#dev 2017-09-11

2017-09-11 UTC
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loqi.me created /Google_Drive (+82) "prompted by gRegorLove and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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aaronpk holy crap, twitter is eventually going to replace their streaming API with one that works via webhooks
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aaronpk https://dev.twitter.com/webhooks/account-activity
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aaronpk sure wish we could get them to make it compatible with websub
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loqi.me edited /Facebook (+220) "tantek added "Criticism: 2017-09-11 Brad Frost <cite>[http://bradfrost.com/blog/post/facebook-you-needy-sonofabitch/ Facebook, You Needy Sonofabitch]</cite> documents several examples of excess use of [[notifications]] by Facebook." to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk it would be interesting to get ahold of someone there like benward who has been successful in the past (e.g. he added mf2 to all the "Twitter intents" pop-up windows)
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tantek do you have his contact info?
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aaronpk i think only his twitter
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aaronpk lol
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tantek that's not a bad start. did the TwitterEngineering twitter account post about it? you could reply and ask @benward
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aaronpk no i was just reading the docs and came across several references to the streaming api being deprecated
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loqi.me created /CNN (+111) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek wow that CNN text version is a great real world example of why RSS was totally unnecessary as a separate format from HTML: http://lite.cnn.io/en
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tantek that home page is basically a "feed" (for all rudimentary presentational purposes)
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tantek what is a feed file
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Loqi A feed file is a feed represented as a side file (a separate file, as opposed to as part of an existing HTML page, e.g https://indieweb.org/feed_file
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tantek feed file << Criticism: Real world example of an HTML "feed" that demonstrates why RSS was never necessary as a format: http://lite.cnn.io/en from [[CNN]]
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: Real world example of an HTML "feed" that demonstrates why RSS was never necessary as a format: http://lite.cnn.io/en from [[CNN]]" to the "See Also" section of /feed_file
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loqi.me edited /feed_file (+144) "tantek added "Criticism: Real world example of an HTML "feed" that demonstrates why RSS was never necessary as a format: http://lite.cnn.io/en from [[CNN]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek what is longevity
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Loqi Longevity is the goal of keeping your data as future-friendly and future-proof as possible; it is one of the indieweb principles https://indieweb.org/longevity
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tantek longevity << 2017-06-09 Brewster Kahle <cite>[http://brewster.kahle.org/2017/06/09/collector-or-digital-librarian/ Collector or Digital Librarian?]</cite>
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loqi.me edited /longevity (+144) "tantek added "2017-06-09 Brewster Kahle <cite>[http://brewster.kahle.org/2017/06/09/collector-or-digital-librarian/ Collector or Digital Librarian?]</cite>" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "2017-06-09 Brewster Kahle <cite>[http://brewster.kahle.org/2017/06/09/collector-or-digital-librarian/ Collector or Digital Librarian?]</cite>" to the "See Also" section of /longevity
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tantek wow there's been no update to http://brewster.kahle.org/2015/08/11/locking-the-web-open-a-call-for-a-distributed-web-2/ in over two years now! Definitely an opportunity to write an update from an IndieWeb perspective
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tantek what is to do
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Loqi Next steps for IndieWebCamp and IndieWeb efforts https://indieweb.org/to-do
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tantek to-do << Blog an update of the 2+ year old http://brewster.kahle.org/2015/08/11/locking-the-web-open-a-call-for-a-distributed-web-2/ from an IndieWeb perspective, what IndieWeb technologies have solve the problems in the original post, status of the experimental tech the original post mentioned, etc.
