#dev 2017-08-01

2017-08-01 UTC
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Ruxton aaronpk: just wondering if you'd had a chance to deploy that last fix to Ownyourgram i did for video files?
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aaronpk totally forgot, sorry
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aaronpk just pushed it now tho
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aaronpk i've been heads down in another project
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Ruxton no problemo, cheers
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GWG Hello, Ruxton.
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GWG I owe you a PR review
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Ruxton waves
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Ruxton GWG: I just saw a minor error in it that i'll fix up - calling non-static method as static
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GWG Ruxton: I just returned from being away. Catching up on things. I have two PRs that I need to review and merge. Yours and miklb's. I may make some modifications, but I'll wait on the fix.
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Ruxton fix is in ;)
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GWG Okay
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GWG Ruxton, anything more in the pipeline?
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[miklb] what did I do?
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[miklb] oh.
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Ruxton nah not atm
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GWG [miklb]: I was commenting on my now being behind on things.
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[miklb] I’d say in the grand scheme, you’re way ahead still. You’ve pushed a lot of great features so far this year.
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GWG [miklb]: Yes, but I haven't accomplished all of my goals.
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[miklb] still 5 months left in the year!
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GWG We need another IWC
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Ruxton aaronpk: sending in another small patch just now, as I missed the section for post again
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aaronpk oops
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aaronpk if i was paying attention i would have caught that :)
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aaronpk Ruxton: deployed your fix!
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Ruxton aaronpk: ?
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TheGillies https://ipfs.io/ipns/Qmc9UjSn1TksQdMsDKrNgbwLhAtWZ1J9Cu4it4addUEpwC/posts/heatwave/
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aaronpk i wrote a reply but theree was no webmention endpoint
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aaronpk if that page had microformats then it'd show up as a little preview above my post on my reply https://aaronparecki.com/2017/07/31/18/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] For real! I decided to move Homebrew Website Club to next week so people don't get heat stroke trying to go downtown. You should come to the next one!
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TheGillies aaronpk: I'll add microfotmats to my theme
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TheGillies microformats*
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TheGillies I should add webmention support too
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Ruxton https://ignite.digitalignition.net/2017/07/17/96926/ huzzah instagram videos !
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Loqi [Ruxton] #96926
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Ruxton not a nice video though :P
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aaronpk yay glad that's fixed!
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TheGillies aaronpk: fixed my link on http://kodo.fairuse.org/posts/heatwave/
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Loqi Holy heatwave batman
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TheGillies y u no link my p-author loqi
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TheGillies I wonder if there's a way to put author inside h-entry without displaying text on the page
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aaronpk There's a couple tricks to that
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TheGillies I have a reverse proxy on nginx pointing to my IPFS daemon running on localhost that matches my IPNS key
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aaronpk what is authorship?
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Loqi authorship is how to determine who the author(s) of a post are https://indieweb.org/authorship
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aaronpk Thats how people determine the author, one of those involves getting the author info from a separate page
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TheGillies I have author info in sidebar
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TheGillies but it's no in the h-entry
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TheGillies not*
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TheGillies if you look in post html there is an class='h-card p-author' on the same page
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aaronpk My author info is in the footer instead of in the h-entry so I have an invisible <a href="/" class="u-author"></a> inside the h-entry
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TheGillies testing: http://kodo.fairuse.org/posts/heatwave/
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Loqi Holy heatwave batman
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TheGillies bollocks
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TheGillies i wonder if loqi caches
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TheGillies or just hates my site
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aaronpk I think loqi caches
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TheGillies testing: http://kodo.fairuse.org/posts/first-post/
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Loqi First Post
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TheGillies nope it just hates me
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TheGillies I had href='../../'
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TheGillies because it needs relative links into order to display on an ipfs gateway
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TheGillies my domain is just a reverse proxy
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aaronpk Relative links should be fine
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TheGillies because domains are just an ICANN conspiracy
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aaronpk hm what's that authorship tool
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TheGillies authorship tool?
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aaronpk This one https://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me
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TheGillies i think i broke it... it just keeps spinning heh
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TheGillies this is why we can't have nice things
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TheGillies >Add a u-url property which matches a rel=me link on the same page so this h-card can be identified as the h-card which represents the page.
