#dev 2017-09-05

2017-09-05 UTC
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bear this webmention.rocks test #23 is seriously pissing me off
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bear I have restructured my test code to only do a single GET and it still returns a 404
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[miklb] pours bear a nice cup of tea.
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bear thanks [miklb] ++
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bear [miklb]++
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Loqi miklb has 9 karma in this channel (45 overall)
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snarfed bear: consider just being incomplete. pretty much all spec implementations are anyway. :P
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bear this is in the test code for ronkyuu to make sure I don't break something
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bear so I don't want to consider it not supporting something that is an Official Test
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snarfed eh. you can always choose not to support something
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bear grrr :)
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snarfed not ideal obviously, but priorities and tradeoffs
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bear i'm also curious is if this is some PHPism that has snuck into what has been up until now a very language agnostic test
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bear ok, have a basic test that is at least now returning 400 invalid_target
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Ruxton aaronpk: posted a photo from my photos stream and OWG went down
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aaronpk lolwut
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Ruxton gateway timing out now
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aaronpk Must be specific to your account
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aaronpk i was just able to log in
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Ruxton it happened on Friday too, came back today and all was good for 2 posts
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aaronpk will take a look in a few, just heading back to my hotel
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Ruxton nods
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aaronpk What URL are you hitting where you see the timeout?
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Ruxton I'd just posted a photo and it tmed out on refreshing of feed
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Ruxton following that, trying to just hit /photos would time out
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Ruxton i dropped my session cookie and was able to log back in
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aaronpk I wonder if it's timing out trying to talk to Instagram
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Ruxton yeah that might make sense, started doing it again ;)
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Ruxton and then was ok
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aaronpk That's one of the nice things about PHP, you can't really crash the whole app
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bear ah, I think my problem with following that redirect is that I follow the redirect and also query it for webmention endpoint
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bear bah - that's a 404
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bear so I get now, depending on each of the tests a 400, 404 and 410
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aaronpk 410 means the code in the URL is expired
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aaronpk 404 is probably incorrect relative resolution
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bear all the tests run very quickly
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bear I have a super simple python app to test now
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bear GET https://webmention.rocks/test/23/page returns 200 after redirecting once (a 302) to page/XnA0D6zEUIs2st1bG5kb which is resolved to https://webmention.rocks/test/23/page/XnA0D6zEUIs2st1bG5kb
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Loqi [Webmention Rocks!] Discovery Test #23
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bear now the GET shows a webmention endpoint of https://webmention.rocks/test/23/webmention-endpoint/sV83Xd5GGFPARvuwIXRl
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bear son of a bitch
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bear the whole issue was because I was sending the webmention payload of the redirected target url and not the original
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aaronpk oh i thought i said that yesterday
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bear you probably did but my brain was down a couple rabbit holes and I didn't get context right
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bear ok, now that I have a one-off that works, now I can see if ronkyuu needs any tweaks
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aaronpk Ruxton: so i see the timeouts in the logs, but I don't understand why it's not timing out still
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aaronpk also what's your IG username? can't find anything in ownyourgram that matches "ruxton"
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Ruxton aaronpk: instagram username is rhythmnpoetry
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jeremycherfas !tell schmarty Re audiogram: you may find this interesting https://github.com/nypublicradio/audiogram/issues/63#issuecomment-327141904
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [jeremycherfas] Still happening even with redis and deleting `.jobs` On another try, I noticed that `.jobs` was continuing to update, and at the end of the process contained ```` {"jobs":[],"f26ccae0-9229-11e7-86ef-4b62a4f0a8fe":{"status":"ready","numFrames":84...
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schmarty Morning, -dev
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Loqi schmarty: jeremycherfas left you a message 37 minutes ago: Re audiogram: you may find this interesting https://github.com/nypublicradio/audiogram/issues/63#issuecomment-327141904
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schmarty !tell jeremycherfas I have definitely seen that error, and discovered like you did that processing was happening just fine despite the status updates failing. The BBC fork has pretty much always given me this error but produced a video eventually
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas Zegnat: I managed to GET a return from the various WithKnown endpoints, and I am trying to make sense of them
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Loqi jeremycherfas: schmarty left you a message 2 hours, 36 minutes ago: I have definitely seen that error, and discovered like you did that processing was happening just fine despite the status updates failing. The BBC fork has pretty much always given me this error but produced a video eventually
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jeremycherfas schmarty: I remained convinced that it is all magic.
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jeremycherfas Zegnat: The key point, I think, is that the payload must be a "JSON encoded string of variables"
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jeremycherfas I guess that means that when I construct $known['body'] I have to make sure that the Description I want to send is the second element.
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jeremycherfas Still trying to POST to Withknown. This shows what Known expects from a POST https://gist.github.com/jeremycherfas/e308e262da66382c69f6719c4e135b7b
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jeremycherfas But I get an error back shown in the comment https://gist.github.com/jeremycherfas/e308e262da66382c69f6719c4e135b7b#gistcomment-2194246
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jeremycherfas Shouldn't json_encode create and object rather than a string?
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sknebel jeremycherfas: no, json_encode turns an object into a JSON string. how are you generating what you send and how do you send it?
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jeremycherfas The object is an array
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jeremycherfas Can I share a gist of the PHP with you?
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sknebel sure
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jeremycherfas Hang on.