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loqi.me edited /to-do (+295) "tantek added "Blog an update of the 2+ year old http://brewster.kahle.org/2015/08/11/locking-the-web-open-a-call-for-a-distributed-web-2/ from an IndieWeb perspective, what IndieWeb technologies have solve the problems in the original post, status of" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "Blog an update of the 2+ year old http://brewster.kahle.org/2015/08/11/locking-the-web-open-a-call-for-a-distributed-web-2/ from an IndieWeb perspective, what IndieWeb technologies have solve the problems in the original post, status of the experimental tech the original post mentioned, etc." to the "See Also" section of /to-do
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tantek to-do << ^^^ see also this http://dci.mit.edu/assets/papers/decentralized_web.pdf (PDF, sorry, academic source) with case studies on some projects from that blog post and the 2016 [[Decentralized Web Summit]]
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Loqi ok, I added "^^^ see also this http://dci.mit.edu/assets/papers/decentralized_web.pdf (PDF, sorry, academic source) with case studies on some projects from that blog post and the 2016 [[Decentralized Web Summit]]" to the "See Also" section of /to-do
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loqi.me edited /to-do (+202) "tantek added "^^^ see also this http://dci.mit.edu/assets/papers/decentralized_web.pdf (PDF, sorry, academic source) with case studies on some projects from that blog post and the 2016 [[Decentralized Web Summit]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek what is the Decentralized Web Summit
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/Decentralized_Web_Summit
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tantek ^^^ aaronpk why isn't that working? there is an explicit p-summary in there
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aaronpk oh hm cause it's an h-event
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aaronpk when was Decentralized Web Summit?
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Loqi Decentralized Web Summit is on 2016-06-08 at Internet Archive in San Francisco https://indieweb.org/Decentralized_Web_Summit
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tantek.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+224) "Decentralized Web Pt 3: Join the IndieWeb" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - is vs was fix there for past events?
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tantek also presumably the p-summary / dfn should still be accessible even inside an h-event
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tantek.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+203) "Going Indie. Step 2: Reclaiming Content back from May" (view diff)
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tantek hmm - looks like this one is a good one for folks to respond to who publish or consume <time> based info, h-event, h-entry etc.: https://twitter.com/kimadactl/status/907249651883155456
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@kimadactl Are there any websites/services that capitalise on HTML5 <time> tags and event microformats etc? Good for SEO? (twitter.com/_/status/907249651883155456)
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KartikPrabhu "good for SEO?" is what prevented me from replying
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KartikPrabhu more like seo;dr
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tantek what is SEO
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Loqi SEO is an acronym for Search Engine Optimization which refers to the practice and results of publishing pages and permalinks on the web in order to rank better (earlier/higher) in web search engine results https://indieweb.org/seo
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gRegorLove I responded https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/status/907384877007491078
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@gRegorLove @kimadactl I do for events on my site. Makes it easy to have human-friendly dates + machine-readable ISO8601. e.g. https://gregorlove.com/2017/06/homebrew-website-club/ (twitter.com/_/status/907384877007491078)
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tantek gRegorLove++ nice!
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Loqi gregorlove has 33 karma in this channel (180 overall)
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gRegorLove https://twitter.com/kimadactl/status/907386431139717120
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@kimadactl @gRegorLove That's awesome :) I coulda been clearer tho: are there any reasonable sized services/sites that are actively crawling/consuming then? (twitter.com/_/status/907386431139717120)
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gRegorLove Does Calagator import from h-event?
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aaronpk i think only hEvent
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tantek is there a place to file a feature request to support h-event import?
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gRegorLove Ah, yeah "Facebook, hCalendar, iCalendar, Meetup, and Plancast" http://calagator.org/sources/new
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gRegorLove https://github.com/calagator/calagator/issues
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aaronpk https://github.com/calagator/calagator/issues/240
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Loqi [aaronpk] #240 Parse Microformats2 h-event format as a source
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tantek what was plancast
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Loqi Plancast was a social event sharing service that shut down in 2012 https://indieweb.org/Plancast
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aaronpk i'll probably do that when i'm ready to set up the calagator install for our events
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gRegorLove mf import may be broken altogether currently: https://github.com/calagator/calagator/issues/527
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Loqi [reidab] #527 Either microformats import or export is broken
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tantek aaronpk: curious how Calagator handles adding photos to an event after the event has happened
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tantek like our use-case for the newsletter
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tantek worth a feature request?
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aaronpk they don't have any special support for photos. you can embed whatever you want in the HTML tho
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tantek so Calagator would make that harder then
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tantek than our current copy/paste photosrcalt template
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aaronpk we'd have to copy the whole HTML rathert han wiki template
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tantek which is both more work for everyone wanting to add a photo, and more error prone
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aaronpk yeah, i'd gladly add proper photo support to calagator tho
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tantek hence worth capturing as a feature request?
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aaronpk sure, and link to this as an example http://calagator.org/events/1250469845
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit 2016
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tantek and maybe one of our HWC events that had a lot of photos from different sources to illustrate the use-case?
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aaronpk yeah good idea
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