[eddie]With people posting more things like listen and watch posts, and as Microsub gets stable, it’ll be really cool to be able to use readers to do some cool things like showing podcasts or tv shows that your friends have been watching.
grantcodesYeah that could be awesome! I've not checked if there are set mf properties for stuff like watch / movie title, otherwise it would be hard to check if you and I have watched the same show
[eddie]Yeah, that’s the key. As long as you’re saving all the data, we’ll be able to work out the mf2 as we look at trakt and services like that. Right now the three main people I know tracking all the info is you, me and cleverdevil
LoqiIt looks like we don't have a page for "payment request api" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "payment request api is ____", a sentence describing the term)
aaronpkPayment Request API is a W3C specification for collecting payment information (credit card, billing address, etc) by the browser, to help streamline the payment process on a web page.
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sknebelI used it manually to figure out the best embed for wordpress.tv videos. didn't quite understand what's supposed to be going on, but figured it out
[miklb]oh, you mean embedding another WordPress site, yeah, I think that’s built in. I’ve not explored Oembed much, just handy for things like tweets, Youtube videos and I noticed Meetup too.
LoqiA snarkinition is a portmanteau of (and meaning both) snarky and definition, often used to start wikifying a technology or piece of jargon which is not necessarily well regarded, sometimes as an implicit challenge to advocates to step-up and say why otherwise https://indieweb.org/snarkinition
tantek[miklb] re: code of conduct - please do not conflate treatment of people vs. treatment of ideas/technologies/projects - that does a disservice to the important aspect - respecting and being kind to *people*, whether individuals, or as a group with particular attributes.
tantekOTOH ideas/technologies/projects and even companies *should* be critiqued, criticisms documented, issues filed etc. (does not justify snark, to be clear, just clarifying that such things are not people)
aaronpkI tend to agree, snarkinitions don't actually benefit anyone. they're most likely offending anyone behind the specific technology, which puts them off instead of encouraging them to contribute to the wiki, and they aren't helpful for new people reading them either, since they don't actually provide a definition and make it look like the wiki is summarily dismissing whatever it is without actual
tantekand frankly I'm both ok with that, and think it's *good* to discourage people who are mean to people (personal attacks), or make physical threats etc.
tantekthe grey area is how to encourage (or discourage) people that harm productivity (typically as a side-effect of continuous academic / non-practical advocacy/debates)
tantekthus perhaps it's not the most effective method, but snarkinitions for such academic / non-practical efforts, if they to put them (theoreticians / architecture astronauts) off, that's actually a good thing for the health of the community
aaronpkin this specific example, oEmbed does not fall into either of those categories (academic or non-practical), since it is actually widely implemented and still in use.
Loqiarchitecture astronomy is the practice of analyzing problems, seeing patterns, and then generalizing to higher and higher level abstractions on top of those patterns to the point where the abstractions become so general, so vague, so detached from the original problems being analyzed, that they don't mean anything at all https://indieweb.org/architecture_astronomy
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snarfedGWG: ok! honestly i don't think this is the best time to work on that though. i think we need to figure out the plugin/theme interop question first, since that will have a significant impact on code organization.
snarfedthe order should be something: 1) nail down a protocol for how plugins and themes negotiate who renders mf2, 2) prototype btw a few plugins/themes, 3) implement (and reorg code if needed)
Zegnatdgold: have a script go through all the previously received webmentions and send their exact contents (source & target) to your new endpoint again. Basically replaying.
ZegnatYou will then lose the original date times of them coming in. And you will need to have deduplication set-up so you do not start showing comments multiple times, just in case.
snarfed[miklb]: thanks! nah, that's fine. i'm deliberately taking a back seat, since fewer people is generally better for decision making, and wordpress mf2 interop isn't a priority for me personally right now...
Loqiok, I added "https://aaronparecki.com/2017/12/11/21/ - a plain text invoice post with a link to submit payment" to the "See Also" section of /invoice
tantekseem much more indieweb to hyperlink that to the domain and not the twitter handle (though Twitter will link the @-name so maybe that's why I did that? to match Twitter?)
Loqi[cleverdevil]: [eddie] left you a message 20 hours, 24 minutes ago: I’m assuming you’re storing the in-depth watch info in your storage? Or are you just storing a summary?
grantcodes Haha thanks eddie
tantek.com moved /File:2917-344-iwcaus-demos-tom.jpg to /File:2017-344-iwcaus-demos-tom.jpg "copy/pasteo typo"
gRegorLove what is payment request api?
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "payment request api" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "payment request api is ____", a sentence describing the term)
loqi.me created /Payment_Request_API (+210) "prompted by gRegorLove and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
aaronpk Payment Request API << https://www.w3.org/TR/payment-request/
www.boffosocko.com edited /commonplace_book (+122) "/* Presentations */ link to video of Privett presentation" (view diff)
[jeremycherfas] Snarky? Defns? Surely not.
tantek benwerd have you seen https://indieweb.org/2017-12-indieweb-challenge ? We're making great progress!
[cleverdevil] Oh, cool, its a Ben.