#dev 2017-09-06

2017-09-06 UTC
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@pypi_updates2 ronkyuu 0.6: Webmention Manager http://pypi.python.org/pypi/ronkyuu/0.6 (twitter.com/_/status/905221765235957760)
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snarfed bear++
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aaronpk ooh nice
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aaronpk bear++
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bear :) webmention.rocks test #23 was "fun"
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snarfed also you might want to translate your pypi readme to ReST since it doesn't render markdown :P
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bear ugh - that's been on my todo list for a long time
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snarfed try this, i use it for granary etc, works great:
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snarfed pandoc --from=markdown --to=rst | sed -E 's/```/`/; s/`` </ </'
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bear that is a handy oneliner
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bear snarfed++
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@John316Network https://booklaunch.io/llwroberts/thedoor - The Door is free. #IARTG #Kindleebooks #mustread #readers #Kindletouch #indieauth #IAN1pic.twitter.com/8LCenVAYrJ (twitter.com/_/status/905254021505490944)
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@iAWriter @admung https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/ (twitter.com/_/status/905350373501689856)
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sebsel Oh hey, iAWriter hints to Micropub, not a wasted day of 100daysofIndieweb after all :D https://seblog.nl/2017/03/03/1/day-39-inquiring-about-micropub
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Loqi [Sebastiaan Andeweg] Day 39: inquiring about Micropub
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[colinwalker] Interesting. I'm on the iOS beta list for version 5 so will watch out for it and give them a few extra nudges during testing.
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jeremycherfas Looking forward to throwing myself on the mercy of vHWC in 10 minutes time to sort out my posting to Known woes.
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[colinwalker] I really need to get to one some day, if only I didn't have to work ?
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petermolnar jeremycherfas I've joined vhwc but given I'm still at work, I'm in listening mode, sorry
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jeremycherfas Understood petermolnar
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tantek sebsel, [colinwalker], probably worth responding to that tweet with +1 type requests for micropub support
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schmarty jeremycherfas: the "JSON_UNESCAPED_SLASHES" php bitmask flag for json_encode will prevent php from escaping "/" characters
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tantek also, aaronpk you may want to respond to https://twitter.com/iAWriter/status/905353916514050048 noting the full list of numerous server, software, and service implementations
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@iAWriter @admung It's chicken and egg. If platforms start using the standard, so will third-party apps. (twitter.com/_/status/905353916514050048)
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schmarty https://secure.php.net/manual/en/function.json-encode.php
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tantek "platforms" sigh
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sebsel tantek I did like it already. But yeah, a +1 might be good.
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aaronpk I wonder if there are any micro.blog users who also like iAWriter
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tantek sebsel I mean an actual @-reply
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tantek so it shows up in the threading as specific broader public support
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tantek sebsel - like you already wrote your awesome blog post https://seblog.nl/2017/03/03/1/day-39-inquiring-about-micropub
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Loqi [Sebastiaan Andeweg] Day 39: inquiring about Micropub
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sebsel Working on a text :)
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tantek so that's a perfect excuse to @-reply to that tweet and re-emphasize that iA Writer is your all time favorite, would be great to see it support Micropub and link to your post!
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sebsel But I'm the original feature-requester :P
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sebsel I have the e-mail somewhere
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tantek sebsel - you're allowed to ask once every six months :D
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sebsel tantek: Loqi doesn't see it, but: https://twitter.com/Sebsel/status/905461355720867841
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@Sebsel @iAWriter @admung My blog supports this already (and Wordpress does too with a plugin), so +1 for Micropub support in iA Writer! :) http://indieweb.org/micropub (twitter.com/_/status/905461355720867841)
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tantek sebsel++
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[colinwalker] tantek I'll pursue it through the beta, I don't use Twitter any more.
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tantek [colinwalker]: whoa
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tantek when did you quit Twitter? add yourself to https://indieweb.org/silo-quits !
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[colinwalker] I'm still "there" just deleted all tweets and set to private. It was Dec last year. Does that count?
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[kevinmarks] deleting all tweets is pretty severe. did you export first?
