#dev 2017-12-12

2017-12-12 UTC
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tantek post works locally, now to try publishing it and sending a webmention
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tantek and it totally worked!!! https://aaronparecki.com/2017/12/11/21/ (note the comment)
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] @tantek Requesting $16 for the Blue Star donuts! 🍩 https://aaronparecki.com/pay/16
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tantek and fallback on Twitter: https://twitter.com/t/status/940382393097228288
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@t @aaronpk.com paid in full via Venmo! Thanks for the @BlueStarDonuts! 🍩🍩🍩🍩 (ttk.me t4rr1) (twitter.com/_/status/940382393097228288)
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tantek whereas on my site that first @-name now links to aaronpk.com instead of the aaronpk twitter handle: http://tantek.com/2017/345/t1/aaronpk-paid-thanks
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] @aaronpk.com paid in full via Venmo! Thanks for the @BlueStarDonuts! 🍩🍩🍩🍩
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tantek ok I'm going to let that run on my site for a while to see if I notice anything broken anywhere before committing the update to cassis.js to GitHub later tonight
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tantek if you see anything mislinked on tantek.com or any tantek.com posts please let me know!
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www.boffosocko.com uploaded /File:Goodreads_recent_updates.PNG "Screenshot of user's recent updates https://indieweb.org/File:Goodreads recent updates.PNG"
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www.boffosocko.com uploaded /File:Goodreads_my_activity-particular_book_view.PNG "Screenshot of Goodreads activity for a particular book https://indieweb.org/File:Goodreads my activity-particular book view.PNG"
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www.boffosocko.com uploaded /File:Goodreads_reading_progress.PNG "Screenshot of Goodreads reading progress for a specific book https://indieweb.org/File:Goodreads reading progress.PNG"
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www.boffosocko.com uploaded /File:Goodreads_currently_reading_widget.PNG "Screenshot of Goodreads currently reading widget https://indieweb.org/File:Goodreads currently reading widget.PNG"
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www.boffosocko.com edited /read (+646) "moved TOC; example of expansion for physical books; Goodreads screencaptures of functionality" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:airbnb-review-step-1.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:airbnb-review-step-1.png"
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:airbnb-review-step-4-private-note.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:airbnb-review-step-4-private-note.png"
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:airbnb-review-step-4-details.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:airbnb-review-step-4-details.png"
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:airbnb-review-step-5.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:airbnb-review-step-5.png"
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:airbnb-review-step-5-tips.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:airbnb-review-step-5-tips.png"
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:airbnb-review-confirmed.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:airbnb-review-confirmed.png"
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aaronparecki.com created /AirBnB_Reviews (+1827) "screenshots of airbnb review flow" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /AirBnB_Reviews (+50) "see also" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /review (+466) "replace redirect with stub content not about the format" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /h-review (+13) "/* See Also */" (view diff)
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Zegnat Anyone know why oEmbed provider endpoints aren’t discoverable?
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sknebel Zegnat: ?
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sknebel they can be
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cweiske e.g. http://p.cweiske.de/525 has oembed links in the head
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cweiske <link rel="alternate" title="oEmbed" type="application/json+oembed" href="http://p.cweiske.de/oembed.php?format=json&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fp.cweiske.de%2F525" />
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cweiske <link rel="alternate" title="oEmbed" type="application/xml+oembed" href="http://p.cweiske.de/oembed.php?format=xml&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fp.cweiske.de%2F525" />
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Zegnat I mean generally. There is no way to discover “http://p.cweiske.de/oembed.php?format=json&url={$URL}”
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cweiske but http://p.cweiske.de/new has no oembed
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cweiske or http://p.cweiske.de/list
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Zegnat Sure, but your endpoint could just return an error code for that.
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cweiske also, different pages could have different oembed providers
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cweiske e.g. /images could have /oembed-image.php as provider
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Zegnat That is true
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cweiske what are you trying to do?
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Zegnat Nothing. It was just a thought. The spec writes about how a provider “must specify” (must?!) URL scheme and API endpoint pairs (https://oembed.com/#section2.1) yet it seemed like this specification isn’t discoverable.
