#dev 2018-02-18

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[miklb] is their an OPML importer for Together by chance?
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[miklb] s/their/there
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[cleverdevil] Nope. There may be one in Aperture?
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[miklb] oh, right. I just recall seeing some feeds hard coded in a json file when I originally looked at Together and forgot the big picture
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, its changed a *ton* since then 🙂
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[cleverdevil] Thanks mostly to [grantcodes] and [aaron_pk], but I'm trying to catch up 😛
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[cleverdevil] Oh, and technically speaking, the wip-bookmark-of feature actually creates an `h-entry` with a `bookmark-of` property, a `name`, and `content`.
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[cleverdevil] (Though, it seems that Known has a bug accepting the content on bookmarks created via Micropub...)
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[cleverdevil] I think my brain has had enough for the day 😛
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[miklb] hmm yeah, now prompted for a login with my site but doesn’t seem to do anything. I’ll keep an eye out for when it’s ready for wider testing
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, it requires a Microsub endpoint, which you very likely don't have yet.
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[miklb] no, I’ve been distracted with other things, so only following the websub dev from afar
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KartikPrabhu does Twitter only allow 4 photos in a post?
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aaronpk yes
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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tantek KartikPrabhu: https://indieweb.org/multi-photo#Twitter
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kartikprabhu.com edited /multi-photo (+157) "/* Twitter */" (view diff)
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tantek oh that's clever KartikPrabhu
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KartikPrabhu ;)
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tantek considers filing a Bridgy Publish feature request
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tantek if # of photos to POSSE > 4, then tweetstorm the photos
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KartikPrabhu yeah the first one was with bridgy but the second was manual
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tantek KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi kartikprabhu has 14 karma in this channel (167 overall)
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aaronpk nice
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tantek for demonstrating manually what would be great to automate!
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KartikPrabhu here is the original https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/ithaca-winter with both Twitter links as syndication
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] Winter in Ithaca https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/DKiEwgaclyZ8SwhndGsDtYjmlMkXqnC5M8QR_NN4uMk3i1I_DbuV9GSBPXeyojb_Z22ED2hnRv4Ty-idacvxhn6kSEJk4QeDc7DCeLyy13cMEzz-J3ibvshyti55ICzlTgiw0SjRrecE-BDdm1_BAhCcXgkbq4_vmR2X-Y9_qjkatlTJFjTy6C4JNKA8Jl3mhcnVNmPNRksFL13CVjeUjmFzsz9ptNEa3MRQj6Vh4yMyCeBSmJhrPAazZGGlm1tXc_oqMGwCwVO7Ge5FTrSE2fVJGWs5X0HY4FjGK_3DhFQPFUXwHAHY0MXAFnkGBtEobgaF2sIEa-wssKz6eQlm7fQlheG370HOfq_2NUQiaHqn_aHh9oA7Hgcmze3uJqjkXbgV_ryK5FXca0wqoKAuDi35sqW6eUCgUMr90qn2qfRdsJ8dGK9Gs4EX88uGIBTte-eq5Vl0-8EXqBpATeuWfQHbcUBj8XsgH32Z5dNX8mYy7iQhtndAwymSCIeZ_PczH4JnrrjjDps4W05yJi4-tG4lHcowfpPa1xAeCAuU2TTRHy1YufwTtTHhYkSoQTxpyST0qJ2M_JZYgtPNZsl0l43b2SqeJqMx228V-xPb=s5000
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tantek wat
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KartikPrabhu implied name
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KartikPrabhu oh sorry, me using the Google to host phoots
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tantek looks like /multi-photo may need a POSSE section, or a How to POSSE
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tantek similar to https://indieweb.org/photo#POSSEing but with a better heading
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KartikPrabhu hopes bridgy does not send my second tweet as a reply
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I totally expect that to happen lol
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tantek goes back to implementing one Bridgy Publish feature before requesting another
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GWG tantek: What are you implementing/requesting?
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tantek implementing owning my issues and comments on issues
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tantek using Bridgy Publish to POSSE to GitHub
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tantek the request was going to be to extend Bridgy Publish photos to Twitter to support to consider posting >4 photos in subsequent tweetstorms
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GWG tantek: I'll have to get started on those at some point. I have issues opened
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tantek oh dear kylewm's cert expired https://kylewm.com/2013/11/website-is-posseing-to-twitter-yay-for-holiday-hacking-now-time-to
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Loqi yay!
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tantek and "uses HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS) to specify that Firefox may only connect to it securely. As a result, it is not possible to add an exception for this certificate."
