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[kevinmarks] But I'm talking ux here
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tantek [kevinmarks] no it's not a how *we* look at it thing, because silos aren't indieweb for anyone dev or not
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tantek for all the reasons in /why
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tantek if it's really a UX point you're trying to make, use non-silo examples
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andreaarbogast.com created /User:Andreaarbogast.com (+73) "Created page with "<span class="h-card">[https://andreaarbogast.com/ Andrea Arbogast]</span>"" (view diff)
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tantek nice!
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GWG I need an idea
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GWG How do I automatically convert a json file full of color values into a CSS file?
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GWG Trying to avoid converting it manually.
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[kevinmarks] That's my point - at the moment we have a UI for spreading a post to silos, but not to other indieweb sites. Manton and Aaron are saying that we need 2 separate UIs, I'm saying that we should try for a unified one.
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[miklb] GWG could probably do that with a gulp/grunt task
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GWG [miklb]: I have Grunt installed.
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GWG I'm trying to figure out if there is an existing one, or if I have to write one. Back to my poor JS skills
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GWG I need to read the JSON, adjust it, then output it in a specific format.
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[miklb] adjust how?
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GWG If I write it once, it will do all the work for me
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tantek what is Grunt
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Grunt" yet. Would you like to create it?
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GWG I'm going to use a broader icon pack. It has a JSON of the colors for the various site logos. So, it is structured "title" and "hex" I need to read those, convert to class name and color.
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schmarty Oops I missed the destination discussion. I have this problem with micropub clients and posting to both my personal site and my comedy podcast site
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tantek what is destination?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "destination" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek schmarty ^^^ want to start that page with precisely that real world use-case you have of two different indieweb sites that you want to directly post to?
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schmarty They are both different sites that receive very different posts, but most micropub clients apps only let you log in and post to one at a time, requiring a log out between
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tantek as in with a "Use Cases" section
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[miklb] GWG mind you this was just a quick google, but this might be an option too if you are using Sass https://github.com/vigetlabs/sass-json-vars
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Loqi [vigetlabs] sass-json-vars: Import variables as JSON into Sass
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tantek even better - document the current limitation that causes UI awkwardness
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tantek what is Sass
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Loqi Sass is a Stylesheet Language that extends CSS and is compiled into CSS before publishing https://indieweb.org/Sass
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schmarty tantek: great idea. can do in a few. On mobile at the moment.
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schmarty what is destination?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "destination" yet. Would you like to create it?
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schmarty destination is the site where you want to publish a particular post when practicing [[multi-site indieweb]].
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /destination (+135) "prompted by schmarty and dfn added by schmarty" (view diff)
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gRegorLove gives Loqi the wiki sign in
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Loqi enjoys the wiki sign in
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martymcgui.re edited /destination (+1040) "add use cases, UX issue from typical Micropub clients, FB silo example" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /destination (+191) "/* Silo Examples */ note prompt, need screenshot" (view diff)
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schmarty ^^ tantek: i have screenshots but could not upload them to the wiki
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tantek.com edited /communication (+336) "Resources / Contact Icons - start with the Twitter SVG button from Kevinmarks" (view diff)
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tantek !tell aaronpk file uploads may be broken post MediaWiki update - schmarty was having difficulty
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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schmarty !tell aaronpk i got an error uploading an image to the wiki: "Could not open lock file for "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/0/0e/facebook-page-posting-as.png"."
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell Zegnat that "pick a destination" screenshot that you shared earlier from FB - could you add it here? https://indieweb.org/destination#Facebook
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[kevinmarks] Look at that whole github project https://github.com/edent/SuperTinyIcons
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Loqi [edent] SuperTinyIcons: Under 1KB each! Super Tiny Icons are miniscule SVG versions of your favourite website and app logos
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tantek.com edited /Strava (+1873) "/* Brainstorming */ POSSE opportunities on your Strava profile and support.strava and backfeed too" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, as you post bike rides to your site, you may be interested in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/780
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Loqi [tantek] #780 Bridgy Publish to Strava.com (new silo)
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aaronpk .
