#dev 2018-03-25

2018-03-25 UTC
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[cleverdevil] Nicely done [snarfed]! Maybe I can use it in Puny.
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[cleverdevil] I’m traveling a ton these next few weeks so I’m not sure how much progress I’ll be able to make :/
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@kaushalmodi @_am1t No problem. I believe I might not need the JS after all if you are using the JS step to only parse the http://webmention.io returned object. Looks like Hugo getJSON does the trick: https://gitlab.com/kaushalmodi/hugo-theme-refined/blob/master/layouts/partials/webmention_rcv.html. As I don't yet have reply-to mentions, I cannot parse those. (twitter.com/_/status/977900873060900866)
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@HongPong i have dabbled in #indieweb tech incl some work on http://drupal.org/project/linkback which does #webmention protocol so I've been following this a while. (twitter.com/_/status/977920178666209280)
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aaronpk swentel: may I make a request that you don't include "#13" as the p-name of your notes?
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swentel oh
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swentel sure
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swentel why exactly ?
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swentel oh hmm, it's a note, so no use for a name right
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aaronpk right
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aaronpk my site is showing my "like" as if your post were a blog post because of that
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aaronpk and a reader may not show the content since it thinks it's a blog post
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swentel makes sense, will update now
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aaronpk 👍
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swentel ok it's gone, currently hardcode in the module
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swentel added p-name support yesterday in the drupal module
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swentel funny how adding new features triggers new issues heh :)
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swentel but I'm slowly getting to state where I probably can release another beta, it's working nicely on my site
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aaronpk nice
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swentel s/beta/alpha
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aaronpk better :) https://aaronparecki.com/2018/03/25/3/
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swentel but first holiday for a week, BUT I can read all your posts now on my phone :)
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aaronpk \o/
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swentel ok cool, let me add that in the android client already too
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swentel now it's a simple if (hascontent) print content else { figure out what todo here} heh
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Zegnat Not often I get to be the first to answer an over-a-year old StackOverflow question. https://stackoverflow.com/a/49477705/3225372
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sknebel :)
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[eddie] Hey GWG did you ever release the IndieAuth server Wordpress plug-in?
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GWG Release?
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GWG As in WordPress.org repo?
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GWG I only finished the token endpoint
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GWG I still need the authorization endpoint
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[eddie] Ohhh okay, I didn’t realize that
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[eddie] Hmmm yeah probably. I just saw this post: https://blog.vanessahamshere.uk/2018/03/25/90/
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Loqi [Vanessa] It did strike me as mildly amusing that the main way to use OAuth for the Indieweb is via a Twitter account. Luckily I do have a (pretty much unused) GitHub account, created in a very optimistic moment, so was able to use that.
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GWG So, released on GitHub, but not yet elsewhere
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[eddie] She uses Wordpress so I was making sure I knew the status before I said anything. So I guess it’s “in developments
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[eddie] Thanks 🙂
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GWG Yes
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GWG I need another IWC with aaronpk
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aaronpk yes I want that to be finished so much
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aaronpk that and micro.blog
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GWG My current schedule is weather and location stuff, followed by podcast enhancements
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aaronpk micro.blog needs its own built-in auth server soooo bad
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GWG But I am willing to rearrange my priorities
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tbbrown i'm experimenting with indieauth login with goodreads :)
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GWG Next week is Passover, and I will be sitting in a house avoiding matzah, might clear a few things
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[eddie] Yeah, micro.blog and Wordpress powered indieauths would take a lot of 3rd party login use (twitter, GitHub) away
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GWG aaronpk, even without a IWC I might ask for help again
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aaronpk i'd be happy to do a virtual hack session, we could even do it on hangouts so other people could listen in
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GWG I realized after last time I made a mistake
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GWG I have to generate two types of tokens
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GWG I need to move the token generation code out of the endpoint so I can use it to generate the authorization code as well
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Zegnat I am also happy to join in, if your times overlap with EU times. We might be able to borrow some code from selfauth.
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GWG Let me finish up the current project and I will refactor the Indieauth plugin and start work
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@kaushalmodi @_am1t @ChrisAldrich @_dgoldsmith Thanks for your collective help! I am making some progress in indiewebifying my blog :D https://scripter.co/git-diff-minified-js-and-css/#webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/977962199707717632)
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@kaushalmodi Now the next step is automating my site builds at the right times.. may be http://webmention.io can ping "somewhere" that triggers my Netlify build? (twitter.com/_/status/977962428972634112)
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aaronpk kaushalmod: there is a web hook feature in webmention.io! https://webmention.io/settings
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aaronpk once you receive a webmention there will be a setting for it
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aaronpk snarfed: you might be interested to know that the paging issue I was describing friday turns out was a stupid bug, and now I think it's working great
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cweiske aaronpk, did you deploy the #bottom change to chat.indieweb.org yet?