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tantek gives Loqi a stern look
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Loqi jumps on the stern look
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tantek what is https admin tax
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tantek what is hsts
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Loqi https admin tax is the additional amount of regular administrative work you or your web host must do to keep your https site running and available even if you make no other changes to your site and want to just leave it alone https://indieweb.org/https_admin_tax
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Loqi HSTS is an acronym for HTTP Strict Transport Security, an HTTP header that indicates to browsers how long the website should only be accessible over HTTPS for https://indieweb.org/HSTS
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tantek https admin tax << If you use [[HSTS]] and fail to renew your certificate, visitors are unable to even try to view your site by adding an exception for your expired certificate.
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Loqi ok, I added "If you use [[HSTS]] and fail to renew your certificate, visitors are unable to even try to view your site by adding an exception for your expired certificate." to the "See Also" section of /https_admin_tax
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GWG Haven't heard from kylewm in ages
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tantek HSTS << http admin tax
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Loqi ok, I added "http admin tax" to the "See Also" section of /HSTS
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tantek I wonder what happened here: http://t37.net/note/30913-quoting-t-about-having-multiple-indieweb-projects-instead-of-monoculture-no-real
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tantek (note the markup visible on the page)
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tantek glennjones certificate appears to be expired too http://glennjones.net/notes/2014-01-15
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tantek.com edited /note (+1465) "How to publish minimal example, How to POSSE, start Past Examples list, verify all IndieWeb examples, move as necessary" (view diff)
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tantek !tell [cleverdevil], [miklb], sknebel, grantcodes, [eddie], dgold, Zegnat, Ruxton Do you remember when you posted your first "note" post on your own site? Link to it in a new section in https://indieweb.org/note#IndieWeb_Examples and insert your new section in date order! (and link to any POSSE copy you posted too!)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek falls into a bit of a rabbithole updating /multi-photo
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tantek thanks KartikPrabhu for that :P
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tantek did Instagram used to only support 6 photos per multi-photo?
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cleverdevil.io edited /note (+179) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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tantek \o/
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cleverdevil.io edited /User:Cleverdevil.io (+267) (view diff)
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[cleverdevil] boogies
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tantek a-ha - found my first multi-photo *POSSE* to Instagram
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[cleverdevil] That reminds me. Its high time I downloaded all of the content I lost on my two original websites from the wayback machine and put them back online.
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[cleverdevil] I still own the domains.
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tantek oh nice!
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tantek backfill from Wayback machine!
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tantek what is backfill
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Loqi backfill is the action of importing all your past posts, typically from a social media silo, into your own site https://indieweb.org/backfill
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tantek make it so and we'll update the dfn accordingly :)
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[cleverdevil] Woot.
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Loqi woot
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[cleverdevil] FWIW, I just found this: https://github.com/hartator/wayback-machine-downloader
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Loqi [hartator] wayback-machine-downloader: Download an entire website from the Wayback Machine.
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[cleverdevil] Already working on it, and it seems to be chugging right along.
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[cleverdevil] It'd be really cool if I could import all of my old content into my new website, and create a bunch of redirects.
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[cleverdevil] That might be an interesting project for the long weekend.
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tantek wow
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tantek that sounds like the kind of thing a lot of people here would be interested in!
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tantek what is the wayback machine
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Loqi The Wayback Machine is a digital archive of web pages created by the Internet Archive https://indieweb.org/Wayback_Machine
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tantek [cleverdevil]: ^^^ perhaps add to that? Maybe in a "How to download your old site" or similar heading?
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[cleverdevil] I've got short ribs coming out of the pressure cooker at the moment, so I'll do it in a bit 🙂
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GWG [cleverdevil]: I'll have to ask you to share some recipes sometime
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[cleverdevil] GWG: https://cleverdevil.io/content/recipes/
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[cleverdevil] 🙂
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[cleverdevil] (I need to add to that... a lot...)
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GWG [cleverdevil]: Not enough pressure cooking
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GWG I have an Instapot and I want to use it
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tantek.com edited /multi-photo (+3218) "How to POSSE, Twitter, FB, Flickr, Instagram, examples of Instagram manual multi-photo POSSE, update my indieweb example per current practice since 2017-090." (view diff)
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[cleverdevil] Its so good!
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[cleverdevil] Do the risotto recipe on my site.
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[cleverdevil] Its amaaaaazing.
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tantek wonders if [cleverdevil] supports h-recipe
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[cleverdevil] Also quite good as a vegan recipe if you're that kind of person.
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[cleverdevil] (I do, in fact I wrote a plugin for Known that generated all of those recipes and is h-recipe compat)
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GWG [cleverdevil]: Low carb diet and not a vegan.
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[cleverdevil] I'm also low carb at the moment.
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[cleverdevil] Serving this short rib with low-carb cauliflower/kabocha mash.
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GWG [cleverdevil]: Will have to get the recipe once we add #indieweb-food
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tantek wow amazing
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tantek [cleverdevil]: add yourself to this too then! https://indieweb.org/recipe#IndieWeb_Examples
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tantek schmarty - would you be up for doing a live version of This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition at Summit?