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 54 minutes ago: file uploads may be broken post MediaWiki update - schmarty was having difficulty
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Loqi aaronpk: schmarty left you a message 53 minutes ago: i got an error uploading an image to the wiki: "Could not open lock file for "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/0/0e/facebook-page-posting-as.png"."
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aaronpk should be fixed
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martymcgui.re uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:facebook-page-posting-as-user.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:facebook-page-posting-as-user.png"
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tantek nice
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martymcgui.re uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:facebook-page-post-as-selector.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:facebook-page-post-as-selector.png"
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schmarty looking great, thanks!
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aaronpk so the main question I have around this idea is whether it should be a client-side thing or a server-side thing. e.g. it wouldn't take any protocol changes to make it so I can just authenticate with a bunch of micropub servers at a time in quill, and quill would keep a separate login session associated with all of them together
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aaronpk like, why should I have to sign out of one endpoint in order to sign in with another? why not keep multiple signed in at the same time
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martymcgui.re edited /destination (+179) "add screenshots of selecting author for post on Facebook" (view diff)
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aaronpk on the other hand, if a micropub server does know how to post to multiple different websites, that also makes some amount of sense
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tantek aaronpk - I'm not sure reasoning from the plumbing (separate login session) is the best way to figure this out.
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aaronpk I agree but it's still something to consider
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tantek not before UX
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aaronpk the thing is, the same UX can be implemented both ways
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tantek otherwise it will likely mislead you, as nearly all plumbing design does
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tantek not necessarily
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tantek without documenting the UX - that's hard to say
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tantek better to start with documenting existing UX solutions
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aaronpk yes, documenting first
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tantek I can think of at least two: Twitter client, Instagram client (iOS apps)
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tantek what is multilogin?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "multilogin" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek got a better name for the user feature?
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aaronpk okay yeah that is a different thing hmm
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aaronpk in those cases it's more like a full context switch between accounts
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tantek that's my point about documenting the UX first
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tantek how existing systems have "solved" the use-case
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tantek presumably the FB app also does this but I don't use it
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tantek certainly their website does it
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tantek you can switch "modes"
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aaronpk in facebook it's less of a full context switch than twitter and instagram
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tantek FB does both full context switch, and per post
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tantek since that "full context switch" UX seems to be what's commonly implemented (and thus users likely understand), probably better to model how would you do that with Micropub first, before other variations
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:tweetdeck-new-tweet.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:tweetdeck-new-tweet.png"
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:tweetdeck-repost.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:tweetdeck-repost.png"
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aaronparecki.com edited /destination (+432) "/* Silo Examples */ tweetdeck" (view diff)
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aaronpk there's tweetdeck's take on it
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[manton] Facebook seems the closest to what I'm trying to do, since it's one user account and multiple pages/sites. On Twitter and Instagram, you have to switch accounts to post somewhere else.
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[manton] If you follow the Twitter-style model, the current Micropub spec is fine since the client could just manage switching between multiple user sessions, each with its own web site.
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aaronpk did you see the tweetdeck screenshots?
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aaronpk I think I like facebook's take on it the most, at least for the posting interface
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[manton] Yeah, TweetDeck's UI is nice, but also might work better for Twitter which usually has unique avatar icons. Not all web sites have favicons, so you'd want to see the text or domain name of the site by default.
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aaronpk The other big difference with tweetdeck is it lets you select more than one
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tantek.com edited /verified (+444) "Strava" (view diff)
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@HongPong The first release of Linkback module for #Drupal 8 tagged, provides #pingback and #webmention functionality https://www.drupal.org/project/linkback/releases/8.x-1.0-alpha1 #webmentions attn #indieweb #indiewebcamp peeps, please check it out (twitter.com/_/status/937576654746128385)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /indie_map (+229) "link to video walkthrough; wikilinks; pagelogo" (view diff)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb Dev
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Loqi Zegnat: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 20 minutes ago: that "pick a destination" screenshot that you shared earlier from FB - could you add it here? https://indieweb.org/destination#Facebook
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Zegnat I will upload that screenshot post haste
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vanderven.se martijn uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:facebook-select-destination.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:facebook-select-destination.png"
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tantek good morning Zegnat!
