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@cvanw Learn 3 new cool APIs that @Lady_Ada_King's been digging in to … https://medium.com/samsung-internet-dev/raindrops-on-roses-whiskers-on-kittens-declarative-web-apis-and-truly-serverless-web-endpoints-50d733e6d867 1️⃣ IndieAuth https://indieauth.com/ 2️⃣ @DasSurma's https://github.com/GoogleChromeLabs/comlink 3️⃣ nifty Custom Elements tricks https://gist.github.com/AdaRoseCannon/60dc448b1124bcfb7be14209b8124f5c?ts=2 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ5O0i_XkAYJtWJ.png (twitter.com/_/status/940776040317767685)
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[jeremycherfas] Jezza
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@calum_ryan Last Homebrew Website Club London of 2018 🎄 Webmention RSVP to https://hwclondon.co.uk/meetups/20171213 or register at https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/homebrew-website-club-london-tickets-40975912056 (twitter.com/_/status/940864614589485056)
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@calum_ryan Last Homebrew Website Club London of 2017 🎄 Webmention RSVP to https://hwclondon.co.uk/meetups/20171213 or register at https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/homebrew-website-club-london-tickets-40975912056 (twitter.com/_/status/940865330200670208)
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@ChrisAldrich Thanks to #WordPress with #Webmentions and some #IndieWeb magic, I'm finally able to have a completely natural back and forth conversation from one @WordPress site to another. Twitter, Facebook: Eat your hearts out! http://boffosocko.com/2017/12/13/finally-blog-to-blog-communication-with-simplicity/ (twitter.com/_/status/940874676695420929)
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@DasSurma Ooh! @Lady_Ada_King has been playing with IndieAuth, Comlink and Custom Elements and blogged about it: https://medium.com/samsung-internet-dev/raindrops-on-roses-whiskers-on-kittens-declarative-web-apis-and-truly-serverless-web-endpoints-50d733e6d867 (twitter.com/_/status/940894483574657024)
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Zegnat Just finished reading the reply-to discussion between snarfed and aaronpk. sknebel was right, khurtwilliams’ use of p- instead of u- (which aaronpk) does means that Khurt isn’t replying to a URL. p-in-reply-to means the parser has to take the p-name from the h-cite as value.
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Zegnat Often overlooked. It is the deepest part in the parsing process tree here: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parse_an_element_for_class_microformats
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] microformats2 parsing specification
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sknebel Zegnat: sure, although consuming code might explicitly parse nested objects for their urls as well
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Zegnat Yes, if anyone’s consumer is specifically build to *not* use mf2 parser value output and always goes looking for u-url in child h-* objects it wouldn’t matter.
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Zegnat But I am guessing not a lot of consumers do that. Which is why it is important to inform people of what mf2 prefixes do.
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sknebel agreed. was more a question - I don't know what consumers do that (I'd assume primarily those that care about other details in the nested object, so something just looking for the reply.to wouldn't unless it wants to reuse the cite for something?
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Zegnat !tell aaronpk is xray.p3k.io not up to date? It doesn’t seem to parse e.g. RSS?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk should be, what feed is it failing on?
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Zegnat We were discussing feed parsing, and apparently something didn’t work. Waiting for sknebel with the test-case... :P
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sknebel aaronpk: Zegnat: the feeds from xkcd.com failed
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aaronpk weird
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aaronpk ohh
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aaronpk easy fix :)
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aaronpk should be live now
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aaronpk I might have to special-case those feeds in order to get a real "photo" property in the JSON output tho
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Zegnat Could that be done just by adding another Format file to XRay? I was looking into how those Formats work. I might be interested in adding one for YouTube.
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petermolnar whispers lightly: YAMLfeeds
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Zegnat Hahaha
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Loqi rofl
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Zegnat What is YAMLFeed?
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Loqi YAMLFeed is an attempt to ensure there is always a format war; since JSONFeed claims to be more readable, writable and easier to parse, than RSS, we present YAMLFeed: even more easier to read and write https://indieweb.org/YAMLFeed
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Zegnat Yours is offline still petermolnar :(
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[manton] I know that it's a joke, but YAML is really not more readable than JSON. Generating YAML from code is actually really difficult.
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[manton] I should've added a smiley in there. 🙂
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Zegnat Oh, yeah, we had a big discussion about YAML not too long ago [manton]. In my experience YAML parsers are also extremely incompatible with eachother.
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Zegnat You really need to stick to a small subset of YAML features.
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sknebel yeah. I like yaml for config files I write manually, but it's a bad format for interchange IMHO
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www.boffosocko.com edited /read (+97) "/* Other Examples */ Xavier Roy" (view diff)
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[manton] Cool. I was kind of surprised when I went to generate YAML files and ran into issues. Luckily don't really deal with them very much except trivial config files. 🙂
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Zegnat I think it was tantek who asked if it was worth defining a subset of YAML to support. But that gets you onto a slippery slope really fast.