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cweiske but that 2.1 does not define where it should do that, right?
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Zegnat No, which is why discovery is impossible.
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Zegnat And I was wondering “why”
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cweiske I know that e.g. wordpress has a hard-coded list of providers
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cweiske of that url-scheme to api-endpoint associations
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Zegnat Yes, and you can get this registry from oembed.com.
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Zegnat Just feels weird to me to have to keep a registry instead of making the URL mappings (which are a “must specify”, apparently) discoverable.
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cweiske there should be a well-known URI for that
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cweiske https://github.com/iamcal/oembed/issues/100
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Loqi [Riuujin] #100 Providers must specify one or more URL scheme and API endpoint pairs
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cweiske There's not really any need - most providers (including YouTube) just use the discovery link tags
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Zegnat Yep, and that’s probably correct. Still would be nice (and limit the HTTP requests) if I could grab the mapping configuration once per domain.
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Zegnat Rather than doing discovery for every link.
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cweiske but I think link discovery is ok
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cweiske and that 2.1 section should be removed completely
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Zegnat I could totally see a well-known URI for this, btw. Seems like a correct usecase.
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Zegnat I can also get behind removing the section 2.1, yes
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Zegnat I was also thinking it may be possible to build a rudimentary mf2-to-oembed service. If your website could just set the API endpoint once you wouldn’t need to go and add links to every page pointing to the service.
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Zegnat I don’t know. Felt like they were onto something with section 2.1 and URL mapping, but dropped it by not making those mappings discoverable.
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loqi.me edited /pronoun (+48) "jeremycherfas added "http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=35776" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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eddiehinkle.com edited /100DaysOfIndieWeb (+75) "Move 100 days of reading chapters to an active project rather than brainstorm" (view diff)
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@cswordpress @jonbmetz @sarahebourne @jsutt And if you publish on your own platform, you can use tech like webmention to pull all the resulting social media conversation back into your original site, as comments to the original post. Best of both worlds. (twitter.com/_/status/940598890394464258)
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jeremycherfas.net edited /payment (+158) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Added myself" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Storify (+72) "See Also" (view diff)
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GWG snarfed, saw your push
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snarfed 👍
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GWG snarfed, I am glad you agreed it was a simple solution
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snarfed for the rest of the channel, since you tend to be circumspect :P https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/784
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Loqi [dshanske] #784 Search by Letter on User Page
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snarfed (rare use case, but still, easy fix)
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GWG For me, people ask me to troubleshoot their Bridgy stuff because of the unofficial official Bridgy WordPress plugin
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GWG Those individuals often miss inf
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snarfed GWG: you should add links to their bridgy user pages in wordpress!
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GWG snarfed, as rel me?
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snarfed GWG: no, as UI, so you can follow them yourself instead of having to search for them :P
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GWG I do add them to the settings page if they register through the plugin
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snarfed ok!
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GWG But I can't follow them as I don't have admin
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snarfed you can ask for them! but yeah, easier than even the new letter links is just putting their domain in the url, e.g. brid.gy/twitter/[DOMAIN], as mentioned in the issue
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GWG Sometimes they forget to give it, honestly
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GWG So I look while I am waiting
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GWG snarfed, either way, it's good
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@jasperfurniss @shiflett Inspecting your code now 😀 Your layout.css is so readable. Love the comments/doc. And IndieAuth is neat! Love it man. (twitter.com/_/status/940637843302633472)
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@shiflett @jasperfurniss Still a few details to iron out, but yeah, IndieAuth is super neat. (twitter.com/_/status/940640164908429314)
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gRegorLove For p-read-status I'm thinking about changing value "want-to-read" to "to-read"
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gRegorLove Doesn't need to be as verbose for a machine-readable value I don't think. Has the same meaning.
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gRegorLove So the values I've brainstormed so far: to-read, reading, finished
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GWG I like to-read
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[xavierroy] How will you mark stuff you're reading again? Re-read?
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gRegorLove [xavierroy]: Good question, I'm not sure. It kind of depends how you would want the plain text to appear in your post, and how you might want consumers to show it.
