#dev 2017-09-12

2017-09-12 UTC
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@sl007 @EthanZ http://dci.mit.edu/assets/papers/decentralized_web.pdf - would appreciate a Case Study #IndieWeb building blocks: mf2, micropub, websub, webmention [the basics] (twitter.com/_/status/907334211597684736)
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@derhess @shizzmd @nzgb The #indieweb community addresses this issue partly with #webmentions and other api interfaces for y… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/906827386116866048 (twitter.com/_/status/906827386116866048)
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@m_ott @heydonworks @inclusicomps The IndieWeb Wiki page (https://indieweb.org/webmentions) lists implementations and articles, for… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/905738857018269697 (twitter.com/_/status/905738857018269697)
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tantek nice
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tantek m_ott++ great thread there!
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Loqi m_ott has 1 karma in this channel (2 overall)
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aaronpk did that just happen or is this the cron job catching up with previously missing tweets?
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tantek some of it was a few days ago?
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tantek Hey KevinMarks here's a fragmention opportunity for you: https://twitter.com/m_ott/status/905738704253329409
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@m_ott @heydonworks @inclusicomps Sorry, no deeplinking yet, the paragraph starts with “The IndieWeb approach to collecting reactions…” ;) (twitter.com/_/status/905738704253329409)
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tantek "no deeplinking yet" - no need, just support fragmentions for all your posts :)
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KartikPrabhu ha! I had the same thought!
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aaronpk cool, tweet searches should be handled a lot better now
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aaronpk no more twitter canoes, and won't be truncated here either
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KartikPrabhu nice
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aaronpk that was bugging me for a while
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aaronpk hope i didn't break anything too bad
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KartikPrabhu testing https://twitter.com/i/web/status/905738857018269697
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@m_ott @heydonworks @inclusicomps The IndieWeb Wiki page (https://indieweb.org/webmentions) lists implementations and articles, for example this one by @drewm https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/905738857018269697)
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KartikPrabhu nice!
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KartikPrabhu not truncated now
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tantek shots fired: https://www.wired.com/story/decentralized-social-networks-sound-great-too-bad-theyll-never-work/
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KartikPrabhu "X is dead";dr
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tantek AFAIK this is the "made for tech press" version of that PDF from EthanZ
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aaronpk "The projects we examined are pursuing deeply exciting new ideas. However, we doubt that decentralized systems alone will address the threats to free expression caused by today’s mega-platforms, for several key reasons."
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aaronpk aaand
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tantek see /to-do for the abovementioned PDF
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aaronpk "Tools like Diaspora and FreedomBox encountered difficulties attracting a permanent user base, and it’s likely new platforms will, too. "
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tantek "platforms" sigh
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KartikPrabhu what is platform?
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Loqi A platform in the context of software/services is a collection of related APIs/protocols/formats that can be used to build sites/apps, and sometimes misleadingly used to refer to apps themselves, or suites of apps, to exaggerate their sense of importance, value, or impact https://indieweb.org/platform
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tantek not every open source project is a "platform"
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tantek yup
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tantek perfect example of such exaggeration
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tantek !tell kevinmarks if you'd like a recent article to fisk, this WIRED one is ripe for the picking https://www.wired.com/story/decentralized-social-networks-sound-great-too-bad-theyll-never-work/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk "The reality is that most people do not want to run their own web servers or social network nodes. They want to engage with the web through friendlier platforms, and these platforms will be constrained by the same forces that drive consolidation today."
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aaronpk oh this is like the press version of http://dci.mit.edu/decentralizedweb
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tantek "invisible hand" mumble mumble
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tantek that's what I just said!