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TheGillies dafuq does this even mean
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TheGillies test: http://kodo.fairuse.org/posts/post-nap-time/
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Loqi [Tyler Gillies] Post nap time
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TheGillies YAAASSSSSS!!!!
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TheGillies does it cache? http://kodo.fairuse.org/posts/first-post/
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Loqi [Tyler Gillies] First Post
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TheGillies woo it grabs it fresh
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TheGillies http://kodo.fairuse.org/posts/indieweb/
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Loqi [Tyler Gillies] IndieWeb magick with static sites and IPFS
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cweiske TheGillies, the ipfs link is broken
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cweiske ipfs resolve -r /ipns/Qmc9UjSn1TksQdMsDKrNgbwLhAtWZ1J9Cu4it4addUEpwC/posts/indieweb/ipfs.io: no link named "ipfs.io" under QmNmJzrsh8YPR7xoZoFjvuiMzbTpa5VcwTDGKkwPdx5oZD
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TheGillies cweiske: why are you appending /ipfs.io?
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cweiske TheGillies, I did not
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TheGillies $ ipfs resolve -r /ipns/Qmc9UjSn1TksQdMsDKrNgbwLhAtWZ1J9Cu4it4addUEpwC/posts/indieweb
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TheGillies /ipfs/QmNmJzrsh8YPR7xoZoFjvuiMzbTpa5VcwTDGKkwPdx5oZD
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cweiske the ipfs link on your blog post is broken
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cweiske the protocol is missing AFAIK
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TheGillies ?
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cweiske let me take a screenshot just for you
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TheGillies oooh
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TheGillies good catch
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TheGillies I get it now
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TheGillies I'll update
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TheGillies thnx
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cweiske http://fotos.cweiske.de/screenshots/2017/2017-08-01%20ipfs%20link%20broken.png
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cweiske same for indieweb.org
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TheGillies yep
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TheGillies Im updating that one too
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TheGillies It's because I'm lazy
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TheGillies and just put hostname in markdown heh
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TheGillies ok fixed now
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cweiske just had a 502 Bad Gateway on your domain
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TheGillies weird
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TheGillies I haven't seen that yet
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TheGillies ipns is godawful slow tho
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Ruxton I was hitting it to
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TheGillies is the only downside
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Ruxton so possibly it coudln't handle all that :)
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cweiske but ipfs.io says its faster than http!
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TheGillies IPNS != IPFS
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TheGillies ipns is a ipfs-based dns that looks up ipfs hash for a given static key
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Ruxton couldn't you not use IPNS and just update the hash in nginx on deploy?
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TheGillies Ruxton: I could but then my site wouldn't be updated for my key
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TheGillies I'm trying to make my site equally accessible on a gateway as it is on my domain
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TheGillies people would need to know the hash of every publish if I didn't publish to the static key
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TheGillies Also the current way I don't need to even connect to server. I can publish with whatever device has private IPNS key
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TheGillies my domain is essentially just a mirror
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Ruxton ahh yup, can you cache IPNS result so you're not looking it up EVERY time?
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cweiske I also was to ask about caching
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TheGillies I believe it does caching
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Ruxton you can also turn nginx file caching on if you wanted to
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TheGillies But I've been updating site so it's breaking cache
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Ruxton nods
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TheGillies IPFS filecoin is having an ICO next week so maybe they'll speed up IPNS with all that investor money
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Ruxton or run away with it, who knows :P
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TheGillies they are following SEC regulation and only seeking accredited investors. They are being vouched for by some big names
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TheGillies so if they try and run they will have a nice chase :P
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Ruxton well that's good news, some of these ICO's seems sketchy at best
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TheGillies The SEC ruled last week that ICOs fall under SEC regulation and that they have to play by the book or risk legal persecution
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TheGillies prosecution
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Ruxton wasn't aware of that, but that regulation is per-country, so there's still many countries where that wont hold
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Ruxton ASIC (Aus's SEC) said they're 'Unlikely' to regulate ICOs
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loqi.me created /native (+16) "prompted by tantek_ and dfn added by tantek_" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Facebook_Messenger (+892) "expand dfn, web and native, why, Criticism, App Updates Without Specific Reasons, See Also" (view diff)
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petermolnar about ipfs... let's say you manage to do relative urls for urls in the text but what about the head/meta urls? do those even make sense being relative? canonical certainly doesn't.
