#dev 2018-03-15

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[tantek] I’m wondering I anyone actually uses p-description too
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[tantek] Or if we should see about converging on “content”
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[tantek] *if anyone
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KartikPrabhu p-description sounds like p-summary to me
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[kevinmarks] what was description from?
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[kevinmarks] (apart from RSS, was it in ical?)
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[kevinmarks] http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar has summary and description separately https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2445#section-4.8.1.12 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2445#section-4.8.1.5
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Loqi hCalendar 1.0
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[kevinmarks] so it is more like content
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[kevinmarks] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5545 makes the distinction too
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[kevinmarks] "Property Name: DESCRIPTION
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[kevinmarks] Purpose: This property provides a more complete description of the
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[kevinmarks] calendar component than that provided by the "SUMMARY" property."
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[kevinmarks] how do I get the merge commits out? rebase?
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[tantek] Yes it was from iCal
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[eddie] !tell aaronpk: Aperture doesn’t seem to have updated any feeds since I updated it. Does it REQUIRE the image caching? I haven’t configured it yet, so I’m wondering if that has stopping it now
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] !tell aaronpk hmm, I take that back... my news channel did just get new posts. I’ll have to investigate what’s going on further tomorrow. Micro.blog feed hasn’t updated for awhile now
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-304) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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dgold is there a method to get brid.gy to resend all backfed wms?
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Zegnat Not sure if brid.gy can do it. But if you have kept a record of all the webmentions you have received from bridgy, you could resend them yourself
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jeremycherfas Yikes but VSCode is daunting when you first open the thing.
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Zegnat dgold, there is https://webmention.herokuapp.com/api/mentions?path=https://ascraeus.org/ is you want all mentions for your domain received by the endpoint. But as they are post-parsing, no way to see which came from brid.gy ...
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dgold Zegnat: I know - I have a json file with all my wm.heroku mentions
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Zegnat Ah, good! :)
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dgold I have a php script to send the mentions out _via_ telegraph
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dgold aaronpk mentioned last night that I can just `send` them directly to wm.io -- but I don't see how
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Zegnat Loop over your JSON file and send it as a webmention to the wm.io endpoint with `source` set to whatever is in the `url` property of the wm.heroku JSON and `target` set to what is in the `targets` property of the JSON.
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Zegnat Oh. `targets` is an array, so you might have to loop that one too...
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Zegnat But the problem I am seeing with that is that the JSON I got from the herokuapp doesn’t contain the brid.gy URL. I am not sure if wm.io is able to parse e.g. a Google Plus URL for any usable data :(
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Zegnat Unless your JSON is somehow different from the one I linked and you have the original brid.gy URLs?
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dgold Zegnat: that's the problem I'm having
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dgold the `source` doesn't provide the link-back in the case of e.g. g+ posts or replies to tweets
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dgold my original post and tweets provide the link-back; snarfed's mad scientist skills associate the replies, retweets and likes with the original post and thus back to my corner of the web
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Zegnat Hmm. You might be able to take the URLs from the app and reconstruct the original bridgy URLs per https://brid.gy/about#source-urls
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dgold :) I could
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dgold or I could hit 'resend' on all the bridgy posts!
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dgold decisions decisions
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Zegnat If there is a resend, that would work. I have no idea what Bridgy looks like, never used it ;)
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dgold ah - okay
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dgold bridgy has a little [resend] button on each `item` seen
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dgold I was wondering if there were a bulk resend button
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Zegnat Oh. But if Bridgy has a button, can’t you also get a list of all URLs?
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sknebel the history also doesn't have the constructed url, but that sounds like a good feature request for bridgy
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dgold i don't _think_ so...
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sknebel then you could just fetch the h-feed and reconstruct the webmentions from there
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jeremycherfas After an absolutely fruitless morning, I am backing out of VSCode and looking elsewhere. How anyone ever gets XDebug to work is completely beyond me.
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Zegnat admits to just using die()s and var_dump()s rather than XDebug
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jeremycherfas That is where I am now, and I was looking for an easier life. There isn't one, at my level, is my conclusion.
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schmarty catches up on logs
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schmarty I use e-description in my event posts, including my example on /events
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schmarty Most recent event: https://martymcgui.re/2018/03/13/110832/
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Baltimore
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schmarty iirc I started with e-content and changed it to e-description after some consumer wasn’t picking up e-content, leading me to read h-event spec more closely
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Zegnat This is an interesting idea: going through places you have linked to and if you are positive they have now come available on HTTPS rewrite the link. https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/03/09/facebook-says-let-me-get-that-for-you-secures-your-links/
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dgold jeremycherfas: what is it you were trying to do?