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tantek it was quite popular when podcasters did live editions at the XOXO conference in Portland in front of a live audience,
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tantek s/,/.
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tantek oops that was meant for #indieweb-meta
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tantek wow looking through my old (multi-)photo posts from almost a year ago is now making me really want /onthisday functionality
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tantek checks his itches
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tantek what is onthisday
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "onthisday" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "onthisday is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is on this day
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Loqi on this day is a feature on some silos and indieweb sites which show posts published on the current (typically Gregorian) day of the year in previous years; commons sites tend to show more general historical events that occurred on that same day https://indieweb.org/on_this_day
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tantek onthisday is /on_this_day
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /onthisday (+24) "prompted by tantek and redirect added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek eddie++ for the nice blue "On This Day..." card at the top of his homepage: https://eddiehinkle.com/
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Loqi Eddie Hinkle
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tantek cleverdevil++ for the nice separate page https://cleverdevil.io/onthisday/
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Loqi cleverdevil has 10 karma in this channel (60 overall)
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[cleverdevil] Thanks 🙂
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grantcodes [cleverdevil]: Your updates to Together look great!
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Loqi grantcodes: [cleverdevil] left you a message 5 hours, 2 minutes ago: take a look when you get a chance - https://github.com/cleverdevil/together/issues/16
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Loqi grantcodes: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 21 minutes ago: Do you remember when you posted your first "note" post on your own site? Link to it in a new section in https://indieweb.org/note#IndieWeb_Examples and insert your new section in date order! (and link to any POSSE copy you posted too!)
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grantcodes Is there a way you can give me access to the settings on GitHub and I can set up continuous deployment to my server.
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cleverdevil.io edited /recipe (+339) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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[cleverdevil] [grantcodes] thanks! Glad I can *finally* contribute. I learned a ton from just reading through the existing code.
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[cleverdevil] Let me see if I can make that happen.
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tantek.com edited /on_this_day (+843) "/* Brainstorming */ expand a few, add Home page box" (view diff)
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grantcodes Yeah react takes a bit of getting used to but not the most difficult thing in the world 🙂
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[cleverdevil] Looks like the best I can do without creating an organization is giving you push access.
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[cleverdevil] At least, as far as I can tell.
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grantcodes Hmm maybe I can send you the urls for hooks or add you to my ci 🤔
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[cleverdevil] Either way works for me.
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grantcodes In your development did you see what was causing the crashes that you and aaronpk were seeing?
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+471) "/* Working On */ On This Day" (view diff)
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[cleverdevil] Nope, I didn't get a chance to look at that.
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[cleverdevil] Was mostly just trying to get a little more comfortable with the codebase.
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[cleverdevil] Still thinking of a standalone domain for the Together-aaS.
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[cleverdevil] So far, the best one I've been able to find is togther.ist
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[cleverdevil] err... together.ist
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[cleverdevil] But, I don't love it.
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grantcodes Yeah honestly thought maybe a different name would be better. Together is awfully generic
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[cleverdevil] It is indeed.
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[cleverdevil] I still like it 🙂
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KartikPrabhu Together is a nice name
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GWG grantcodes: Like what? Apart?
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[cleverdevil] So, I have the error from the crash.... I can't make heads or tails of it.
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[cleverdevil] https://cleverdevil.io/s/j8MQ5kupwa.png
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grantcodes Well I suppose once there is a domain it becomes less generic
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[cleverdevil] I can send you the feed URL if that helps.
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[cleverdevil] It contains my sessionid for Instagram, so I'd prefer to send it via PM 🙂
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grantcodes Anyone got $6000 to buy together.online 😂
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grantcodes [cleverdevil]: mail@grant.codes
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[cleverdevil] Haha
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Loqi [cleverdevil]: lol
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[cleverdevil] Sent.
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[cleverdevil] We could do bring.it-together.io
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[cleverdevil] Or bring.it-together.online
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[cleverdevil] or get.it-together.io
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grantcodes Too long and dashes are a no no for me
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[cleverdevil] Yeah.
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[cleverdevil] Hey, together.sexy is only 40 bucks!
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KartikPrabhu lol
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[cleverdevil] There are lots of extensions available for `togetherapp` and `togetherproject`.
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schmarty hunh. google says they're launching .app this year
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schmarty https://www.registry.google/
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[cleverdevil] same with `alltogether` with lots of extensions.
