#dev 2017-09-13

2017-09-13 UTC
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cweiske.de edited /comments (+117) "/* Comments Embeds */" (view diff)
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@nhoizey @cloudinary Les avatars des commentaires (legacy) et webmentions sur mon site perso sont maintenant optimisés avec @cloudinary, comme le reste du site. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJmjKEVWsAEv0QM.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/907936202078253056)
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tantek KartikPrabhu, sl007 since Coral Project is open source there's at least hope that it can be patched to support mf2, webmention
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tantek what is Coral Project?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Coral Project" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: ^^^ want to start it with the URLs you've found so far?
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KartikPrabhu Coral Project is https://coralproject.net/
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /Coral_Project (+70) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by KartikPrabhu" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /Coral_Project (+1) "linkify ('… is <url>' pattern)" (view diff)
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tantek wow Kaja is on it!
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KartikPrabhu Kaja++
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Loqi kaja has 1 karma in this channel (4 overall)
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KartikPrabhu awww, but Kaja messed up the sentence!
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KartikPrabhu what is Coral Project?
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Loqi Coral Project is https://coralproject.net/ https://indieweb.org/Coral_Project
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KartikPrabhu huh! why is https://indieweb.org/Coral_Project different from Kaja's edit https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=40604&oldid=40603&rcid=40514 ?
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sknebel KartikPrabhu: ? look the same for me.
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sknebel and apparently I should have kept the check for a comma after the URL
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sknebel since the idea was "X is $url, a ..." -> "[$url X] is a"
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sknebel and I didn't think about the "naked" case, without further definition when leaving that check off
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KartikPrabhu sknebel: yeah was just stubbing it for later
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Coral_Project (+34) "basic stub" (view diff)
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sknebel Kaja << stop this from happening https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=40604&oldid=40603&rcid=40514
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loqi.me edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net (+97) "sknebel added "stop this from happening https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=40604&oldid=40603&rcid=40514" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "stop this from happening https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=40604&oldid=40603&rcid=40514" to the "See Also" section of /User:Kaja.sknebel.net
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GWG What should go in an h-card? I am once again going on a pointless deep dive.
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tantek GWG, for any plumbing question like that, start with, what are the documented use-cases?
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GWG tantek, this comes from the question I posed the other day about where we left partial h-cards linked to an expanded version.
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tantek asking plumbing questions in the abstract (disconnected from real world (documented, citable) user needs) tends to result in unnecessary overdesign, risking falling into the architecture astronomy trap.
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GWG I want my home page to be my h-card because my site represents me
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GWG But I don't want to clutter it with extra information that not everyone wants to consume
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tantek that makes sense
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tantek to reframe that as a positive, what extra information do you want to provide beyond what (you presume) everyone wants to see on your home page, and why?
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GWG So, do I hide the information on the main page, but mark it up for non human consumption, and then have a human readable about page?
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tantek hiding information is discouraged
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GWG For example, my birthday if I wanted people to know
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GWG The less popular places to find me, for example, the fact I still have an AIM account
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GWG A full bio as opposed to a summary
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GWG The fact that I have trouble writing a bio aside
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GWG Any advice on writing a bio/profile? I have trouble tooting my own horn
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GWG Who am I? Why am I here?
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tantek These are important questions
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tantek GWG - you could crowdsource your bio, e.g. invite people to help you write one on your User: page on the wiki
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tantek GWG, where is you existing about page?
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GWG I could do it on my site and get my non Indieweb associates involved as well
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GWG In need of updating, but https://david.shanske.com/about/
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Loqi [David Shanske] About
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GWG tantek, my messed up h-card sent me in the direction of fixing a long standing issue of under representation
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GWG The line between public and private is hard for me
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GWG Which was the first conversation I had in this community
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GWG With KartikPrabhu, I think
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tantek GWG I think "beach head" is one word. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beachhead
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tantek GWG, there are two approaches to consider.
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tantek 1. Figure out what else you can markup on your existing about page with h-card
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tantek (looks pretty good actually, I could suggest a few things if you like)
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tantek or
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tantek 2. Figure out what else you would like to add from a content perspective, and add it, purely as you would for readability. Then after it looks like what you want it to look like, even incrementally, then do 1. above.
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loqi.me edited /IoT (+313) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /IoT (+153) "tantek added "2016-10-27 [https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2016/10/27/enterprise-iot-devices-hackable-minutes/ Common enterprise IoT devices are hackable in minutes]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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GWG Hmnn
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tantek GWG, up to you. Door #1. or Door #2.
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tantek.com edited /remote_participation (+4) "linky webcam" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /webcam (+401) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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jkphl.is uploaded /File:hwc-nue-20170913.jpg "Homebrew Website Club Nürnberg 2017-09-13 https://indieweb.org/File:hwc-nue-20170913.jpg"
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tantek ^^^ aaronpk, you have a challenge for HWC Portland tonight - better rally the troops! :)
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tantek think you can get more than 6?