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loqi.me edited /POSSE (+87) "tantek added "2018-03-24 Hacker News comment thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16663850" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /POSSE (+88) "tantek added "HN ibid: "Why won't a link on these platforms suffice since they have their "cards"?"" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /POSSE (+246) "tantek added "HN ibid: "This is an interesting thing, but too complicated and over-broad for the mere-mortal." <-- page introduction needs simplifying, simpler instructions to setup POSSE, acknowledge where POSSE usability is in the [[Generations]] spe..." (view diff)
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[eddie] I had Jekyll down to like 5 min rebuild but importing past Facebook posts it’s back to 15 minutes so I think I’m definitely on the verge of needing to just build a dynamic interface in my Node.js server rather than using Jekyll to build it. A user already hits my Node.js server before getting the static files so it wouldn’t be a huge change
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[eddie] By having a user get the static files through Node.js I bet it’s already missing some of the benefits of being a static site
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gregorlove.com edited /Facebook (+939) "/* Criticism */ Scraped call and SMS logs from Android phones" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /POSSE (+236) "tantek added "HN ibid: "Facebook is just a glorified RSS feed with centralized discover ability." <-- debunk with comparing [[Facebook#Features]] (and [[Twitter#Features]]) vs RSS plumbing feature set. A visual diagram/table comparison might help." to..." (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /POSSE (+234) "tantek added "HN ibid: "This really is not possible with RSS at all, especially since the silos don’t want to support RSS in any meaningful way." <-- perhaps add a whole subsection in "Why" explaining why RSS is insufficient compared to POSSE." to "S..." (view diff)
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tantek [eddie] I vaguely remember the same problem (long rebuild times) hitting longtime Movable Type users
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tantek some of whom found that switching to WordPress was thus "faster" at publishing
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tantek seems like you'd want some sort of a "rebuild window" where you only rebuild the last n posts or n months of posts
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[eddie] Yeah, that would definitely help. I think one of my biggest issues is, Index pages
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tantek or someway of keeping track of "needs rebuild" lists of posts (like dirty bits) that then trigger those posts and their aggregations to be rebuilt
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[eddie] I can’t pre-filter posts on index pages so it has to sort through ALL the posts
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tantek ouch
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[eddie] So like “on this day” has to go through every post and check if the post day and month is equal to today’s day and month
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[eddie] Yeah
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[eddie] In essence I’m doing things that just aren’t meant to be done on a static platform
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sknebel Hm, one of the blogposts about POSSE had really nice graphics
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sknebel we should link that and/or ask for permission to use them
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Loqi definitely
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[kevinmarks] Have you profiled Hugo? It has an importer for jekyll, and has been very speedy on big sites for me
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tantek sknebel: I'm long overdue on producing a nice graphic version of the original POSSE diagram I drew (before it was even called POSSE) https://indieweb.org/POSSE#Background
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sknebel hm, I can find https://dri.es/to-pesos-or-to-posse right now, not quite what I remembered
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tantek yeah it's not quite the same
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tantek I should draw up separate POSSE and backfeed diagrams because that diagram shows both
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tantek (or I should have video'd myself drawing it and explaining it in real time to the NYT journalist at the time)
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Loqi +1
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tantek hmm, maybe I should video everytime I go to a whiteboard and start drawing something?
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GWG Time for the Tantek Academy?
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tantek or perhaps I should only draw things on whiteboards at IWC/IWS sessions that are being recorded :)
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[eddie] kevinmarks: I haven’t profiled Hugo, but I’ve heard good things. I tried the Jekyll importer I think the issue I ran into and haven’t further investigated was all my posts are actually a Jekyll “collection” and Hugo wanted to import my “posts” not my “collection”. That said, I could probably do some more investigation into that
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+532) "/* Needs Dates and incorporation above */ Microsub" (view diff)
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AngeloGladding would it be presumptious to cache a resource's webmention endpoint?
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tantek pretty sure the Webmention spec covers that
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AngeloGladding "The sender MUST fetch the target URL (and follow redirects [FETCH]) and check for an HTTP Link header [RFC5988] with a rel value of webmention."
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tantek then yes
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AngeloGladding i suppose there's two scenarios:
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AngeloGladding caching the authors' webmention endpoint -- which seems wrong
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AngeloGladding and caching a particular posts' webmention endpoint to halve the number of requests made to posts during a salmention
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AngeloGladding i'm trying to solve the latter
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AngeloGladding i guess it could change..
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snarfed AngeloGladding: fwiw bridgy deliberately disobeys that part of the spec and caches discovered wm endpoints per domain for 2h, due to its scale
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snarfed (and the wm spec editors are aware :P)
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AngeloGladding right on
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tantek AngeloGladding: or there's an opportunity to document how publishers can properly return HTTP caching headers on their post permalinks to help with this
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tantek ooh are we coming up on the 1 year anniversary of Microsub being proposed? https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Microsub&action=history
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tantek first draft of the spec was 2017-04-09: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Microsub-spec&oldid=35630
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tantek but that look thorough enough that there must have been discussion before
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