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[cleverdevil] alltogether.cloud is available 🙂
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[cleverdevil] and `togetherfor.me`
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[cleverdevil] Sigh. So far, my two favorites are `alltogethernow.io` and `together.ist`
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[cleverdevil] Oh, and `togetherapp.io`
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grantcodes Ha I do find alltogethernow quite funny
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grantcodes The bug with the crashes was multiphoto posts
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[cleverdevil] Ah hah
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grantcodes Pushing online now
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[cleverdevil] OMG, this is the best way to consume Instagram.
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[cleverdevil] Especially with the gallery view.
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grantcodes Yeah actually almost gives me a reason to sign up to instagram!
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[cleverdevil] Haha
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Loqi nice
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[cleverdevil] Oh, just noticed the gallery view doesn't have a "load more" button.
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grantcodes I know people pesos from Instagram, but is it possible to syndicate to instagram? Not looked into it
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[cleverdevil] Not possible.
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[cleverdevil] I have stopped using it for publishing. Purely for consumption.
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grantcodes Nope, no load more there or in the map view just now. Also need a way to swipe between photos in the gallery
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[cleverdevil] Good idea.
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[cleverdevil] Okay, gotta put the kids to bed. Bbl.
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loqi.me created /POO_SNOW (+20) "prompted by tantek and redirect added by tantek" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu what is poo snow?
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Loqi POOSNOW is an acronym for Post On One Silo, No Others on Web, the worst known web syndication or cross-posting model https://indieweb.org/POO_SNOW
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KartikPrabhu lol
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loqi.me edited /lulz (+14) "tantek added "[[POOSNOW]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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grantcodes Ok load more added to the gallery!
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aaronpk Ooh can't wait to check this out
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aaronpk Markdown << http://ericholscher.com/blog/2016/mar/15/dont-use-markdown-for-technical-docs/
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Loqi ok, I added "http://ericholscher.com/blog/2016/mar/15/dont-use-markdown-for-technical-docs/" to the "See Also" section of /markdown
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grantcodes Just want to get swiping / clicking between photos working then the gallery view will be awesome!
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[cleverdevil] Nice. Infinite scroll would be awesome too.
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[cleverdevil] Oh also def take a look at the wip-bookmark-of branch.
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KartikPrabhu oh no! no infinite scroll!
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KartikPrabhu does not use together so feel free to ignore
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grantcodes Haha needs to be an option :P
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Loqi hahaha
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[cleverdevil] Haha! I got collapsing cards working 🙂
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Loqi [cleverdevil]: lol
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[cleverdevil] Needs some tweaking.
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[cleverdevil] But, I'm on the right track.
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grantcodes Awesome!
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grantcodes I've just getting the gallery updated
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[cleverdevil] https://cleverdevil.io/s/xDQjr9PuA5.mp4
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[cleverdevil] Expando-contracto!
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KartikPrabhu [cleverdevil]: looks nice! except usually the expand/contract control is on the top-right=
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, been thinking about where it belongs too.
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[cleverdevil] The material-ui sample does it like this: https://cleverdevil.io/s/PEzsu4B7T9.png
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KartikPrabhu intersting. maybe I am thinking of twitter
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[cleverdevil] I can go either way. I think I need to keep fiddling and see what works best.
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schmarty aaronpk++ for watchtower and aperture
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schmarty dgold++ for the tutorial posts on getting watchtower and aperture up and running!
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schmarty eddie++ for indigenous microsub support!
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schmarty grantcodes++ for hosted together!
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schmarty just got it all working and feeling magical
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[cleverdevil] \o/
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[cleverdevil] Its really coming along nicely 🙂
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grantcodes [cleverdevil]: see if you can log in here to set up deployment: https://drone.tpxl.io
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[cleverdevil] So, it will give you access to basically everything in my account 🙂
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[cleverdevil] Is there not a way to request just a single repo?
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grantcodes Umm yeah dunno to be honest. I usually only use it on my own repos
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[cleverdevil] 🙂
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[cleverdevil] Blurgh. This should be easier.
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schmarty !tell aaronpk: just set up aperture and happily playing with sources. haven't found this reported anywhere, but aperture reports no feeds found for http://tantek.com/ as well as the fragment ID url to the h-feed at http://tantek.com/#updates
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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grantcodes Probably should try and setup travis, but never used it myself and would need to give it a ssh key to deploy it
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[cleverdevil] Okay, pushed up initial work on expand/collapse.
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[cleverdevil] Got part of the way toward an "expand/collapse all" toggle in the app bar, but am getting a little woozy, hehe.
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[cleverdevil] Gonna have to leave CI/CD for another day. I'm gonna hit the sack.
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[cleverdevil] (We could also just set up an organization for this project, and then share that).
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grantcodes Cool, I might just do it the lazy way and write a cron job, just want to get that set up soon because I'm going to be travelling soon, so want other people to be able to deploy it 🙂
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[eddie] !tell tantek I have really enjoyed my “on this day” feature this year since last year is really when I started posting seriously. I’ve already had some good memories pop up in Jan and Feb
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] schmarty, welcome to the Microsub club!