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Zegnat Hmm, is this page without CSS for anyone else or just me? https://indieweb.org/File:facebook-select-destination.png
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vanderven.se martijn edited /destination (+445) "/* Facebook */ Add distination picker from mobile" (view diff)
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Zegnat There you go tantek :)
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Zegnat Oh, now the CSS is showing. Also had a HTTP 500 for a second on indieweb.org :/
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cweiske I had to reload
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cweiske css was broken for me, too
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@hsablonniere 🤔 If don't know what the Indie Web is yet, don't worry 😉 @adactio has your back with this great talk about its Building Blocks (Micropub, POSSE, WebMention...) https://indieweb.org/principles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvYK-K0jWng (twitter.com/_/status/937610189422956544)
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petermolnar just out of curiosity how would you handle a webmention if the source post date is in the future? (eg. scheduled post, but accidentally sends a webmention)
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cweiske I would probably not care
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cweiske email clients show mails from the future, too
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cweiske that sometimes told me that a server's clock is off sync
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Zegnat I don’t display webmentions, so I too, do not care for the date people write on the source document
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Zegnat I also record the time a webmention comes in
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tantek lol the number of twitter accounts aaronpk can post from
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tantek https://indieweb.org/destination#Tweetdeck
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Zegnat I should find a better DNS provider. According to dig, licit.li still has an AAAA record, but the Namecheap interface has made them disappear.
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Loqi definitely
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sknebel Zegnat: that doesn't sound good, I thought namecheap was reliable
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Zegnat So did I. Not sure what is going on here. Might just re-add them.
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Zegnat For now `dig licit.li AAAA +short` seems to report the right IP
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Microsub-spec (+359) "/* Issues */ Find posts about post" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Microsub-spec (+433) "/* Tracking read state or position */ +1 per item" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de deleted /Kajatest "Author request: deletes now work, thanks aaronpk"
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sgreger sknebel: i believe you've been working on parsing feeds with python? could you advise to what is the best starting point for that? some reasonably reliable library?
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sknebel sgreger: https://pythonhosted.org/feedparser/ for RSS/Atom feeds seems to be the "standard"
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sgreger sknebel: thx. now that i have the twitter parsing in place, i wonder would it make sense to merge rss feeds and incoming links from twitter into one tool ;)
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sgreger there is a bit of a semantic difference between "links shared by people i follow on twitter" and "new posts on sites i subscribe", but in terms of my workflow that might not matter all too much.
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sknebel do you have a feedreader you're happy with? then maybe turning the links from twitter into a feed would be an alternative
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sgreger indeed! i was thinking about that as well. i currently use feedly, but would like to go indie. having my own db/ui would allow seamless integration with bookmarking etc
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sgreger i actually have the PyRSS2Gen docs open as we speak
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Microsub-spec (+232) "/* Issues */ /* CORS */" (view diff)
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sknebel aaronpk: I added a bunch of thoughts to Microsub-spec under Issues, I hope that's the right place
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islandinthenet.com edited /generations (+29) "/* Generation 1 / Generation 2 */" (view diff)
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sknebel (there also was an empty "feedback" section, wasn't sure if it should go there instead)
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islandinthenet.com edited /generations (-3) "/* Generation 1 / Generation 2 */" (view diff)
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aaronpk Awesome will take a look
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Microsub-spec (+330) "/* Image Resizing */ microsub server caching images?" (view diff)
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sgreger aaronpk: i keep getting random errors 500 from the wiki today. on reload, the page appears just fine
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sgreger well, right now it is actually a persisting error
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tbbrown good morning. i'm not doing a very good job troubleshooting jonl's rsvp: http://weblogsky.com/2017/12/04/indiewebcamp-austin-december-9-10-2017-austin-texas/
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Loqi [jonl] IndieWebCamp Austin – December 9-10, 2017 – Austin, Texas
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schmarty !mf2 http://weblogsky.com/2017/12/04/indiewebcamp-austin-december-9-10-2017-austin-texas/
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Kaja https://php.microformats.io/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fweblogsky.com%2F2017%2F12%2F04%2Findiewebcamp-austin-december-9-10-2017-austin-texas%2F
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Loqi [jonl] IndieWebCamp Austin – December 9-10, 2017 – Austin, Texas
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schmarty tbbrown: it looks like the RSVP info is inside an h-entry nested inside the top-level h-entry
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cweiske who is kaja?
