#dev 2017-09-04

2017-09-04 UTC
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gRegorLove wget: 2 minutes, 7 seconds.
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gRegorLove Appears to be something related to ipv6. When I add --inet4-only it's 3 seconds
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aaronpk Whoa weird
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jeremycherfas !tell manton No problem with micro.blog; just an observation. The problem is with the feed I am sending.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas Is there some general magic to getting HTML into a PHP string? My literal seems to stop when it encounters <a> but if I escape with \<a\> then the backslashes are included. Is there an equivalent to the reverse of strip_tags, or similar?
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aaronpk Try using single quotes like '</a>'
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jeremycherfas Within double quotes, so “text ‘<a>’ linktext”
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aaronpk Oh no
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aaronpk "hello <a>" is fine like that
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aaronpk What do you mean it "stops"?
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jeremycherfas I have to go out now. Will resule later with more details/ Thanks aaronpk
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jeremycherfas *resume
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tantek aaronpk - point being (re: persontags) that there are multiple problems with representing multi-photos
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tantek or rather, anything beyond "simple" multi-photos where all the other "stuff" on the post by default applies to *every* photo in a multi-photo (e.g. person-tags, tags, comments, likes etc.)
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tantek as soon as you want to do *anything* special per-photo in a multi-photo (e.g. caption, tag, person-tag, etc.) then it really is more than one post
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tantek because it's important to keep posts simple
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aaronpk I guess it's a parent h-entry for the main post, with its caption and date and such, then a bunch of child h-entrys for the individual images, where they only have a couple properties like the photo itself and the person tags
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aaronpk that would also allow specific ordering of photos mixed with videos
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tantek yeah you could use hierarchical h-entry(s) like that
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tantek then it's odd for each h-entry to not have its own permalink though
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aaronpk Possibly
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aaronpk it depends on whether each has its own URL in the UI
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tantek unless you want to discourage (disallow?) responses to the individual h-entry photos
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aaronpk if it does, then it sounds more like an album really
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aaronpk like on Flickr
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tantek exactly! that's why I kept saying you want a photo album
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aaronpk but instagram multi photos don't behave like albums at all
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tantek no there's lots of overlap
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tantek also it depends on what you consider the "essential" aspects of an album
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aaronpk you can't add a description to the individual photos, and you can't later add a photo to another album
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tantek you can't edit notes on Twitter but they're still notes
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aaronpk those are both aspects of how albums on Flickr work
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tantek "can't add a description" is not really a good argument, the counter is that you *can* add per-photo person-tags
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tantek thus you *can* add *some* per-photo information
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tantek that's the essential bit
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tantek not "you can add *all* types of info per-photo"
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tantek Flickr just has more more features in their album support
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aaronpk I think the essential "album" bit for me is whether a photo can exist in multiple albums
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aaronpk probably because I use that on Flickr often
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tantek yes that seems like a Flickrism
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tantek certainly physical photos can only be in a single photo album each :P
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aaronpk heh
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tantek another thing to possibly look into is how IG cross-posts a multi-photo post to FB
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tantek I have seen them occasionally (on FB, from IG)
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aaronpk I'm kind of leaning towards adding support for multiphotos that contain only photos, and just skipping posts that also include videos for now
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aaronpk cause I'm pretty happy with my implementation of simple multi photos for now
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aaronpk manton just added multi photos to micro.blog as well so we'll have some people using it pretty quick
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jeremycherfas is resuming
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jeremycherfas So this $mydescription = "PESOS from '<a>'"; results in this PESOS from ''
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aaronpk What do you mean "results in"
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jeremycherfas And this $mydescription = "PESOS from <a>"; results in PESOS from
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aaronpk if you're displaying that string as HTML then that's correct because there is an empty <a> tag with no content in it
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jeremycherfas When I simply echo $mydescription;
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aaronpk Echo to a browser?
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jeremycherfas Yes.
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aaronpk Right that's why
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jeremycherfas That’s perobably it. I am a dunce. Let me try in term
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aaronpk the browser is interpreting it as HTML
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tantek jeremycherfas: what is the <a> for?
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tantek what are you trying to achieve?
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jeremycherfas That’s it aaronpk. I am a dunce.
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aaronpk If you view source in the browser you'll see the tag too
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jeremycherfas Tantek: I am trying to build a link that contains a variable as the link text.
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tantek jeremycherfas: presumably you also want the link to actually be clickable right? you need an 'href' attribute for that inside the <a> like <a href="http://example.com/>
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tantek (with a closing " lol - see it's too easy to make markup errors ;) )
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tantek no dunces here, just everyone learning different things :)
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jeremycherfas Yes, I’ll get there in the end. But building my thing in very small stages.
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tantek.com edited /create_event (+3788) "move FB event creation UI documentation from [[create#Facebook]], emojicon" (view diff)
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tantek incremental building is a very practical approach
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tantek.com edited /create_event (+267) "Google Calendar" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /create () "(-1841) move FB create event details to separate page for create event because it's pretty different in practice from creating notes" (view diff)
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tantek jeremycherfas, sometimes very small stages themselves can be a big challenge
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jeremycherfas Tell me about it.
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tantek I'm still trying to figure out what small improvement I can make to my site for Wednesday's HWC SF
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tantek consider yourself in good company :)
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tantek going to go offline for a bit to think about it to see if I come up with something minimal / doable, perhaps from my itches list.
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jeremycherfas OK, so this $mydescription = 'PESOS from <a href="' . $result['guid'] .'"'. '>reading.am</a>';
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jeremycherfas Results in the perfect HTML of <a href="https://www.reading.am/p/4Njk/https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2017/09/03/Murder-chez-Hitler">reading.am</a>
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jeremycherfas Which is exactly what I want.
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jeremycherfas But then
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jeremycherfas This $known['body'] = json_encode(array(["body"=>$mylink], ["description"=>$mydescription]));
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jeremycherfas No, ignore that.
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jeremycherfas So, let’s see what happens when I post that. I’m hoping Known won’t take it upon itself to strip the tags.
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Zegnat crosses fingers for jeremycherfas
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jeremycherfas Thanks zegnat. Didn’t quite do it. I can now send a clean link, removing the reading.am stuff. $result['link'] But no luck putting the PESOS stuff into description.
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jeremycherfas A task for tomorrow.
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Zegnat Is there a description of the Known API somewhere?
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jeremycherfas Not in great details, and it doesn’t give a bookmark example. But you are supoposed to be able to GET the details from any endpoint. So that’s where I will go tomorrow.
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jeremycherfas Gotta go. A domani.
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+2106) "/* Working On */ some ideas for small improvements: Display RSVPs summary, Display likes facepile on events, Display reposts facepile on events" (view diff)
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tantek those are a few small ideas, going to see how feasible each is. maybe I'll try one today
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snarfed tantek++ i'd love to see more responses on your site! esp since it's so often taken as an (unofficial) indieweb example
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tantek snarfed heh, no pressure, I get it. ?
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tantek.com edited /rsvps (+2133) "existing FB event posts screenshots have some RSVP info, might as well include those here" (view diff)
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