ZegnatYou are probably able to post a description value in the Micropub request. I haven’t tested that. But that would be counter to Micropub and not be compatible with any other endpoint.
ZegnatThere are definitely several people who would love to see better Micropub in Known, so if you got their attention, do feel free to rope in other people for assistance ;)
jeremycherfasI've given some details of the request and the results. Now, thanks to your help, I can flesh out what is happening. I couldn't remember the details.
Loqiaaronpk: [eddie] left you a message 15 hours, 11 minutes ago: Created two PRs on Aperture for the scope string/array and the different channel scopes.
aaronpkOh yeah 256 might not work... might need to do 190. The other fix is the limit the index to only the first 767 bytes but I don't think there's a syntax in the ORM for doing that so you have to do it manually
tantekgerwitz interesting. for such "automatic" things, I lean towards "view time" to 1. preserve precisely what was authored (rather than automatically implied), and 2. assuming that the "autolink" software may be updated for fixes or to autolink more things in the future
tantekI have observed that Twitter however applies autolinking at publish time, and thus we are able to see a history of when Twitter started autolinking things
[gerwitz]Meh. Autolinking is sugar, so I think I will deal with that and let the browser do it. After all, it kind of feels like something a mature browser should be doing for you, with user preferences.
[gerwitz]yeup. I’ve shortened the time enough that it works for me as a user. (In fact, I *like* that it takes more than 60 seconds from me hitting “post” to it existing on the web. It reduces the temptation to tweetstorm.)
[gerwitz]I may go hybrid and detect at “build” time that recognizable data exists, and mark it up for handling client-side. Sending webmentions might be facilitated with a “mentions” feed that another service consumes and uses to ping
tantekgetting the "reply flow" to be as smooth as possible has been one of the longstanding big challenges in the indieweb and frankly any "federated" systems
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jackjamiesonsnarfed: Does bridgy do two passes when fetching posts then? i.e. first find permalinks in the h-feed, then parse each permalink individually?
jackjamiesonI render them in the feed, but truthfully they're not a high priority. I've been including them as a matter of completion (and I guess I find it interesting to see where people are syndicating)
jackjamiesonTo further answer [eddie]'s question about what I've struggled with (that microsub might help solve), generally I've found normalizing data to be a challenge. But much of that might be resolved for now. Probably I need to spend a bit more time with the microsub spec to understand it better
[eddie]Ahh, that makes sense, jackjamieson. From the front-end perspective microsub definitely helps normalize data. I am NOT a great person at data manipulation, so it has made it incredibly easier to build Indigenous depending on a microsub server.
[eddie]That said, there is only one alpha testing mode Mirosub server (called Aperture), so we definitely need more Microsub servers that handle the normalization
[eddie]Since your project is currently handling both aspects of Microsub (parsing and viewing the feeds), your project is in a unique place where if you have resolved the majority of issues you’ve come across it might be more useful to have Yarn support the Microsub server capabilities.
[eddie]It would give you a standard normalization to attempt to store your data as, and would allow people who use your plugin to essentially host their microsub data in Wordpress
[eddie]Hmmm how would authentication work on those? I guess it would be like Bridgy where you log in via IndieAuth, and then into the thing such as feedly to connect the two
jackjamieson[eddie] that's a good idea. I expect I'd have a fair bit of work to do to further improve my normalization, but I like the idea of being able to support other clients. I have some other goals to figure out first, but it's worth considering
[eddie]snarfed: I was imagining essentially a Microsub endpoint that allows you to get feeds from Feedly in a Microsub client rather than behind the scenes fetching. But apprently Feedly’s API only works for the $18/month Pro user
snarfed1) connect to existing user accounts on existing feed reader services. requires user login, etc. the service still owns each user's feeds, read status, etc.
Zegnat“microsub wrappers around existing feed fetching services” – I was even thinking the other way around, bridge Microsub to Fever API. So I could try running Aperture yet keep using my current RSS reader.
[eddie]!tell aaronpk: Known’s syndicate-to returns: “syndicate-to”: [ “indiesyndicate::https://news.indieweb.org/en” ] is this a previous standard or just something Known made up?
ZegnatI think Shaun did the right thing stopping sales though, as he hadn’t worked on it for quite a while. Guess the alternative would have been to go open-source.
ZegnatThe API readers could use to communicate with a Fever server got implemented by several readers and subsequently also implemented/emulated by different servers.
ZegnatThe Old Reader, I think, emulates the Google Reader API still. But most servers seem to have moved away from that one. At least the ones I have seen in the last couple of years.