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sknebel it's a bit to powerful, and the parsers aren't in great shape... everyone uses the same few, but they are barely maintained. e.g. I had issues with the python one where even "take this dict, write to disk, load again" didn't produce the original data because it silently dropped parts of it
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tantek YAML's feature bloat enabled a bunch of security exploits AFAIK. Something about Ruby gem server or something?
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tantek what is Chrome
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Chrome" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Chrome is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is Google Chrome
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Chrome" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Google Chrome is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is Edge
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Edge" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Edge is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is Microsoft Edge
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Microsoft Edge" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Microsoft Edge is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek.com edited /Payment_Request_API (+1328) "add a bunch of vendor docs" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk please review and note which ones were useful in you making stuff work (vs not) https://indieweb.org/Payment_Request_API#Documentation
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vanderven.se martijn created /User:Vanderven.se_martijn/hwc-2017-347 (+6024) "Initial posting of notes, might need some clean-up after lunch" (view diff)
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Zegnat After lunch? Dinner, obviously. Wow. I must really need food.
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Zegnat sknebel feel free if you think I missed any links ^^^
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Zegnat sknebel, interesting, display-standalone seems to be the only webapp mode that is specifically mentioned to be put in the application launcher: https://www.w3.org/TR/appmanifest/#dom-displaymodetype-standalone
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+482) "Nicolas Hoizey: Medium is only an edge server of your POSSE CDN, your own blog is the origin" (view diff)
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[eddie] chrisaldrich looks like your reply mf2 might be a bit confused: https://eddiehinkle.com/2017/12/12/2/article/
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] Owning my Reading and 100 Days of Reading Chapters
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www.boffosocko.com created /IndieWeb_Book_Club (+705) "prompted by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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chrisaldrich Eddie: Part of it is an mf2 flaw showing the bio that I need to fix. The summary part I've only recently seen popping up in a few places, but it isn't consistent across platforms/parsers. I'll see if I can troubleshoot what's going on. Thanks!
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Zegnat svg << http://www.otsukare.info/2017/11/02/fatwigoo
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Loqi ok, I added "http://www.otsukare.info/2017/11/02/fatwigoo" to the "See Also" section of /SVG
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loqi.me edited /SVG (+64) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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Zegnat [eddie], your website shows me only a huge menu icon when I load it, may I point you at http://www.otsukare.info/2017/11/02/fatwigoo ? ;)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /User:Vanderven.se_martijn/hwc-2017-347 (+169) "fill in gap: akismet also privacy-relevant, GDPR context for new attention to this" (view diff)
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sknebel Zegnat: ^^^ gap filled, I think otherwise you covered everything
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Zegnat Neat-o!
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gRegorLove read << IndieWeb Book Club
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Loqi ok, I added "[[IndieWeb Book Club]]" to the "See Also" section of /read
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loqi.me edited /read (+25) "gRegorLove added "[[IndieWeb Book Club]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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sknebel What is Akismet?
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Loqi Akismet is an anti-spam webservice from Automattic that has various levels of service both free and paid https://indieweb.org/Akismet
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[kevinmarks] Straightforward subset of YAML? That's JSON
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Akismet (+267) "wordpress: active by default, no user info about it" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /pledge (+160) "Zegnat added "[[MailMate]] lets users become a Patron by setting up [https://sites.fastspring.com/freron/product/mailmatepatron a recurring payment] through [[FastSpring]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /book (+182) "carved out subsection for library examples; emojicon; added link to collection" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Akismet (+64) "clarify not active by default" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Ok, now I have an example of a "to-read" and a "reading": https://gregorlove.com/2017/12/currently-reading-a-wrinkle-in/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] Currently reading: A Wrinkle in Time
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gregorlove.com edited /read (+121) "/* gRegor Morrill */ first p-read-status=reading" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Hm, Woodwind strips the <cite> element
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Zegnat Probably it doesn’t whitelist it. A lot of HTML display stuff works with whitelists.
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jkphl.is uploaded /File:hwcnue-2017-12-13.jpg "Attendees of the Homebrew Website Club Nürnberg 2017-12-13 https://indieweb.org/File:hwcnue-2017-12-13.jpg"
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loqi.me edited /GDPR (+160) "Zegnat added "[https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/gdpr-compliance/ Is Your Website GDPR Compliant?] With extra focus on [[WordPress]] and plugins that collect personal data." to "See Also"" (view diff)
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gRegorLove https://twitter.com/HenrikJoreteg/status/940979752113905666
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@HenrikJoreteg It sure seems like Google may be starting to list a few PWAs in the Play Store: http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/12/13/google-maps-go-shows-play-store-go-phones-can-give-try-anyway/ (twitter.com/_/status/940979752113905666)
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loqi.me edited /GDPR (+239) "sknebel added "https://www.gdprwp.com/ – We aim to give plugin developers a simple solution to GDPR validate their plugin, and offer Website Administrators the overview and tools to handle the administrative tasks involved with being GDPR compliant."..." (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /bitcoin (+97) "/* Criticism */ difficult to sell" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /bitcoin (+242) "/* Difficult to Sell */" (view diff)
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Zegnat gRegorLove interesting. I was looking at PWAs on Android during vHWC and Android already tells you they are “installed from Google Play Store”.