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schmarty [eddie]: 🎉
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[kevinmarks] I made spiderpig check the Internet Archive for 40x pages. Wondering if 410 should too
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vanderven.se martijn moved /💩🌨️ to /💩🌨 "Dropping the trailing U+FE0F"
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loqi.me created /Unicode (+140) "prompted by Zegnat and dfn added by Zegnat" (view diff)
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[tantek] Ooh that’s a very good /Markdown critique article
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Loqi [tantek]: [eddie] left you a message 3 hours, 45 minutes ago: I have really enjoyed my “on this day” feature this year since last year is really when I started posting seriously. I’ve already had some good memories pop up in Jan and Feb
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[tantek] 👍
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Unicode (+1099) "Add my collection of unicode things" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] since I last spent time on mf2py, looks like the test harness has changed and I'm nto sure how to run them now
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[tantek] What is Google Cloud Platform
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Cloud Platform" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Google Cloud Platform is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] Related: https://simplenote.com/2018/02/15/web-application-outage-details/
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Loqi [Dan] Web Application Outage Details
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dgold nnnngggghhhhh
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Loqi dgold: tantek left you a message 10 hours, 59 minutes ago: Do you remember when you posted your first "note" post on your own site? Link to it in a new section in https://indieweb.org/note#IndieWeb_Examples and insert your new section in date order! (and link to any POSSE copy you posted too!)
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dgold i'm loving playing with aperture, but it is really cementing my brain-strain with reference to lack of standardisation on the web, even in the indieweb.
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sknebel ?
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Loqi sknebel: tantek left you a message 11 hours, 9 minutes ago: Do you remember when you posted your first "note" post on your own site? Link to it in a new section in https://indieweb.org/note#IndieWeb_Examples and insert your new section in date order! (and link to any POSSE copy you posted too!)
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dgold sknebel: the JSON delivered is a mess, frankly. and it isn't aperture/aaronpk's fault; its that parsing is hard.
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dgold e.g. there's one site I follow where the guy when he posts a 'like-of', the content of the like is contained in <a title="foo bar" …>
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dgold so all xray (and aperture) extracts from that is a bare link, no content.
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Zegnat I think I mark up likes as only a URL 🙄
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Loqi Zegnat: tantek left you a message 11 hours, 16 minutes ago: Do you remember when you posted your first "note" post on your own site? Link to it in a new section in https://indieweb.org/note#IndieWeb_Examples and insert your new section in date order! (and link to any POSSE copy you posted too!)
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sknebel many people probably do, especially those with more manual workflows
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Zegnat The alternative is what? Nested h-cite I guess?
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vanderven.se martijn edited /note (+301) "/* Martijn van der Ven */ Link to first post of the new blog, and example multi-paragraph note" (view diff)
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Zegnat !tell tantek was this the sort of examples you were after? https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=45399&oldid=45379&rcid=45293
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk What do you mean "content of the like"? The only content needed is the url, and you can optionally include an h-cite with the expanded version of the thing being liked, but there isn't any other content
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Loqi aaronpk: schmarty left you a message 7 hours, 29 minutes ago: just set up aperture and happily playing with sources. haven't found this reported anywhere, but aperture reports no feeds found for http://tantek.com/ as well as the fragment ID url to the h-feed at http://tantek.com/#updates
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aaronpk schmarty: that's odd... I know it worked for Tantek's site at one point!
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[tantek] Zegnat++ yes re note :)
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Loqi [tantek]: Zegnat left you a message 20 minutes ago: was this the sort of examples you were after? https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=45399&oldid=45379&rcid=45293
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[tantek] Schmarty aaronpk odd have not made many changes to that template
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aaronpk Hm I am suspicious that it seems to fail after exactly 4 seconds. I think I need to increase the timeout on the http client
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[tantek] Uh oh my homepage takes longer than 4 Sec?
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aaronpk Not 100% sure that's the problem yet but will check when I'm back at my computer
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Zegnat Ah, I did a webextension again. Probably 100 extensions that do this same thing, but I wanted to communicate TOTP keys to my phone and didn’t trust random extensions not to use e.g. Google to generate the QR code images.
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Zegnat If anyone needs Firefox to generate a QR code and also does not feel like auditing random extensions, here you go: https://github.com/Zegnat/browserext-url-to-qr-code
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Loqi [Zegnat] browserext-url-to-qr-code: A super simple Browser Extension for generating QR codes from URLs.
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aaronpk hm yeah i'm getting ~5 seconds to fetch tantek.com
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Zegnat 4869 ms of “waiting” between “connecting” and “receiving” on tantek.com according to Firefox tools
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Zegnat DOMContentLoaded at 5.48 seconds, oof.