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gRegorLove E.g. maybe you still want it to show "Reading: Title" and an additional property indicates how many times you've read it
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tantek what is plain text design
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "plain text design" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "plain text design is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is text first design
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Loqi Text-first design refers to the practice of designing information so that it is usable/actionable in its most basic plaintext form https://indieweb.org/text_first_design
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tantek plain text design is /text_first_design
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /plain_text_design (+30) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek darn it I thought that was fixed
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[eddie] GWG xavierroy: I think those p-read-status match my use case so far. I would have to-read, reading and finished. If I re-read a book, I would go from finished, to reading, and to finished again.
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[eddie] I won't really want to know how many times I've read a book WHILE I'm reading it, but I would want to be able to tally up how many times I have finished reading the book. So as long as I post a finished post every time I read the book, that works for my use case
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[eddie] oops I meant gRegorLove, not GWG 🙂
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gRegorLove Sounds good, eddie. Yeah, I'm not even to that point in my use-case, so I'd be speculating to add statuses at this point. Of course, anyone can experiment with publishing different ones.
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gRegorLove I am excited to start using those three statuses with Quill, though.
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+195) "/* Upcoming */ Storify" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+111) "/* Upcoming */ Storify link" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Storify (+535) "How to export, site-death" (view diff)
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GWG I read too
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snarfed 😂
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loqi.me edited /Storify (+15) "gRegorLove added "[[Livefyre]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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GWG I have a
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GWG I have an autographed copy of Oauth 2.0 simplified to read
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tantek oh nm
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tantek aaronpk when Loqi makes a redirect like https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2017-12-12/1513104215075200
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Loqi [loqi.me] created /plain_text_design (+30) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek"
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tantek the prose should say so like "and redirect added by"
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aaronpk ooh instead of "dfn"
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tantek yeah
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aaronpk yep
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tantek because I was fooled into thinking it got it wrong, when Loqi did the right thing
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tantek -> https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2017-12-12/1513104226989700
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Loqi [tantek] darn it I thought that was fixed
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aaronpk fixed
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tantek woohoo!
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tantek what is text design
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "text design" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "text design is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Loqi giggles
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tantek what is text first design
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Loqi Text-first design refers to the practice of designing information so that it is usable/actionable in its most basic plaintext form https://indieweb.org/text_first_design
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tantek text design is /text_first_design
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /text_design (+30) "prompted by tantek and redirect added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek boom!
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tantek fix confirmed
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aaronpk there's another bug with that but it'll take a bit longer to resolve
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aaronpk it should have looked up the page /text_first_design and seen that it's a redirect, and added /text_design -> /text-first_design instead, cause now /text_design is a double redirect
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tantek oh yeah - like the See Also feature
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tantek anyone see any auto_link bugs on any tantek.com links? if not I'm going to deploy the @-domain-name update in the next few hours
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tantek auto_link function in tantek.com/cassis.js if you want to check the code
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (-93) "Make "Upcoming" one list, "in months" distinction doesn't seem necessary currently" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Heh, I got an HTTP 418 sending a pingback to manton's IWC post
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www.svenknebel.de edited /site-homepage (+191) "/* New live modules */ Kaja generates upcoming HWC list" (view diff)
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[manton] gregorlove Heh, yeah... My own blog is not in a very good state in terms of IndieWeb stuff. I've been hesitating to invest in it since I don't think I'm going to keep it on WordPress.
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Main_Page (+194) "/* Upcoming Homebrew Website Club meetups */ add note about what's going on" (view diff)
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GWG manton... I am sad
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gRegorLove manton: Fair. You could add webmention.io as the pingback / webmention endpoints as a stopgap
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tantek agreed - that's definitely worth it
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tantek and that way your pb/wm is not tied to a CMS
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tantek the data at least
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aaronpk building block all the things
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4rsYhKb_.jpg
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tantek modularize all the things
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4rsK0gw1.jpg
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tantek and of course for you aaronpk
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tantek as a service all the things
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[manton] @GWG Nothing against WordPress. But I think I need to use the blogging platform I wrote myself more.