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tbbrown thank you schmarty!
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cweiske indieweb.org is dead for me, too
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[miklb] I believe kaja is another bot?
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cweiske permanently 500 internal server error
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sknebel yeah, wiki down ping aaronpk
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sknebel and yes, Kaja is a bot: https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/blob/master/data/U/User/Kaja.sknebel.net.txt
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aaronpk Uhoh what'd I do
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[miklb] something, something flux capacitor
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aaronpk back
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aaronpk -> #meta
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cweiske aaronpk, again 500 when trying to preview
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cweiske.de edited /IRC (+110) "/* Bots on IRC */" (view diff)
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cweiske.de edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net (+34) (view diff)
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cweiske.de edited /Loqi (+34) "/* See Also */" (view diff)
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sebastiangreger.net edited /reader (+554) "/* Brainstorming */ non-indieweb sources?" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Microsub (+116) "/* Servers */ add Monocle" (view diff)
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sknebel grantcodes: does together qualify as an in-development microsub example? if yes, could you add a sentence or two to /Microsub?
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sknebel (adding microsub on top of another readers API might also be an interesting solution & case study if it covers everything)
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loqi.me edited /silo (+231) "tantek added "2017-12-03 Joshua Topolsky / The Outline: [https://theoutline.com/post/2558/death-of-the-internet-net-neutrality-donald-trump-alt-right-gamergate-facebook-twitter The death of the internet / If we lose this, we lose everything.]" to "See..." (view diff)
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aaronpk loqitest https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/936735424143286272
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aaronpk oh gosh, who's ready for .mp4 files in <img> tags?
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aaronpk http://web.archive.org/web/20171204164627/https://calendar.perfplanet.com/2017/animated-gif-without-the-gif/
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aaronpk which by extension means we might start seeing some mp4 files in the microformats "photo" property
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aaronpk should be interesting
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Zegnat I seem to recall something about Chrome doing WebM in IMG as a follow-up to animatied-WebP. Maybe they never implemented that. But is the obvious parallel to this.
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Zegnat Took me half an hour to get my nginx redirects working how I wanted. But I think I learned a lot today :D (And zegnat.net + its wiki have moved to https on the new server.)
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk you still have some absolute http links on https://zegnat.net tho so it doesn't say "secure"
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Zegnat Yep, vanderven.se isn’t moved to the new server yet, so can’t have HTTPS
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aaronpk ah
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Zegnat Moving site-by-site
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Zegnat Worked to get non-HTTPS redirects working that also drop the www. subdomain.
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tantek aaronpk - I think the use of mp4 in img tags for silent moving images has been discussed before but I can't remember where
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aaronpk I wonder how long til the other browsers implement it
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sknebel or even if they do it?