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tantek https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2017-09-12/1505176952667000
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Loqi [tantek] AFAIK this is the "made for tech press" version of that PDF from EthanZ
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KevinMarks_ I think I already rebutted that in http://epeus.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/the-antifragility-of-web.html
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Loqi KevinMarks_: tantek left you a message 3 minutes ago: if you'd like a recent article to fisk, this WIRED one is ripe for the picking https://www.wired.com/story/decentralized-social-networks-sound-great-too-bad-theyll-never-work/
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KevinMarks_ Given how much they're all gushing over Bitcoin fluff, that is a bit much
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KevinMarks_ I suspect that headline isn't theirs tbh
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tantek right, pretty sure the publisher picks the headlines, not authors
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tantek more silo grist - haven't read the articles, but the challenges noted may be worth documenting
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tantek for /Instagram : https://twitter.com/WIRED/status/897069585308024832
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@WIRED NEW ISSUE: Instagram wants to be the nicest place on the internet. But should it be? Read our brand new cover story→ http://bit.ly/2vV1ROy https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHMICEHW0AUA8z0.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/897069585308024832)
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tantek for /Twitter https://twitter.com/WIREDCulture/status/907384872993476609
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@WIREDCulture Remember when Twitter was fun? http://trib.al/xDRObSG (twitter.com/_/status/907384872993476609)
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aaronpk this is just reinforcing my motivations to re-launch new Monocle
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tantek I still haven't managed to code anything new on my site since the last HWC (the before last week's)
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tantek spend most of my personal-site time on actual content/blogging instead and wrote (I think) my longest blog post to date
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aaronpk hm yeah it's been over a week since i did anything on my site to
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aaronpk o
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tantek over 6k words http://tantek.com/2017/253/b1/my-first-marathon - took me over a month to write it all up
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] My First #Marathon @theSFMarathon
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aaronpk whoa mile-by-mila
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aaronpk e
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aaronpk i dont know why i can't type today
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tantek wow according to a few Google searches / results, 250w/page is a common print metric for books.
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tantek so that would be a 24 page booklet (!!!)
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tantek (25 since I had nearly 6200 words)
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tantek and that's not counting the pages needed for the photos
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aaronpk you should totally turn it into a little zine!
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tantek that's crazy. I suppose I could try producing a print artifact
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Loqi I agree
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tantek POSSE to print
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tantek are there services that will do that on demand with permission of the author?
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tantek like could I put a "Print & Mail me" button on the blog post?
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aaronpk yeah! lulu.com and createspace.com will print regular soft or hardback books from a PDF!
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tantek no way I'm going to bother with any tooling for a PDF
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tantek PDF--
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Loqi pdf has -1 karma in this channel (-3 overall)
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aaronpk HTML -> PDF isn't bad
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aaronpk my whole book is an HTML file
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tantek right, I want the service to handle the HTML+CSS -> print, not me
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tantek that's why you pay a service to make intelligent design decisions / tweaks like that
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tantek printing a PDF is basically dumb robotic automation
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tantek they should handle things like tweaking type, leading, photo chroma etc.
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tantek speaking of word count: https://twitter.com/EthanZ/status/907411389391818753
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@EthanZ @kevinmarks Yeah, there's that too. We could only fit a few complains into the WIRED word count. (twitter.com/_/status/907411389391818753)
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tantek what is the WIRED word count?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WIRED word count" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek KevinMarks: is that like having to fit into the Twitter character count?
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aaronpk LOL https://twitter.com/EthanZ/status/907412109021118465
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@EthanZ @kevinmarks That's always a safe assumption. I have an AI that A/B tests clickbait until I offend everyone I am trying to reach. (twitter.com/_/status/907412109021118465)
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tantek I counted 1110 words in that article (select all, copy / paste to text editor, cut page header/footer / ad crap)
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tantek WIRED word count is a limitation, like the [[Twitter]] 140 characters limitation, placed upon writers by the WIRED.com online publisher as noted by @EthanZ https://twitter.com/EthanZ/status/907411389391818753 that appears to be approximately 1200 words (The article that tweet is about is ~1110 words long).
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@EthanZ @kevinmarks Yeah, there's that too. We could only fit a few complains into the WIRED word count. (twitter.com/_/status/907411389391818753)
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tantek missed it
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tantek what is the WIRED word count?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WIRED word count" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek WIRED word count is a limitation, like the [[Twitter]] 140 characters limitation, placed upon writers by the WIRED.com online publisher as noted by @EthanZ https://twitter.com/EthanZ/status/907411389391818753 that appears to be approximately 1200 words (The article that tweet is about is ~1110 words long).