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jeremycherfas Make life easier at a more general level. Like being able to see the value of variables without having to pepper the script with echos and var_dumps
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snarfed dgold: bridgy doesn't have a way to resend *all* wms, but you can plug each post URL into the "Resend for post" box on your user page. fewer clicks than resending each individual response wm.
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: [eddie] left you a message 10 hours, 47 minutes ago: Aperture doesn’t seem to have updated any feeds since I updated it. Does it REQUIRE the image caching? I haven’t configured it yet, so I’m wondering if that has stopping it now
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Loqi aaronpk: [eddie] left you a message 9 hours, 38 minutes ago: hmm, I take that back... my news channel did just get new posts. I’ll have to investigate what’s going on further tomorrow. Micro.blog feed hasn’t updated for awhile now
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Loqi *yawn*
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dgold snarfed: yeah, I'm happy to avail of the service provided rather than script my own :)
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snarfed dgold: heh yes. all code is liability. :P there is https://brid.gy/about#api for scripting too though
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dgold and, again, so many thanks for brid.gy
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snarfed aww welcome!
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sknebel is amused by the contrast to recent tweets ;)
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[eddie] aaronpk: Hmm, I seem to be missing things in aperture: ERROR: Class ‘IMagick’ not found {“exception”:“[object] (Symfony\\Component\\Debug\\Exception\\FatalThrowableError(code: 0): Class ‘IMagick’
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[eddie] I did composer install and artisan migrate after I downloaded the new code
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aaronpk ah missing the imagemagick extension?
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aaronpk it's a php thing, not a package
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[eddie] ohhh
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aaronpk I just pushed a change where if you don't set MEDIA_URL it'll skip the whole image downloading thing, so you can just not define that if you don't want it to cache images
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aaronpk then you can avoid installing imagemagick too
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[eddie] ahhh gotcha. Okay, I’ll download that and try that. I definitely plan on using that eventually, but that’s another goal for another day 😄
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Zegnat snarfed, re that brid.gy API, I couldn’t figure out how one would extract all mentions send to one’s website from there. Is there such an option?
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aaronpk should be just `apt install php72-imagick` or whatever
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[eddie] ahh good to know!
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[eddie] I’m also running into Data too long for column ‘data’.
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[eddie] but data is a blob, I don’t know that there is anyway to increase that is there?
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dgold is imagemagick not a composer matter? or do you need it at the system level?
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sknebel its a php extension, not a PHP library
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sknebel so it can't be installed via composer etc
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aaronpk ooh which column?
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aaronpk I should add a migration to change that to longblob
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Loqi +1
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[eddie] data column in the entries table
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aaronpk oh shoot, I think I changed it to longblob myself, without adding a migration for it
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[eddie] Yay, micro.blog feed is working again!
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[eddie] (I think the issue was the imagick extension missing)
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aaronpk woo
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zoglesby I am very happy manton your followers a feed, so useful!
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zoglesby or that he made them a feed, if you like grammer without leaving words out
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[eddie] Yeah, definitely. It’s very useful
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[eddie] Indigenous minor bug fixes version was just pushed to Apple for approval
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[eddie] It fixes some bugs and supports the new Unread Indicator/Count stuff from Aperture
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aaronpk just got the testflight notification!
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zoglesby [eddie]: still just a beta, no public release yet correct?
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[eddie] Hmm, that seems fast…
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[eddie] correct, still beta
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[eddie] Still a hand full of things to add before we get to public release
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aaronpk hm weird, there isn't an update in testflight
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aaronpk but I definitely just got a push notification
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zoglesby (i sent a request for access, but not trying to be pushy)
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zoglesby also its crazy how many MD folks are around (I am in Columbia, MD)
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[eddie] Oh, must has slipped by. My email has been a nexus of waste lately. I’ll go grab the new list of subscribers and add it to TestFlight
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[eddie] Oh wow! That’s awesome!
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[eddie] Yeah Apple has this weird bug where when a new build is uploaded it sends a TestFlight notification
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[eddie] even though it hasn’t been approved
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[eddie] 😆
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[eddie] zoglesby were you at the Baltimore IndieWebCamp?
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zoglesby nope, I have been super busy this year, did not even know about it until after it happened, then I was sad.