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petermolnar there is a state between using and quit: ephemeral
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petermolnar which is what I'm doing as well
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[colinwalker] kevinmarks Nope!
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petermolnar deleted all, sometimes using it - same as fb - and regularly delete the new ones as well
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petermolnar those without backup
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[kevinmarks] wow. whihc reminds me I should export mine again.
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petermolnar I did a backup before the big clean, but only to go through them, and move the relevant links and such to my site
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[colinwalker] I use it for the occasional search but that's all.
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petermolnar what is silo-as-ephemeral?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "silo-as-ephemeral" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek [colinwalker]: yes that definitely counts
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[colinwalker] Cool. I add myself when I get home ?
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tantek even if you just left everything there and stopped using it - that would count. but especially if you made a public declaration of your "don't use anymore" - like you did above on IRC :D
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[colinwalker] I've blogged about it various times as well.
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tantek great - definitely link to all those in your entry on /silo-quits!
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GWG Hello
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[colinwalker] Hey
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GWG How goes the indiework?
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[kevinmarks] hm quill isn't seeing my syndication choices on known
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jeremycherfas [kevinmarks] It has never seen mine!
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[kevinmarks] it saw them before
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jeremycherfas As ever, YMMV
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[kevinmarks] the login on my phone has them, but not the desktop
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[kevinmarks] currently learning about FHIR
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[kevinmarks] which is a standard for health records that includes embedded html for human readable text: https://www.hl7.org/fhir/narrative.html
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snarfed [kevinmarks]: i have a bit of FHIR experience, it's a noble cause but also kind of a monster
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snarfed (true of EMR in general)
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[kevinmarks] It does seem like it is trying to be more interoperable, but by inclusion rather than making choices
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[kevinmarks] have you written about how you use it?
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snarfed no because we've only experimented
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snarfed but actually we do have a blog post coming up soon on one part of our phenotype/EMR data usage, i'll see if it's worth mentioning FHIR in. should be up on https://blog.color.com/ in a week or two
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kodfabrik.se edited /Planning (+235) "/* 2018 */ Updating Malmö event" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] give how verbose a single weight measurement is, I wonder what genomic data looks like in FHIR
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snarfed lol i wouldn't bother. FASTQ/BAM/VCF are the only real standards, but GA4GH's genomic data format (used in google's genomics api) is reasonable and solid and modern
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snarfed wonders if anyone has owned their own DNA data on their web site, even privately ?
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tantek.com edited /RSS (-10) "no longer a stub" (view diff)
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@antistatique Any takes on having comments back to news sites ? Coral project and webmentions cc/ @gaelhurlimann @yvmarques https://twitter.com/gjbarb/status/905431633779675136 (twitter.com/_/status/905502135588093952)
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[kevinmarks] I wonder if the ancestry dna stuff is on people's own sites too
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tantek welcome bdesham!
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tantek for adding microformats to other sites (beyond indieweb use-cases), there's a broader set of folks for that in #microformats
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tantek e.g. for WP
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bdesham tantek: okay! thanks for bearing with me as I fumble around all of these channels, hehe
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tantek bdesham: totally no problem. it's very non-obvious
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@m_ott @heydonworks Maybe based on #Webmentions? ? (twitter.com/_/status/905535595623186432)
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@mor10 @heydonworks with webmentions built in? (twitter.com/_/status/905536703343063041)
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/heydonworks/status/905534140480663552
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@heydonworks Who wants to help me design and make a non-tracking, accessible comments service? Like an anti-DISQUS? (twitter.com/_/status/905534140480663552)
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snarfed woo first webmention federated into ostatus (salmon) in the wild! https://lastauth.com/channel/snarfed/?mid=7cfa12e54cf97aaed3b0bb185651ae37a1e24027fbf3e845fab261e108392707@lastauth.com
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Loqi [Ryan B] Ryan B Ryan B Tue, 22 Aug 2017 09:53:49 -0500 last edited: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 10:30:30 -050...
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schmarty snarfed++ congrats!
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tantek hmm - looks like Loqi is having trouble finding the content of that post
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tantek what is LastAuth.com?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "LastAuth.com" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek snarfed++ looks cool! nice minimal reply5.html :)
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tantek also congrats on the progress on https://fed.brid.gy/ in general!
