
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[eddie] That’s mainly around IndieAuth to find all the endpoints
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[eddie] https://github.com/EdwardHinkle/swift-RelLinkParser
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Loqi [EdwardHinkle] swift-RelLinkParser: A swift framework that parses HTTP Link Headers and HTML Rel Links from a URL
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aaronpk oh rel links, not specifically rel=me
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[eddie] oh yeah, that’s right
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aaronpk yeah makes sense
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[eddie] So yeah, I’m gonna merge that repo code into the IndieAuth one, rename it IndieWeb. Then put the micropub code in there and one day we can even put Microsub code in there ?
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aaronpk \o/
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gregorlove.com edited /Checkmention (+2) "link dfn" (view diff)
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TheGillies what is microsub?
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Loqi Microsub is an early draft of a spec that provides a standardized way for clients to consume and interact with feeds collected by a server https://indieweb.org/microsub
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TheGillies is that like micropub + websub?
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aaronpk kinda
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aaronpk the idea is it's a client-to-server API like micropub, but for consuming content instead of creating content
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aaronpk the microsub server would be the one subscribing to feeds via websub or whatever, and then normalizes it for the client to consume
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aaronpk to make it easier to build clients for reading content, so they don't have to deal with feed parsing directly
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TheGillies nice another verb for my rdf indieweb ontology :P
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TheGillies <> <https://indieweb.org/microsub> <http://kodo.fairuse.org/microsub> .
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TheGillies <> is current document in n3
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