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zoglesby and the change for HBWC to Tuesdays is going to make it hard for me to make it to that as well.
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[eddie] Ohhh okay. I was just wondering if I had seen you there but just hadn’t made the link to the username 🙂
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[eddie] zoglesby: Just imported the latest beta signups, so you should recieve an email shortly to join Apple’s TestFlight beta for Indigenous.
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zoglesby just got it, thanks!
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[eddie] 👏
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tantek what is PHPStorm
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PHPStorm" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "PHPStorm is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is VSCode
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "VSCode" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "VSCode is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is Coda
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Coda" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Coda is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is HSTS
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Loqi HSTS is an acronym for HTTP Strict Transport Security, an HTTP header that indicates to browsers how long the website should only be accessible over HTTPS for https://indieweb.org/HSTS
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tantek HSTS << 2018-03-09 [https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/03/09/facebook-says-let-me-get-that-for-you-secures-your-links/ Facebook says “let me get that for you”, secures your links] (auto-upgrades shared links from http: to https: using an HSTS preload list)
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-03-09 [https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/03/09/facebook-says-let-me-get-that-for-you-secures-your-links/ Facebook says “let me get that for you”, secures your links] (auto-upgrades shared links from http: to https: using an HSTS preload list)" to the "See Also" section of /HSTS
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+264) "/* New Locations */ Oxford" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+22) "/* New Locations */ separators" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk I tracked down the last time we had the h-event content vs description discussion, and I was right, Zegnat brought it up in the context of moving h-event from draft to spec: https://github.com/microformats/h-event/issues/2#issuecomment-308650834
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Loqi [Zegnat] Does it become significantly harder to change properties after “flipping the switch”? If so (I am not fledged in the Microformats processes) we might need to do some changes to h-event first. The current draft specification does not adress usi...
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aaronpk hmm
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tantek tl;dr at least three examples of using content (and not description) in h-event
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tantek remaining questions, does *anyone* publish "description" with h-event (mf2, not backcompat mf1)
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tantek and does anything *consume* description and do anything with it from an mf2 h-event (again, actual, not due to mf1 backcompat)
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aaronpk apparently I am publishing content and not description, didn't even realize that
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tantek so that's four also
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tantek we may be able to drop "description" from h-event if there is zero usage
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aaronpk the newsletter generator consumes description, but only because indieweb.org/event publishes description
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aaronpk I mean indieweb.org/events
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tantek due to the template?
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek does the newsletter generator also look for "content"?
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tantek or only "description"
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sknebel schmarty said earlier he's using description
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aaronpk oh wait haha it only looks for summary, not description or content
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Loqi haha
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tantek so we could change the /events template and not worry about description
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aaronpk yep
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tantek ok this is enough moving pieces that it's worth tracking in an issue
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tantek oops something went wrong with my Bridgy POSSEing to GitHub
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tantek https://github.com/microformats/h-event/issues/3
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Loqi [tantek] #3 Replace h-event 'description' with 'content' property
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aaronpk I don't see an e-content property on your permalink
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tantek yeah
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tantek uh oh I know what happened
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aaronpk oh now it's there
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tantek yeah
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tantek found it, my code bug
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tantek fixed
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tantek manually updated the posse copy
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dgold is there a schmarty in the house?
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tantek and updated /events manual entries and one-day-event template to use p-content description
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tantek so that just leaves schmarty as a publisher and no consumers of h-event p-description AFAIK
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tantek context: https://github.com/microformats/h-event/issues/3
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Loqi [tantek] #3 Replace h-event 'description' with 'content' property
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Zegnat Is anyone putting reply contexts on RSVPs? That would be one of the only consuming usecases I can think of that might exist
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tantek maybe bear can check his index of homepages for "p-description" in class names
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Zegnat might also be e-description, if people were using it like content.
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tantek sure
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tantek I doubt a reply context would bother with more than summary
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schmarty Beep boop hello
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schmarty I use e-description to use it like content
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Zegnat e-description in the wild, found because I documented it on the wiki: https://licit.li/596a1ac68a9b8
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Zegnat (Yeey for documenting what your own site does with example links! :D https://indieweb.org/event#Martijn_van_der_Ven )
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Zegnat What is opentechcalendar?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "opentechcalendar" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "opentechcalendar is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk ah, calagator uses e-description
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bear running p-description now
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dgold hey marty!
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dgold trying to wrangle morris into being on my site
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dgold can I ask stupid questions?