ZegnatIn as far as documentation is ever “closed-source, non-open”, yes. KartikPrabhu. But as Fever reached feature completion a while ago, I do not think the API actually got changed much if at all. So it was pretty safe to implement/emulate it.
ZegnatMaybe you need to reauthorise with Indigenous? I expect the token it uses needs to have certain microsub scopes, and it may not have requested those first time ’round?
ZegnatI now kinda want to tag a microsub endpoint onto Sink that will not let you subscribe to any outside feeds but lets everyone login to read the Sink feed itself :P
[eddie]Ahh gotcha. Okay, I don’t know anything other than Ubuntu. haha. But basically there is a file you need to run every so often. Let me track down the file, I think I added it as a service in my Ubuntu
[eddie]Yeah, so I created a ubuntu systemctl service that starts up every time my server starts. But essentially in the /scripts directory, it runs watchtower.php using PHP
Loqiaaronpk: [eddie] left you a message 1 hour, 54 minutes ago: Known’s syndicate-to returns: “syndicate-to”: [ “indiesyndicate::https://news.indieweb.org/en” ] is this a previous standard or just something Known made up?
[eddie]That’s true sknebel. I’ve thought about it before but then I didn’t necessarily encourage more people to try it out and thus broaden aaronpk’s “workload” while in the early stages 😆 It’s a no win situation
[eddie]Does anyone have media fragment webmention support built in to their site? I know I’ve seen regular fragment support built in. I’m guess probably not
[eddie]So no one has probably headed in that direction. I guess eventually I would think a webmention that includes a media fragment would have a “jump to segment” link next to the comment
[eddie]I guess really the most important part is when the post is embedded in the author’s site. Meaning my site should recognize the media fragment and include the media with the time stamp
@jjdelc Success! Sending and receiving #webmention implemented .. https://jj.isgeek.net/2018/02/08-075450-am/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVf2_iFW0AIxCdS.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/961508620541325312)
jeremycherfas !tell zegnat Do you remember where in Known the Description was stripped from $type=bookmark? I see postCreate() at https://github.com/idno/Known/blob/master/IdnoPlugins/IndiePub/Pages/MicroPub/Endpoint.php#L134 but I can't seem to find the blog you found
Loqi Zegnat: jeremycherfas left you a message 54 minutes ago: Do you remember where in Known the Description was stripped from $type=bookmark? I see postCreate() at https://github.com/idno/Known/blob/master/IdnoPlugins/IndiePub/Pages/MicroPub/Endpoint.php#L134 but I can't seem to find the blog you found
Zegnat the Micropub endpoint converts the h-entry content to the body parameter here: https://github.com/idno/Known/blob/03c1d7d0da2e9449b98ffdfb95617477c74501c5/IdnoPlugins/IndiePub/Pages/MicroPub/Endpoint.php#L376
@lbroekman @frankmeeuwsen Zodra jij van Facebook afgaat, komt de ijsberg in zicht. Kortom, alle hens aan dek. Off topic - die webmentions bij het blogbericht, dat ziet er goed uit. (twitter.com/_/status/961556048971739137)
@frankmeeuwsen @lbroekman Dank je :-) Nu nog een keer de tijd en inzichten vinden om die webmentions goed vorm te geven! (twitter.com/_/status/961558197961142272)
dgold I has an error: https://pastebin.com/QCJa7YW8
tantek and that rabbithole led to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cleanup_list#Clone_and_create_Template:Cleanup_table?
[gerwitz] (this convinced me, because where a hashtag links to feels like a user preference: https://gist.github.com/thealscott/2829002 )
@JmacDotOrg @chipotlecoyote I am hungrily following the links to http://micro.blog and (incidentally to this particular post) Webmention, both news to me. (twitter.com/_/status/961637524681740293)
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[cleverdevil] Bug report for ya eddie.
[eddie] !tell aaronpk: Known’s syndicate-to returns: “syndicate-to”: [ “indiesyndicate::https://news.indieweb.org/en” ] is this a previous standard or just something Known made up?
[kevinmarks] Google reader api was like that too
@stewartbrand I will buckle down to work as soon as I finish reading the Internet. (twitter.com/_/status/675355437504462848)
gRegorLove If we can review / deploy https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/pull/64 that should fix the "doesn't link back" issues on indiewebify.me
aaronpk need to run this file to make the tables in watchtower https://github.com/aaronpk/Watchtower/blob/master/schema/schema.sql
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