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@EthanZ @kevinmarks Yeah, there's that too. We could only fit a few complains into the WIRED word count. (twitter.com/_/status/907411389391818753)
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk podcast << Audiogram
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Audiogram]]" to the "See Also" section of /podcast
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loqi.me edited /podcast (+16) "aaronpk added "[[Audiogram]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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aaronpk Audiogram << podcast
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Loqi ok, I added "[[podcast]]" to the "See Also" section of /Audiogram
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loqi.me edited /Audiogram (+31) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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aaronpk hm i think that is also a lowercase term not just the name of a library
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aaronparecki.com edited /Audiogram (+1557) "redefine as a generic noun since the WNYC post refers to it as a generic noun in their post" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com moved /Audiogram to /audiogram "move to lowercase"
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aaronpk email << https://theconversation.com/the-only-safe-email-is-text-only-email-81434
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Loqi ok, I added "https://theconversation.com/the-only-safe-email-is-text-only-email-81434" to the "See Also" section of /email
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loqi.me edited /email (+75) "aaronpk added "https://theconversation.com/the-only-safe-email-is-text-only-email-81434" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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@acegiak @gritfish @briecode mf2 is basically RSS though and webmentions and POSSE are similar to IFTTT in some ways. (twitter.com/_/status/907508299515359232)
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[pfefferle] good morning
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Loqi guten morgen
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@nhoizey @AaronGustafson gust saw the last Webmention on https://nicolas-hoizey.com/2015/02/viewport-height-is-taller-than-the-visible-part-of-the-document-in-some-mobile-browsers.html is the full post. ? It uses the default template. (twitter.com/_/status/907517919386533888)
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@sl007 @acegiak @briecode ? why slowly - most is already W3C recommendation "micropub, websub, webmention" etc. + indieauth, mf2 + attend https://indieweb.org/events (twitter.com/_/status/907528414277640193)
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schmarty good morning -dev
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@AaronGustafson @nhoizey The `content` provided by webmention.io is the full post (see https://webmention.io/api/mentions?target[]=https://nicolas-hoizey.com/2015/02/viewport-height-is-taller-than-the-visible-part-of-the-document-in-some-mobile-browsers.html). You could use a custom template &amp; truncate. (twitter.com/_/status/907614729476169728)
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jeremycherfas schmarty You were tinkering with Known at some point, weren't you? Did you manage to post to micropub at known rather than via the indiepub plugin?
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schmarty jeremycherfas: i used the indiepub plugin. i had to make some changes to it before it would create audio posts. those changes were rolled into the main codebase, so they're in the master branch. i don't remember if a full release has been made since.
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jeremycherfas Thanks. Going to move to master before I carry on tearing my hair out.
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jeremycherfas If I cloned a repo into the wrong directory, can I just move everything into the right directory, including all the git stuff, and it will work going forward?
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aaronpk yep just make sure to move the parent directory, you need that hidden .git folder for the git magic to work
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jeremycherfas Cool. Thanks.
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loqi.me edited /Getting_Started (+62) "petermolnar added "https://fillmem.com/post/fast-secured-and-free-static-site/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas Aaronpk Quill seems to be posting the link to a bookmark as if it is an image. https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/europeans-need-not-apply-evidence-mounts-of-discrimination-in-uk
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Loqi [Jeremy Cherfas] Europeans need not apply: evidence mounts of discrimination in UK | Politics | The Guardian
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aaronpk Quill just sends a "bookmark-of" property, I have no idea what Known is doing with that https://quill.p3k.io/docs/bookmark
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tantek.com edited /Getting_Started (+139) "/* GitHub Pages */ get rid of some mentions of easy (even gh pages is unobvious to many), simplify/fix grammar a bit" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas Fair enough. Thanks.
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loqi.me edited /Google (+314) "tantek added "2017-09-12 TNW: [https://thenextweb.com/2017/09/12/google-down-gmail-youtube-maps/ Google is suffering a meltdown as Gmail, Maps and YouTube go down] <blockquote>According to the outage heat map, it appears that users in the American Ea" (view diff)
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snarfed hey aaronpk, re your OYG instagram timeouts, bridgy has been pretty steadily rate limited ever since it switched to scraping
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snarfed immediate 403 response with "Error: Please wait a few minutes before you try again."
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snarfed not timeout though, so maybe different
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aaronpk interesting
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snarfed disappointing since my volume is extremely low overall. order of 1-2k requests/day ish
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snarfed from many different client IPs
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snarfed whee
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@rubygems jekyll-webmention_io (2.8.3): This Gem includes a suite of tools for managing webmentions in Jekyll: * Tags *… https://rubygems.org/gems/jekyll-webmention_io (twitter.com/_/status/907668401199468544)
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tantek Hey do we need an "IndieWebify √ Validated" graphic equivalent to this? https://jsonld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/google-validated-jsonld.png
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aaronpk oh gosh
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[kevinmarks] I could expand the rel-me one
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[kevinmarks] http://www.kevinmarks.com/distributed-verify.html
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Loqi Distributed Verification 2016-09-22
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tantek Hmm I wonder if this is worth noting as a limitation (or to set expectations) about POSSEing blog posts to Twitter: https://twitter.com/elongreen/status/907574723265138689
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