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jeremycherfas OK, forgive the very rudimentary code. This is where I create the payload https://gist.github.com/jeremycherfas/cf450042b2a0a2660096fd6187b9a3d6#file-bookmark-to-known-L65
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sebsel We all start with rudimentary code :)
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sebsel jeremycherfas You are aware you just shared your Known API key? Better change that now.
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sknebel jeremycherfas: do you have any docs on the API? according to https://phyks.me/2015/01/publishing-through-the-known-api.html, the API examples use objects/dicts, not arrays?
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sebsel In that case, it would be something like: $mybody = ['link' => $mylink, 'description' => $mydescription]; // array to send
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jeremycherfas A message payload containing the variables expected by the handler, if applicable. This may be in the format of URL encoded variable strings, or a JSON encoded string of variables.
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jeremycherfas From http://docs.withknown.com/en/latest/developers/plugins/api/
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jeremycherfas Let me read that other one.
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sknebel I'd read the docs the same way, although they annoyingly don't show an example of a JSON request
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ben_thatmustbeme what is mixi?
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Loqi Mixi.jp is a popular content hosting silo and activity aggregator which is the most popular social network in Japan https://indieweb.org/Mixi
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ben_thatmustbeme oops, wrong room
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jeremycherfas If I send just the link as a single element in the json_decode, it works OK.
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sknebel weird, might be a special case for bookmarks. the examples in the docs clearly show key:value pairs being send ( that's the only thing you can do in formencoded)
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sknebel so I'd try a json dict/object
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jeremycherfas That other page is very informative. I should look at the API tester.
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@t_a_pierce #MondayMotivation #amwriting #writers #authors #writing #indieauth https://twitter.com/t_a_pierce/status/905106912794071041/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/905106912794071041)
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snarfed sebsel: just fyi your wm endpoint is returning HTTP 302, which makes bridgy think it failed. https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1504630212&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lySgsSCFJlc3BvbnNlIjx0YWc6dHdpdHRlci5jb20sMjAxMzo5MDQ5OTM2NzM5NjM4MTA4MTZfZmF2b3JpdGVkX2J5XzcyMDU4NjIM
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Zegnat snarfed, feels like https://github.com/w3c/webmention/issues/89
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Loqi [aaronpk] #89 what should senders do when they receive a 3xx response from the webmention endpoint?
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snarfed Zegnat: yup, iirc i asked aaronpk the same thing when i saw wm.io do it, which prompted that issue
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snarfed (it's both unusual in the wild and not in the spec :P)
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Zegnat Is it unusual? I thought several people with input boxes for URLs (like sebsel has) do the redirect? You would know though, I guess, you have the data :P
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snarfed yup, unusual. web forms are the most common cause, but afaik only the minority handle automated wms and interactive form posts with the same code path
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snarfed sebsel may be one
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sebsel snarfed Hmz, I have no idea why it 302ed. It should not do that.
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sebsel aaa, I see. I changed the URL.
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sebsel And because of the way I used Kirby's router, it hits that redirect when it tries to find the Page-object that corresponds to the URL via the router.
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sknebel that routing seems to give you troubles a lot
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sebsel does a Bridgy recrawl
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sebsel yes, I really need to fix that.
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sebsel It's ugly code anyway
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sebsel re-crawling my site does not make Brid.gy see the new URL
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sebsel (Better to fix it on my end anyway)
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sebsel should bridgy detect those changes?
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snarfed doesn't follow, mind restating the problem?
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snarfed also gotta run, back in 20
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sebsel oh no, what have I done. I now get all webmentions twice, because I changed the URL.
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sebsel I will try and capture this in a Github Issue, then see what parts are wrong and where.
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sebsel snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/769 :)
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Loqi [sebsel] #769 Changing URLs (use uid)
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snarfed sebsel: thanks! out of curiosity, should your site have de-duped the wms? since it knows the two target URLs are the same post
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sebsel Well, it redirects now
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sebsel But if it didn't, it would dedupe right after.
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sebsel Since it finds the same post, and then handles the webmention on that post.
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snarfed but it didn't actually de-dupe them...?
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sebsel No, it did.
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sebsel You can see 15 likes on https://seblog.nl/2017/09/05/2/nblijmegen and brid.gy did send all of them twice, once for the old, once for the new URL.
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snarfed i'm confused. so the problem is just that bridgy sent dupes at all, which could be avoided?
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Loqi [Sebastiaan Andeweg] #hliversum #nijmegen Maar zo kan hij ook.
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sebsel So it did dedupe.
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sebsel Hm, yeah, interesting point.
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snarfed great! ok. bridgy sometimes sends more than one wm POST even for the same target URL. preventing some or all of those isn't a high priority right now, since receivers are expected to handle them.
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sebsel No it does not seem like a priority indeed, now that you say this.
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snarfed also bridgy only occasionally fetches target URLs, and to de-dupe by uid, it would always have to fetch them, which i'm unlikely to add
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sebsel No I guess it's fine to have brid.gy know multiple URLs of posts.
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sebsel So then I just need to fix my bug. We can close the issue then.
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snarfed ok! thanks for explaining
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sebsel well, thanks for Bridgy :)
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[kevinmarks] Also, if you have changed the urls permanently, use 301 not 302
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tantek nice article that I think I missed when it was first published (was in Paris for CSSWG f2f I think) https://perchrunway.com/blog/2017-08-01-being-part-of-the-indieweb
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Loqi Rachel Andrew
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