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Zegnat And I block all JS/CSS/IMG, so nothing should even be blocking the DOM
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aaronpk I was just testing via curl
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aaronpk no rendering
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[miklb] [eddie] does Indigenous add html markup when it sends a reply? (Just getting around to start testing in earnest)
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sknebel github pages appears to be preparing for https for custom domains: https://github.com/isaacs/github/issues/156#issuecomment-366504568
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Loqi [terryburton] This is in progress. They are actively obtaining LE certs for custom domains using gh-pages, e.g. https://bwipp.terryburton.co.uk
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk huh interesting repo https://github.com/isaacs/github
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Loqi [isaacs] github: Just a place to track issues and feature requests that I have for github
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sknebel yeah, that's kind of an unofficial github support forum, for lack of an actual one
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Zegnat That repo is especially well known for https://github.com/isaacs/github/issues/283
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Loqi [jmm] #283 View list of issues I'm subscribed to, on the website
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aaronparecki.com edited /authorship (+504) "/* Questions */" (view diff)
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aaronpk !tell tantek would appreciate your feedback on https://indieweb.org/authorship#list-of-h-entrys-with-h-card
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk makes me wonder if we should have a github repo for the authorship algorithm so issues are easier to track
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Zegnat ponders how much of mailing list criticisms apply to GitHub issue trackers, as oposed to wikis.
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aaronpk not many
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aaronpk in fact a lot of the properties of wikis also apply to github issues
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Zegnat I probably prefer an explicit issue tracker like GitHub to the wiki. So +1 form me either way.
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tantek Zegnat, we are making that switch for microformats specs for example
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 20 minutes ago: would appreciate your feedback on https://indieweb.org/authorship#list-of-h-entrys-with-h-card
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tantek and dang that's way to slow. need to check the server
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[eddie] Especially as more and more people POSSE GitHub issues and comments, GitHub becomes a better resource in the event that it ever went down
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tantek eddie++ thanks for the nudge :)
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[eddie] 😉
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[eddie] !tell miklb: Replies don’t send HTML. It sends in-reply-to with the url and a content property that contains the plain text. My site accepts plain text as markdown as well. So it essentially works like micro.blog
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] !tell miklb Are you hoping for HTML support? If so, feel free to add it to GitHub so I can track that as a requested improvement 😁
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek aaronpk we should encourage h-feed markup to capture that h-card and h-entrys at the same level
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tantek.com edited /authorship (+262) "/* Questions */ use h-feed" (view diff)
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aaronpk okay
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aaronpk so how do we convince adactio and miklb to make that change? :)
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aaronpk the immediate use case for me is their name and photos are not appearing in my reader
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tantek maybe by adding documentation to /h-feed
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tantek and your use-case is a good addition for /h-feed#Why
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aaronparecki.com edited /h-feed (+43) "/* Why */" (view diff)
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tantek could also add documentation to /h-entry saying if you omit author because it is the same for every entry, then wrap your h-entry's in an h-feed and put author on that
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aaronparecki.com edited /h-entry (+185) "/* How to publish */ rephrase wrapping h-entrys in h-feed" (view diff)
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[miklb] [eddie] OK thanks. Just trying to track down where this mf2/html is coming from in my reply post. I’ll check the WP template next.
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Loqi [miklb]: [eddie] left you a message 12 minutes ago: Replies don’t send HTML. It sends in-reply-to with the url and a content property that contains the plain text. My site accepts plain text as markdown as well. So it essentially works like micro.blog
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Loqi [miklb]: [eddie] left you a message 10 minutes ago: Are you hoping for HTML support? If so, feel free to add it to GitHub so I can track that as a requested improvement 😁
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Zegnat Hmm, interesting, it looks like xray is having some problem with my permalink pages
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aaronpk what sort of problem?
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tantek.com edited /h-feed (+59) "move WordPress classic hfeed below h-feed examples and discussion" (view diff)
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Zegnat {"data":{"type":"unknown"},"url":"https://licit.li/5a01a6c54cf4a","code":null}
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aaronpk hm code:null means the http request failed
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aaronpk https://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Flicit.li%2F5a01a6c54cf4a
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aaronpk "Empty reply from server"
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Zegnat No, I am pasting the HTML in by hand to make sure it is not the HTTP request being the problem
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tantek.com edited /h-feed (+44) "dfn draft not experiment, and optionally common author" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh weird
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tantek what is h-feed
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Loqi h-feed is a microformats2 draft specification with a top level feed object to contain h-entry posts and optionally a common author https://indieweb.org/h-feed
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tantek aaronpk ^^^ and that
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aaronpk Zegnat: I copied the html and xray.p3k.io handled it fine
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Zegnat Oh, it seems to work on your instance. Maybe i broke something in local xray
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Zegnat Yeah, just noticed aaronpk
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aaronpk wow google still hasn't updated php on appengine, it's still 5.5
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www.svenknebel.de edited /GDPR (+317) "linkify, applicability to person sites" (view diff)
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snarfed !tell cleverdevil,grantcodes re github permissions for https://drone.tpxl.io/ , try switching the repo oauth scope to public_repo
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed more gory details in https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-02-13#t1518546301964300 (thread)
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Loqi [snarfed] ok, confirmed re github permission granularity:
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aaronpk what is drone.tpxl.io?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "drone.tpxl.io" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "drone.tpxl.io is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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schmarty aaronpk: thanks for the aperture update! i was able to subscribe to the microformats feed at tantek.com. now after adding the feed aperture log reports "Error parsing source from http://tantek.com/"
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schmarty aaronpk: might be watchtower hitting the same http timeout?