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tantek.com edited /remote_participation (+961) "merge contents of [[remote-participation]] into this page, new subheads" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /remote-participation () "(-865) merge contents into [[remote participation]] and redirect" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /chat (+44) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /BlueBorne (+253) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /BlueBorne (+121) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /IoT (+13) "tantek added "[[webcam]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /webcam (+292) "IoT vulns" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /webcam (+8) "linky" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:bose-soundlink-bluetooth-speaker.png]]": https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00WK47VEW/tag=aaronpk-20" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:jabra-speak-510.png "https://amazon.com/dp/B00AQUO5RI/?tag=aaronpk-20 https://indieweb.org/File:jabra-speak-510.png"
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aaronparecki.com edited /remote_participation (+233) "add jabra mic" (view diff)
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[keithjgrant] Adding ssl to my site sure made a mess of my ability to indieauth ?
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tantek oh? keithjgrant, that's worth documenting as an issue with /HTTPS
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[keithjgrant] I'm hoping it had to do with different cached nameserver data
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aaronpk [keithjgrant]: if you set up redirects from http->https you should see some problems go away
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aaronpk but if your site is still served from both then you'll have problems
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loqi.me created /Apache_Struts (+282) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Equifax (+266) "linky, breach, articles, see also" (view diff)
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[keithjgrant] aaronpk Ah, that makes sense. I was waiting to force redirect until nameserver cached had a chance to clear, but it's been several hours now so I'm probably safe
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[miklb] https://twitter.com/RyannosaurusRex/status/908030502262542336
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@RyannosaurusRex Microsoft will crawl the web for PWAs and auto-ingests quality ones into the Windows store. Pay attention to PWAs, y'all. #MSEdgeSummit (twitter.com/_/status/908030502262542336)
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aaronpk o.O
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[miklb] that was my reaction as well
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tantek.com edited /Equifax (+357) "more articles" (view diff)
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tantek someone needs to create a Borg meme for that
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aaronpk lol
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tantek seriously what a week
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[keithjgrant] Anybody use cloudflare to add ssl to a GitHub powered site? It seems to be intermittently serving an invalid GitHub cert
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sknebel [keithjgrant]: on what site?
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[keithjgrant] keithjgrant.com
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tantek.com edited /Equifax (+42) "regulated" (view diff)
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sknebel [keithjgrant]: hm, don't see it happen here
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aaronpk [keithjgrant]: maybe you're getting the old github pages IP occasionally? that would look like an invalid certificate
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[keithjgrant] Yeah, I think that's what's happening. I'm not sure I understand why it would keep switching between the two IPs for me. I'm more used to a dns change where once updated locally it's fixed for good
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tantek site-deaths << https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microblogging#Defunct
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loqi.me edited /site-deaths (+54) "tantek added "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microblogging#Defunct" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microblogging#Defunct" to the "See Also" section of /site-deaths
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loqi.me edited /IoT (+181) "tantek added "2017-07-18 [https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/fbi-warns-parents-privacy-risks-internet-connected-toys-n784126 FBI Warns Parents of Privacy Risks With Internet-Connected Toys]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /IoT (+329) "tantek added "2016-10-22 [http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/massive-ddos-attack-that-almost-brought-down-us-internet-how-it-happened-why-1587696 The massive DDoS attack that almost brought down US internet – how it happened and why]<blockquote>…hackers ha" (view diff)
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sknebel caddy << https://caddyserver.com/blog/accouncing-caddy-commercial-licenses.html : official binaries are now under special license, free for private use and inject sponsor info in *HTTP Headers*, paid commercial version, code still Apache2 licensed
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loqi.me edited /Caddy (+258) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://caddyserver.com/blog/accouncing-caddy-commercial-licenses.html : official binaries are now under special license, free for private use and inject sponsor info in *HTTP Headers*, paid commercial version, code still Apache2 licensed" to the "See Also" section of /Caddy
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tantek hey HTTPS experts - any of you see any errors if you go to https://openid.net/foundation/sponsoring-members/
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Loqi Sponsoring Members
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tantek I'm seeing:
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tantek "An error occurred during a connection to openid.net. Peer’s Certificate has been revoked. Error code: SEC_ERROR_REVOKED_CERTIFICATE"
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sknebel yes, I get that too
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aaronpk ssllabs gives them an F for the revoked certificate https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=openid.net
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aaronpk wonder why chrome allows it
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sknebel chrome doesn't check revocation lists
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aaronpk well that would explain it
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sknebel they have their own system, which only includes some subset of them
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aaronpk this is weird https://twitter.com/thomasfuchs/status/907764896829452288
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@thomasfuchs iPhone X renders webpages with literal white bars on the sides https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJkHWGlWAAAUym_.png (twitter.com/_/status/907764896829452288)
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sknebel https://dev.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/crlsets - basically they bundle up some revocation information and ship that to the browser, instead of attempting live checks (which have their downsides as well)
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tantek what is SEC_ERROR_REVOKED_CERTIFICATE
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "SEC_ERROR_REVOKED_CERTIFICATE" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk I don't think that needs its own page... but is worth mentioning on /https
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tantek and redirecting to said subsection on /https
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tantek.com edited /metaformats (+3710) "start documenting use-cases, and brainstorming driven by use-cases. and started as a joke and now we here" (view diff)
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tantek !tell ben_thatmustbeme I just added a ton to /metaformats, in particular from here https://indieweb.org/metaformats#use-cases onward and would appreciate your review, both as editor of jf2, and as the author of https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/issues/7467
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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