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snarfed thanks!
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tantek what is Bridgy Fed?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Bridgy Fed" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is Bridgy Publish?
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Loqi Bridgy is an open source project and proxy that implements backfeed and POSSE as a service https://indieweb.org/Bridgy_Publish
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snarfed LastAuth.com is /Hubzilla
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loqi.me created /LastAuth.com (+21) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by snarfed" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek I wonder, especially now with the bleeding edge Bridgy Fed, is it worth having separate wiki pages for that and Bridgy Publish and Bridgy Backfeed, since in particular those latter two we discussed as being targeted at somewhat different generations
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tantek snarfed uh, isn't it more like a specific instance of Hubzilla
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snarfed sure
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tantek that you're using for testing purposes?
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snarfed yes
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tantek ok
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snarfed re bridgy wiki pages, i'll defer to you on the gardening decision. fwiw though, publish and backfeed are both bridgy features. bridgy fed is more of a standalone service.
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tantek Bridgy Fed is https://fed.brid.gy/ a pre-release in-progress proxy for federating between [[Webmention]] and [[ActivityPub]]/[[OStatus]] systems.
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /Bridgy_Fed (+172) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /Bridgy_Fed (+1) "linkify ('… is <url>' pattern)" (view diff)
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tantek whoa that is a fast bot
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snarfed (the naming may confuse people some, but i only expect bridgy fed to only attract power users for a long time, so i'm not worried)
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tantek lol "power users" I think perhaps even "power developers" at that
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tantek what is a power user
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Loqi Generations in the context of the indieweb refer to clusters of potential IndieWeb adopters in a series of waves that are expected to naturally adopt the indieweb for themselves and then help inform the next generation https://indieweb.org/power_user
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KartikPrabhu "by your powers combined I am Capt. ... Federation" ?
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tantek per our last discussion, a "power user" is gen 2
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tantek not expected to be a developer
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KartikPrabhu couldn't resist
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tantek KartikPrabhu: it's much worse than that, there are the competing "Federation" vs "Fediverse"
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KartikPrabhu I know. the "federation" word has been used for many different things
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snarfed i expect gen 2 power user non-developers to be able to use bridgy fed, similar to publish. gen 3, not for a while.
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tantek I thought we decided that Bridgy Publish was more like gen 1
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tantek since it's a Webmention-based API
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snarfed not sure what we decided, but bridgy publish has a web UI, and there are lots of wm sending plugins
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snarfed definitely zero code required to use bridgy publish in either form
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KartikPrabhu uses Bridgy Publish Web UI
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tantek snarfed, good point
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snarfed i worked hard on auto support wizards to make sure even blogger, tumblr, wordpress.com users can use bridgy publish
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tantek well, Bridgy Fed now has its own page
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snarfed thanks!
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tantek Bridgy Publish likely should
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snarfed eh. publish and backfeed are features. fed is a separate service. i'm fine with publish and backfeed in the same page.
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tantek really? they all seem like distinc features
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tantek I mean, I get that backendwise they're different codebases and servers
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tantek just from a user perspective, they all feel pretty different
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snarfed somewhat yes. but listen and publish UIs are on the same bridgy user page, the signup flows are same, the docs are unified
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snarfed fed is entirely separate...except the name, which as mentioned may be confusing
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snarfed you could call bridgy a #brand...but maybe no :P
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loqi.me created /indieweb_morning_show (+203) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek Bridgy is totally a brand. Heck it even does sponsorships for greater brand recognition ;)
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snarfed true!
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snarfed s/for greater brand recognition// :P
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aaronpk lol
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tantek FYI MozFest is still curating sessions
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tantek who submitted proposals for MozFest?
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tantek considers proposing "The Federated Group" as yet another federation related term for a group of hetergenous implementations all federating with each other
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tantek rather, The Federated Group as the set of people, sites, implementations using IndieWeb building blocks and services explicitly for the purpose of federating with each other
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tantek (i.e. distinct from any silo related definitions, POSSE etc.)
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