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gRegorLove what is gpdr?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "gpdr" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "gpdr is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove What is gdpr?
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Loqi GDPR is the EU General Data Protection Regulation which sets much tighter guidelines on use of personally identifiable information, and is backed by law, including fines for non-compliance https://indieweb.org/GDPR
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gRegorLove What is PWA Directory?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PWA Directory" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "PWA Directory is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove PWA Directory is a directory of [[PWA]] https://pwa-directory.appspot.com
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /PWA_Directory (+101) "prompted by gRegorLove and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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Zegnat E.g. go to https://resilientwebdesign.com/ in Chrome for Android, use “Add to Home screen”. Now go to Apps in your Settings, you will find “Resilience” in there. Tap it to see the App info. Scroll down and you will see it says “App installed from Google Play Store”.
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gregorlove.com edited /PWA_Directory (+169) "PWA itself, github link, see also" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Hmm, Github: GoogleChromeLabs, Disclaimer on that repo: This is not a Google product.
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sknebel that's not unusual with Google stuff
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gRegorLove But like, it is Googlers working on it, right? Just curious. I assumed it wasn't official when I came across it.
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sknebel as I understand, a) a lot of stuff Googlers work on on the side ends up in Google repos due to them claiming rights on it and b) they want to seperate "we share this" from "we support this"
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gRegorLove Zegnat: it shows up in Settings > Apps for me, but I don't see installed from Google Play Store. I'm on a Nexus 5x though, so not the latest Android
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gRegorLove Android 6.0.1
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gRegorLove sknebel: makes sense
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Zegnat gRegorLove: https://i.imgur.com/roEJqiF.png - Android 7.0
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sknebel What is Web Push?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Web Push" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Web Push is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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sknebel What is Web ush?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Web ush" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Web ush is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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sknebel What is WebPush?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WebPush" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "WebPush is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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vanderven.se martijn created /a11y (+27) "This goes hand in hand with /i18n." (view diff)
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Zegnat What is a11y?
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Loqi Accessibility is the practice of designing so that people with disabilities can have equal access to information and functionality, applicable to both websites as well as physical environments https://indieweb.org/a11y
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tantek.com edited /Mozilla (+144) "stub former projects" (view diff)
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[eddie] Zegnat: Thanks for the heads up. I've made a note of that article so I can look into it 🙂
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[eddie] !tell chrisaldrich: Looking at your html, it seems like you should be able to put an e-content block below the h-cite. So you would have an h-cite block, an e-content block, and your author-info block. I feel like that would solve all the issues, that said I'm not sure if that would cause issues in your template
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] !tell chrisaldrich: The other issue is I think you only have an hentry and not an h-entry, so it might be parsing things as mf1 instead of mf2?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gregorlove.com edited /Pushover (+12) "tweak dfn, wiki links" (view diff)
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tbbrown gRegorLove: i think i misinterpreted your guidance about adding u-url on my like of your post
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gRegorLove oh? I can take a look again
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tbbrown i added u-url to the link to your post
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gRegorLove I just noticed the minimal markup on the wiki for /like causes the problem, so will update that with a better example too.
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tbbrown cool
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gRegorLove The u-url should be the link of your like.
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tbbrown got it. thanks.
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tbbrown fixing...
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gregorlove.com edited /like (+15) "/* mark up and post a like */ improve basic example to avoid incorrect implied u-url parsing" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Mozilla (+149) "no need to be comprehensive, yet note those that are IndieWeb related" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Ok, the basic example has been updated here: https://indieweb.org/like#mark_up_and_post_a_like Basically making it so the <a href> isn't the direct child of the h-entry, so the implied u-url won't be parsed
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gRegorLove An explicit u-url is a good idea on post permalinks, but as a minimal viable example, this at least prevents the issue we ran into where the parser thought your permalink was my post.
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gRegorLove Does that look good / sound right, tantek? ^
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gRegorLove tbbrown++ Looks good at this link: http://herestomwiththeweather.com/social/2017/12/10/82343/
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Loqi Liked https://gregorlove.com/2017/12/my-project-for-todays-indiewebcamp/
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tantek gRegorLove: good catch and I think we need to do more like put explicit p-summary
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tbbrown cool. thanks for your help! gRegorLove++
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tantek we really need to review / update all the "How to" markup examples for every post type linked from [[posts]]
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gRegorLove wiki sidebar needs to have IWC Baltimore linked
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gRegorLove Well, text of link changed.
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gRegorLove /next-iwc is redirecting properly
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tantek on it
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eddiehinkle.com edited /100DaysOfIndieWeb (+158) "/* More 100 days projects */ + 100 days of listening idea" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+3) "IWC Baltimore!" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /like (+18) "/* mark up and post a like */ p-summary per tantek, second example still needs review" (view diff)
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