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aaronpk (in case you didn't click the link, it's implemented in safari tech preview now)
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tantek.com edited /icon (+681) "expand dfn to include usage for types of posts, "how to" section/headings, unlink inactive homepage, add icon sets section with examples of icon sets, and supporting software (WP Post Kinds)" (view diff)
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@HongPong our first release of linkback the indieweb style handler for pingback and webmention in #Drupal8 is now out (8.x-1.0alpha1) https://www.drupal.org/project/linkback #indieweb #webmention #pingback (twitter.com/_/status/937735803668717570)
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tbbrown schmarty++ for helping me fix jonl's rsvp for indiewebcamp austin
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Loqi schmarty has 10 karma in this channel (54 overall)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Leaders (+1382) "/* Issues */ Managing community resources. h/t tantek" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /posting_graph (+233) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /contributions (+26) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /posting_graph (+40) "See Also" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /posting_graph (+33) "See Also" (view diff)
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tantek sparkline << posting graph
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Loqi ok, I added "[[posting graph]]" to the "See Also" section of /sparkline
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loqi.me edited /sparkline (+20) "tantek added "[[posting graph]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek calendar heatmap << posting graph
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Loqi ok, I added "[[posting graph]]" to the "See Also" section of /calendar_heatmap
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loqi.me edited /calendar_heatmap (+37) "See Also" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Loqi is adding multiple See Also sections.
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gRegorLove e.g. /posting_graph
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tantek all by itself?
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gRegorLove Oh, was one of those a manual edit?
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tantek nope
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tantek wow oops
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aaronpk oh dear
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aaronpk I wonder if the mediawiki api changed somehow
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tantek keeps breaking things
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tantek er, uncovering bugs, yeah :)
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tantek naming things is hard, that took a while (years?)
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tantek.com edited /posting_graph (+37) "dfn contributions" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /contribution_graph (+26) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /posting_graph (+90) "tantek added "https://help.github.com/articles/why-are-my-contributions-not-showing-up-on-my-profile/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /posting_graph (+319) "IndieWeb Examples, need dates+links for aaronpk, adactio. Collapse See Also sections" (view diff)
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gRegorLove what is heatmap?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "heatmap" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek pretty sure both aaronpk and adactio built theirs at indiewebcamps and posted about it
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tantek searching their posts for "sparkline" should find their permalinks
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aaronpk huh I can't find anything on https://url.spec.whatwg.org about hostnames being case insensitive
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Loqi URL
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tantek that's probably worth filing an issue about: https://github.com/whatwg/url/issues
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sknebel aaronpk: I think thats in the "domain to ASCII" steps, mapping uppercase to lowercase
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aaronpk hm should I make ipv4 and ipv6 addresses be not valid indieauth URLs?
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tantek I would say yes for v1 (invalid)
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aaronpk sknebel: I don't see that in https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#concept-domain-to-ascii
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tantek no use-case so far, better to start conservative, can expand later if someone wants
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sknebel aaronpk: https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr46/#IDNA_Mapping_Table
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aaronpk wow that is incomprehensible
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sknebel yes
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sknebel NFKC_Casefold does that. see also the examples, which list "A" mapped to "a"
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aaronpk alright anyone want to review this section? https://indieauth.net/spec/#identifiers
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sknebel looks sensible
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ben_thatmustbeme looks around for tommorris / kylewm
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ben_thatmustbeme I have questions about how mf2util is used
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ben_thatmustbeme additionally who is using the json format from webmention.io
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ben_thatmustbeme and who is using the json format output from mf2util
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sknebel ben_thatmustbeme: I've used mf2util
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm trying to get a list of consumers of jf2, mf2util and webmention.io both output jf2
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sknebel mf2util does jf2?
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sknebel it does produce python dicts that are kind of similar to jf2, but I don't think it can produce jf2 directly (e.g. it parses dates to python datetime datatypes, which I don't think would get serialized correctly by default)
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Zegnat aaronpk is there a reason for limiting to https? and no ports?
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Zegnat (That first questionmark is regex, the second is the actual sentence end. Woops.)