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tantek still haven't tracked down the speed issue
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tantek it was under 2 sec before
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aaronpk schmarty: hmm lemme chec
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tantek blocking another bad robot
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schmarty is doing the bad thing asking for help with an unsupported project 😣
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aaronpk grantcodes: did I read that you fixed the multiphoto issue in together or was I just dreaming?
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grantcodes Yeah it's fixed
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Loqi grantcodes: snarfed left you a message 1 hour, 2 minutes ago: re github permissions for https://drone.tpxl.io/ , try switching the repo oauth scope to public_repo
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aaronpk cool, then I have another bug report for you 😂
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grantcodes Haha nice
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Loqi haha
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aaronpk but yay my instagram tab in Together works now!
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grantcodes I'm going to actually use my instagram account now, just getting posse working!
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aaronpk oh wait I think that may have been the PWA updating
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aaronpk looks like after I refreshed, the tab that broke is now working
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aaronpk yay
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Loqi woot
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grantcodes Great. If you hit the settings cog you'll see the version number you are running
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aaronpk ah cool
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grantcodes If that matches the version in the github package.json you are all up to date
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aaronpk 0.8.2 now
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aaronpk ooh the little view buttons moved to the settings
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aaronpk schmarty: I see the same error now
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[cleverdevil] Man, the gallery view with swiping on mobile is perrrrrfect.
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Loqi [cleverdevil]: snarfed left you a message 1 hour, 16 minutes ago: re github permissions for https://drone.tpxl.io/ , try switching the repo oauth scope to public_repo
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[cleverdevil] Just need to get rid of those little dots.
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grantcodes Yeah, took up too much space :P
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aaronpk oh I haven't tried this on mobile yet!
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[cleverdevil] Did you try out the expand/collapse yet, [grantcodes]?
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[cleverdevil] I think its pretty slick.
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[cleverdevil] I want to add a toggle to the app bar for collapse/expand, but haven't quite figured out how to access the posts in the current channel from the app bar scope to tell them to toggle state.
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aaronpk schmarty: and yep watchtower was also hitting the timeout and sending a blank body to aperture
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aaronpk pushed a change to watchtower to fix it!
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schmarty aaronpk: makes sense!
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[cleverdevil] [grantcodes] any recommendations on how to access the expansion state of all Cards in the current view from the App Bar?
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schmarty grantcodes: is there a way to reset a channel's display mode? i put a channel in map mode and the page blanks w/ lots of console.logs about marker not being defined.
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grantcodes Hmm, think you'll need to create an action for toggle all, then update the app reducer and watch for it on the card to update the expansion state
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schmarty aaronpk++ thanks! updated! fingers crossed it can pick up tantek's posts now. :}
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grantcodes schmarty: hit the settings cog
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schmarty grantcodes: there is no settings cog to hit once the page blanks out
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grantcodes Ah but now you can't because it's dead 😅
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grantcodes It's stored in localstorage. If you delete that it'll reset
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schmarty haha, good idea. 👍
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Loqi nice
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schmarty i was able to delete the localstorage key for that channel's display mode. easy peasy.
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[cleverdevil] That sounds... complicated. But, I'll give it a try 😀 I've already got the toggle button showing, and making the icon toggle. Now I just need to make the action do something
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grantcodes Yeah, talking between components in react can be the difficult part
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aaronpk oh that would explain why I haven't seen any posts from tantek's site recently
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schmarty aaronpk: pulling in his posts, now! 🎉
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aaronpk hooray!
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schmarty that's the last feed i needed to import from woodwind
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schmarty (my personal instance of woodwind)
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk I hope this works for you!
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schmarty RIP woodwind :'(
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[cleverdevil] But, hey, more Aperture and Together users!
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[cleverdevil] Send us ALL the PRs.