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schmarty I am eating lunch so at split attention
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dgold the method you're using for the passthrough, nice and simple. but if I need to send an array as the content?
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dgold i need "channel=#somechannel&content=data" as the end result
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schmarty Ooh, what kind of array? I chose to just pass through the entire content body received from wm.io
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schmarty Might be possible to include the channel info in your URL
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dgold :) i tried that and it broke things
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sknebel 2017.indieweb.org etc also use description
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dgold I'll keep noodling around the phpdocs
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schmarty Haha oops, interesting. Does the request make it out to your endpoint?
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Loqi awesome
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dgold aha - http_build_query appears to be my new homeboy
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Zegnat What is Morris?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Morris" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Morris is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek so are existing uses templated and fixable? or all at indieweb.org?
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tantek e.g. calagator I'm guessing is a one line code change
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tantek unless it's consuming p-description?
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tantek and all the yyyy.indieweb . org pages are in github and we can patch as needed
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tantek point still stands, if no one is consuming p-description, then it wasn't doing anything on anyone's published pages anyway
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schmarty I consume e-description for my RSVP reply contexts
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schmarty But could just as easily use content
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aaronpk https://github.com/calagator/calagator/blob/master/app/views/calagator/events/_item.html.erb#L78
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sknebel wordpress afaik shows context for RSVPs, guess GWG can answer where it gets the value from
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schmarty Err. Do I, actually? I don’t. I just use name.
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bear 51 sites over time used e-description, of those only 1 used it in 2018
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bear 4 sites over time used p-description and none in 2018
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Zegnat I just checked sebsel’s site – the only other one I can recall showing info on RSVPs – and he too only seems to use the name
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bear p-description: {'tantek.com': '20141011', 'seblog.nl': '20170831', 'waterpigs.co.uk': '20160525', 'adactio.com': '20171116'}
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dgold schmarty - is morris passing the $data to passthrough as an array or as a string?
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dgold its a string. graaak!
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zach.oglesby.co created /User:Zach.oglesby.co (+466) "Created page with "__NOTOC__ <span class="h-card">[https://zach.oglesby.co/ <img src="https://zach.oglesby.co/file/1b3a65e3bf159b0c91170d9d0f6a2b78" style="width:137px;float:right;margin-left:1e..."" (view diff)
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GWG Post Kinds in WordPress consumes name and summary to generate context for RSVPs. It should do date, but...
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tantek aaronpk did you make a pull request on calagator?
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aaronpk no, should I?
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tantek I'm going to note in the spec right now that this is in progress
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tantek so you have something to link to
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aaronpk k
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tantek so far no one uses *-desc
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tantek one dead example (archive.org only)
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tantek.com edited /next-hwc (+0) "next" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /next-hwc (+3) "hwc" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+0) "next hwc" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] we have some in the tests, but I can fix that
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[kevinmarks] oddly, mostly in the change logs in h-feeds
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[kevinmarks] also in h-product
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tantek hmm looks like gRegorLove uses e-description e.g. https://gregorlove.com/2017/06/homebrew-website-club/
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club
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tantek and that's it. I've checked all http://microformats.org/wiki/h-event#Examples_in_the_wild
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] h-event is a simple, open format for events on the web. h-event is often used with both event listings and individual event pages. h-event is one of several open microformat draft standards suitable for embedding data in HTML. h-event is the microfo...
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tantek !tell gRegorLove do you have anything that consumes e-description? Or are you only publishing it e.g. https://gregorlove.com/2017/06/homebrew-website-club/ - and if so, WDYT of using c-content instead? https://github.com/microformats/h-event/issues/3
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club
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tantek that was a deeper dive (via h-event examples in the wild) of fixing up / adding to various wiki pages (across 5 wikis I think, w3c, csswg, mozilla, IWC, mf) than I expected
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tantek only one (ours) needed p-description -> p-content updating. all the others just needed content updating
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gRegorLove tantek: mf2ical consumes description: https://github.com/gRegorLove/mf2-to-iCalendar/blob/master/src/GregorMorrill/Mf2toiCal/Mf2toiCal.php#L111
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 47 minutes ago: do you have anything that consumes e-description? Or are you only publishing it e.g. https://gregorlove.com/2017/06/homebrew-website-club/ - and if so, WDYT of using c-content instead? https://github.com/microformats/h-event/issues/3
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gRegorLove Used for the .ics on https://gregorlove.com/calendar/
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