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loqi.me edited /IoT (+157) "tantek added "[https://advocacy.mozilla.org/en-US/privacynotincluded privacy not included: A Guide to Make Shopping for Connected Gifts Safer, Easier, and Way More Fun]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek cool - looks like the dupe See Also creation is fixed. thanks aaronpk
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loqi.me created /IndieWeb_Challenge (+39) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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@fhsales Want to know more about the importance of Webmentions? Check out this blog post for more info on the new Pingback! http://bit.ly/2iO1zo8 (twitter.com/_/status/937772248815013888)
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ben_thatmustbeme i believe it produces jf2 equivalent in python's structure
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ben_thatmustbeme so converting to json directly would be jf2
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gregorlove.com edited /posting_graph (+96) "/* Aaron Parecki */ date, links" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Kajatesting (+114) "prompted by sknebel and dfn added by sknebel" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /Kajatesting (+1) "linkify ('… is <url>' pattern)" (view diff)
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sknebel ben_thatmustbeme: it seems to treat e-content (gets turned to "content":"<html>..." instead of an object) and author (not marked as "type":"card") differently
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sknebel but it's closer than I thought, I had some of it's specialized functions in mind
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tantek what is imgix
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "imgix" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek hmm
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tantek getting an XSS warning on getbento.imgix . net URL
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aaronpk Zegnat: it doesn't say it's limited to https
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aaronpk I said no ports because so far i haven't seen anyone use one and so it's about documenting existing behavior
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sknebel Zegnat meant http(s)
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aaronpk If it's not http(s) it's not on the web
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tantek aaronpk agreed, keep it as tight/minimal as possible
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[kevinmarks] @sgreger python feedparser is the best way to parse feeds in any language. You're welcome to use the version I forked off before the current maintainer split it into loads of files.
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Zegnat I was mostly wondering about the http(s) requirement because of the people who are testing statically hosting their things on e.g. ipfs.
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Zegnat But especially if you are describing current implementations this look right to me!
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aaronpk the other reason is they need to be resolvable so clients can do discovery on them, and I'm not about to require that every client support additional (or arbitrary) protocols other than http
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Zegnat Makes sense.
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Zegnat Good to have a reasoning in place for the limitations you write into the spec :) Rather ask one too many questions and get the reasons than accidentally limit the spec too much by accident.
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HongPong are there any PHP examples or libraries for ActivityPub parsing available now? https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/
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Loqi [Christopher Allan Webber] ActivityPub
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[kevinmarks] Not sure about php. I think mastodon has a Ruby one
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gRegorLove what is activitypub?
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Loqi ActivityPub is a decentralized social networking protocol (W3C Candidate Recommendation) based on ActivityStreams https://indieweb.org/ActivityPub
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aaronpk anyone know of other authorization servers that parse the h-x-app markup when prompting users?
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tantek the nice thing is that if it seems to have worked "well" as you intended, it may be worth starting /h-app
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tantek the only other "collision" to keep in mind would be the whole install / store space
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tantek what is a store
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Loqi A store (or marketplace) is a service for discovering and then installing applications https://indieweb.org/store
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tantek though I feel like there is more opportunity than conflict there
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tantek more overlap than not
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tantek you can even cite the work there as "Previous Formats" as part of your research per microformats process: https://indieweb.org/store#App_Store_Specifications
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tantek because AFAICT, your h-x-app is essentially providing a subset of what all the web app manifest was trying to provide
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tantek (subset is fine, since you're building empirically)
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aaronpk true
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tantek the closest prior effort I found on microformats.org is http://microformats.org/wiki/downloads
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Loqi Downloads
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aaronpk wow
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aaronpk omg download.com
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tantek which is obv not the same thing - it's for "native" apps/software
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tantek whereas if I understand correctly, the indieauth h-x-app usage is all webapps
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tantek which is also the case for the webapp manifest stuff
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tantek but that being said, whether web or native, there's likely overlaps there too
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tantek at least worth mentioning
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tantek anyway it's probably worth starting microformats.org/wiki/app per microformats.org/wiki/process, feel free to clone from http://microformats.org/wiki/downloads as a start
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Loqi Downloads
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