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GWG I uj
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GWG I understand
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tantek selfdogfood++
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Loqi selfdogfood has 1 karma in this channel (7 overall)
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GWG I feel like that sad Native American
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tantek.com edited /payment (+417) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ subheadings for people, note new features on aaronpk's and tantek's /pay pages as of IWC Austin" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /payment (-201) "/* How */ gratipay is gone" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /payment (-10) "/* rel-payment examples */ -gratipay" (view diff)
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sknebel afaik there is librapay as a gratipay fork, but limited to libre-content?
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (-207) "/* Payment Links */ shipped payment page with amount from URL! (at IWC Austin)" (view diff)
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sknebel huh, mediawiki api ignores writes that don't change a page, thats nice
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aaronpk never heard of it. worth adding to the page if you can track down info
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sknebel what is donation?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "donation" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "donation is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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sknebel what is pledge?
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Loqi pledge is a recurring donation https://indieweb.org/pledge
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sknebel pledge << https://liberapay.com/ pledge-only (does not allow rewards), fee-free service for libre content
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Loqi ok, I added "https://liberapay.com/ pledge-only (does not allow rewards), fee-free service for libre content" to the "See Also" section of /pledge
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loqi.me edited /pledge (+98) "sknebel added "https://liberapay.com/ pledge-only (does not allow rewards), fee-free service for libre content" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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aaronpk snarfed: I haven't tried setting up bridgy fed yet, but will my markup also not work then? https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com%2F2017%2F11%2F29%2F20%2F
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sknebel I'd guess p-reply-to vs u-reply-to?
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snarfed aaronpk: i take it back, you're right. h-cite p-in-reply-to does work. khurtwilliams has bigger problems though. that post's markup is kind of all over the place.
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aaronpk ah k
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aaronpk yeah the "value" of the in-reply-to property is the URL, so even if you aren't consuming the whole h-cite you can at least find the URL there
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2017-12-12-12-54-25-m2zm81Bp2c.jpg
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tantek.com edited /payment (+718) "improve why, add why with amount (with specific use-cases), move Payment page with amount from Brainstorming to How, add a few more tips" (view diff)
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snarfed right!
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+37) "/* Payment Links */ link to brainstorming" (view diff)
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snarfed khurtwilliams: ok, i see your most recent test < 500 chars, and it looks like you have the redirects set up right. not sure why it's still not working.
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khurtwilliams Hate to drop off but I forgot what time it is.
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gRegorLove Bad news for templated apps in the Apple App Store: https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/08/apples-widened-ban-on-templated-apps-is-wiping-small-businesses-from-the-app-store/
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snarfed khurtwilliams: np! i think i see the bug. i'll keep you posted.
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[tantek] Nah that's good. Those apps should be websites any way
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gRegorLove Sure, but it sucks if you're one of those businesses with an app and now you're being forced out
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gRegorLove We built an app for a client using PhoneGap, which I don't think will be affected, but I was concerned for a moment.
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gRegorLove And honestly I tried and tried to convince that client to do a PWA first, but they resisted. They really wanted to be able to say "find our app in the App Store" heh
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gRegorLove Oops, thought I was in #indieweb-chat
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sknebel (can iOS do websites that work offline?)
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KartikPrabhu sknebel: with service workers it only depends on the browser not the OS
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sknebel KartikPrabhu: on iOS, all browsers have to use Safari internally
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KartikPrabhu oh yeah. I think Safari does have service workers support
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KartikPrabhu or Blink rather
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KartikPrabhu sknebel: you could try adactio.com
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KartikPrabhu it has offline service worker
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sknebel don't have an iOS device, for reasons like this ;)
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KartikPrabhu me niether
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KartikPrabhu turns out Safari does not support https://caniuse.com/#feat=serviceworkers
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gRegorLove confirmed, doesn't work on iPod Touch
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aaronparecki.com edited /Main_Page (+38) "move header bar lower" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: ^^ did I overdo your edit?
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aaronpk oh maybe
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aaronpk heh xss auditor keeps blocking preview
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aaronparecki.com edited /Main_Page (-302) "move home page css to template" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu sorry, feel free to keep whichever you like. I added a margin-top to home-header
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aaronpk there we go, fixed
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KartikPrabhu yup, confirmed