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Zegnat Soon will have to watch out not collapsing into a Aperture and Together mono culture 😜
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aaronpk that's another reason i'm not opening up signups for Aperture any time soon
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aaronpk I want someone else to make a microsub server very soon
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schmarty i am excited about all the new reader toys!
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aaronpk but hey at least we already have two different frontends to aperture, which helps with the monoculture problem a little bit
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[cleverdevil] Yup. Indigenous is also great.
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[cleverdevil] I’m hopeful we can convince Brent Simmons to support Microsub in Evergreen.
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Zegnat I am not planning to write a microsub server any time soon. Would rather pay someone else to handle feed parsing and polling, haha
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Loqi awesome
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GWG Too many things to build, never enough time.
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aaronpk Zegnat: you may convince me to let you use my Watchtower which is responsible for feed fetching/parsing if you're willing to write a microsub server
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aaronpk sorry that's not quite right, watchtower only handles the polling, it delivers the full un-parsed page contents as a POST request to the subscriber
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Zegnat Which probably means I would put XRay on it as the most complete feedparser solution I know. And then I start with half of Aperture already in place...
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[cleverdevil] I have no problem with allowing building blocks to become de facto standards that enable more development to be done above that layer.
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[cleverdevil] But that’s just me 😀
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aaronpk I do want to avoid everyone using aperture as the only microsub server, because then it isnt really a standard, it's just an open source project with an api
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[kevinmarks] Maybe reviving woodwind with less db dependency?
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aaronpk adding a microsub api to woodwind would certainly be a good place to start
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aaronpk since it already has a lot of the hard part of polling and parsing
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[cleverdevil] That makes sense.
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Zegnat I should try together. I might just write a proxy from my current feed service api to Microsub API if together is nice enough
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Zegnat Although I guess I will be missing out on some of the nicer IndieWeb features then
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Loqi +1
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[eddie] One thing I’d like to do at some point is to talk to Brent about and look into the Swift parsing that Evergreen does and see about turning Evergreen’s tech into a Swift Microsub Server.
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aaronpk oh hey, all of a sudden there's a bunch more content in my #indieweb channel in aperture! I think that timeout bug may have been affecting my fetching of other feeds too
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[cleverdevil] Still struggling with the expand/collapse toggle.
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[cleverdevil] Created the action, but can't figure out how to subscribe to it down in the TogetherCard component.
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KartikPrabhu subscribe to a toggle ?
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[cleverdevil] Its a React/Redux thing.
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[cleverdevil] (I'm not yet a pro with React/Redux)
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[kevinmarks] You know how I do it? Built in html elements <details><summary>
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[kevinmarks] http://www.unmung.com/feed?feed=https%3A%2F%2Fcleverdevil.io%2Ffeed
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[kevinmarks] (I made the triangles big and ugly)
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KartikPrabhu :P
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[kevinmarks] This works better if you don't put links in the summary, tbh.
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[cleverdevil] 🙂
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[cleverdevil] React is quite the sledgehammer
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Zegnat Don’t think anyone here is using the API for it, but, anonymous Gist posting is going away: https://github.com/blog/2503-deprecation-notice-removing-anonymous-gist-creation
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aaronpk I always wondered how long that would last
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Zegnat Same. They must have been suffering from the same thing as PasteBin right? Password dumps, information leaks, anonymous “posts”...
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[kevinmarks] https://medium.com/message/hello-future-pastebin-readers-39d9b4eb935f
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Zegnat Good piece. I like the "we are, as a species, information predators." It also reminds me a bit of cweiske absently tracking aaronpk's open tabs info. No real reason for that data to be collected and archived, it just got anyway. Without any true thought.
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GWG Okay, I think my SSL certificates for my main sites will renew without me now.
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aaronpk 🎉
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GWG The personal certificates are the hard ones.
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GWG Like the one for my house. But I'll get that another day.
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KartikPrabhu anyone knwo how to indicate syndication links for a Twitter fav?
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KartikPrabhu what is like?
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KartikPrabhu what is like?
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KartikPrabhu LOqi!!
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[cleverdevil] Okay, React has beaten me on this feature today. Gonna move on to something else 😛
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[cleverdevil] Easy win time, for [aaron_pk] - https://cleverdevil.io/s/JO8VCo3FNI.png
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[cleverdevil] Blockquote love 🙂
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aaronpk ooh yay
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[cleverdevil] (Works in dark mode, too).
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@MrsAndiLutz http://ift.tt/2CuuvW3 That should hopefully work! Try writing a new post in Wordpress ... @aaronpk I added the webmentions plug in on my WP site. Just not exactly sure how to use it. Can you link an example? (twitter.com/_/status/965374459774369797)
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KartikPrabhu hmm so no response to https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-02-18#t1518992789703200 ?
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Loqi [KartikPrabhu] anyone knwo how to indicate syndication links for a Twitter fav?