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Loqi petermolnar: jeremycherfas left you a message 18 hours, 36 minutes ago: When you looked at the description of Grav’s honey pot field https://learn.getgrav.org/forms/forms/fields-available#the-honeypot-field did you get the impression that no further processing is actually necessary?
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petermolnar !tell jeremycherfas no, I think you just add it, and that's all, but since I never tried, I can't be sure.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas Thanks petermolnar. That’s my impression too.
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jeremycherfas Will release it into the wild later today and wait for disaster to striek.
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mblaney thanks voxpelli
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Loqi mblaney: voxpelli left you a message 20 hours, 58 minutes ago: fyi, just tested a new indie-config setup on a fresh Firefox on my new MacBook – worked great :)
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mblaney yeah it only affects Firefox on Linux :-( I'd like to think that one day I'll be inspired enough to jump into the source code and try and track it down...
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sknebel petermolnar: depends? I guess below the same root a relative canonical makes sense. if it is somewhere else, then including it in IPFS is no problem?
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sknebel (although an absolute canonical relation is better, e.g. if people save it without the original URL or worse copy it to a different location without adjusting)
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@developerhcnews So long Disqus, hello Webmention https://nicolas-hoizey.com/2017/07/so-long-disqus-hello-webmentions.html (twitter.com/_/status/892340422223286272)
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@SecNewsBot Hacker News - So long Disqus, hello Webmention https://nicolas-hoizey.com/2017/07/so-long-disqus-hello-webmentions.html (twitter.com/_/status/892341566215467008)
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@ryf_feed So long Disqus, hello Webmention https://nicolas-hoizey.com/2017/07/so-long-disqus-hello-webmentions.html (twitter.com/_/status/892341639070576640)
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jeremycherfas Followed advice from zegnat and made the honeypot visible, in order to fill it in. Worked perfectly, and even gave a good message: “Are you a bot?” So, going into the wild ASAP. Just as soon as I delete the old data file for comments.
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cweiske which url?
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jeremycherfas Who, me?
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cweiske yep
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jeremycherfas Just checking first. Will post when I’m happy with it.
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jeremycherfas Cweiske: any of the blog posts under https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/
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jeremycherfas Please don’t break it.
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jeremycherfas But if it can be broken, then yes, do so.
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[tantek] Wow OS X 10.12.6 includes a ton of security fixes
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eli_oat Hark! zegnat - thanks for the help, DOMDocument did the trick
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@rubygems jekyll-webmention_io (2.6.2): This Gem includes a suite of tools for managing webmentions in Jekyll: * Tags -… https://rubygems.org/gems/jekyll-webmention_io (twitter.com/_/status/892405655910449152)
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@jeremiak @michaelccata @mcwm Ha, definitely RSS and webmentions :P (twitter.com/_/status/892419140576845824)
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sknebel https://twitter.com/mattiasgeniar/status/892446659245993984
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@mattiasgeniar Mastodon: the social network that accidentally DDoS's your server with every link you share. (every instance crawls the page individually) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGKbcq8W0AAvD6S.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/892446659245993984)
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sknebel wonders if other /readers cause the same effect
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aaronpk it happens when you tweet a link on twitter too tho
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aaronpk there are *so many* bots that fetch tweets from the streaming api
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[kevinmarks] isn't that exactly what websub was supposed to avoid?
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aaronpk it's just less obvious because they don't all have clean user agents
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aaronpk [kevinmarks]: i think this is more about the servers fetching a link-preview of shared links rather than fetching the post itself for a reader
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[kevinmarks] ah, I see
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[kevinmarks] so they'd need a shared cache somewhere like telegram?
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aaronpk shared cache what?
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[kevinmarks] the link-preview
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aaronpk like I said, this happens when you post a link on twitter too. I'm not sure you can do much about bots fetching your link when you share it.
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sknebel "can't avoid it happening" as a site owner is different from someone designing the system doing it though
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sknebel I'm not quite sure if the trust model of mastodon requires everyone fetching the preview
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@pheylin Implementing Webmentions https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/892461666159480835)
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[kevinmarks] This is really interesting https://blog.cloudflare.com/the-cuban-cdn/
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