#dev 2018-04-06

2018-04-06 UTC
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kaushalmodi Draft of a diagram for h-entry that I plan to have in my next blog post: https://gitlab.com/kaushalmodi/kaushalmodi.gitlab.io/raw/cf4bae512a27f183ef926984b3b2e7138622442b/content-org/images/microformats2/h-entry.png
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kaushalmodi I am trying to represent h-entry as a class and p-name, etc. as class objects in that class using UML diagram
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kaushalmodi Looking forward to feedback/comments/corrections
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kaushalmodi The blog post is about Microformats2 embedding in Hugo templates.. will include similar info about h-feed and h-card too.
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GWG Not sure why I am up coding. Should go to bed.
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GWG I just discovered aaronpk changed the teacup syntax to h-food
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Zegnat Makes sense
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Zegnat If you are describing food, why not use h-food?
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[kevinmarks] Kaushalmodi: modelling as classes seems like overkill - they're fields really. Showing the parsed json is usually clearer than more abstract diagrams. If the audience is Hugo devs, then showing the toml -> HTML -> mf2 json may make sense.
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[kevinmarks] An attractive thing for Hugo peeps may be the kind of existing page to mf2 to Hugo Post pathway that several of us have been doing
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Zegnat I keep forgetting I have strict CSP set up, so just uploading an HTML file with some JS and CSS embedded to my server doesn’t work.
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microblog.ducamp.me created /Hugo-fr (+3025) "first draft translation of [[Hugo]]" (view diff)
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microblog.ducamp.me edited /Hugo-fr (+220) "/* Exemples IndieWeb */ add myself - ({{xtof}} coming from [[Jekyll]] - link to date settings in fr)" (view diff)
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kaushalmodi kevinmarks: Thanks for you remarks. I agree that the class representation is an overkill. I'd still like to somehow represent the organization in a diagram. I'll keep exploring on the best way to do that. The blog post will also go into detail on how to add mf2 to existing Hugo themes.
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skippy kaushalmodi: i'd love to pick your brain some more about Hugo and my collection of 10k tweets. maybe take such a conversation to ##hugo ?
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kaushalmodi skippy: The Hugo forum is the best place for that I believe.
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Zegnat Re: IndieWeb diagramming - http://derhess.de/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/webmention_ping.png
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GWG snarfed: Sorry about the multiple PRs. I got excited
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snarfed GWG: don't apologize, it's great! thank you!
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GWG snarfed: More syndication ideas coming
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GWG I want to improve that a lot
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chrisaldrich GWG++ for PRs and excitement
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aaronpk can't wait for these to get released!
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vanderven.se martijn edited /posts () "(-1858) Limit talk of “kinds”, stick to “types”. Offload Inferring Post Type to [post-type-discovery]. h/t gerwitz" (view diff)
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@adactio ↩️ @jasonsantamaria Better yet …webmentions! https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/982333794874146816)
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aaronpk [cleverdevil]: grantcodes: here's what RTs look like in monocle right now. i'm on the fence about this display though https://i.imgur.com/ySXSd3s.jpg
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aaronpk actually i think this is mostly aperture's fault for not going out and fetching the original of any post
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aaronpk also microsub and the clients need support for that additional data of who reposted something so that the original post can be shown with its original author
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aaronpk so there's still a few things to work out there
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[cleverdevil] Yes. That makes sense.
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skippy AWS lambda and Google Cloud Functions and whatever Azure calls theirs are all infrastructure silos.
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skippy they're all super cool, and unlock great new functionality, but aren't super portable from provider to provider.
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snarfed eh BS. they're just higher level.
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snarfed you could claim a VPS is a server silo
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snarfed or a server in a colo is a datacenter silo...or even your own colo is a network silo
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snarfed we support people hosting at all levels up and down the stack here! domain and data portability are the key starting points, not "own all the things"
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[cleverdevil] Yup. That.
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[cleverdevil] Plus there are frameworks that abstract it away.
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skippy sure, in some capacity you're relying on someone esle. but if you develop a toolchain using AWS Lamba, Amazon can change the API and deprecate whatever they want, whenever they want. Then instead of complainign about Twitter dropping 3rd party apps, we'll all complain about AWS mucking up our workflows.
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[cleverdevil] Serverless is the new managed hosting!
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[cleverdevil] AWS is a very different animal from Twitter 😉
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[cleverdevil] For one thing, I pay them to use their service.
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aaronpk that vendor lock-in is one reason I have been wary of buying too much into the serverless stuff right now for myself
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bear the fun is in getting a workflow going that can behave the same on a local server, a VPS or in one of these yell-at-the-cloud serverless deploys
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aaronpk AWS/Google Cloud are *very* different from renting a VPS
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KartikPrabhu Serverless isn't exactly "serverless"
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snarfed skippy does have a point, there is some vendor lock in, but honestly less than many people think. eg app engine has a ton of lock in, but lambda and cloud functions (and that direction in general) less, since the interface is so small and clear
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[cleverdevil] That serverless framework is pretty good. The one I use in the blog post.
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bear it's all vendor lock-in turtles if you stare long enough at it
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aaronpk if you use AWS properly, you're tying together their proprietary products. you end up with a great result, and it be far more effective than running on a VPS, but that's not exactly portable elsewhere
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[cleverdevil] That’s true.
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aaronpk eh with stuff running on a VPS i can pick it up and run it on anyone else's VPS without any code changes
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[cleverdevil] But that really does depend on the needs.
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KartikPrabhu right ^^ what aaronpk said
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bear yea, I was being snarky - the lockin above the operating system / language level is indeed more painful than below
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snarfed programming languages are perhaps the ultimate in lock in, but we all still choose one and accept it :P
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[cleverdevil] 😉
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snarfed (CASSIS notwithstanding :P)
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: not with microformats ;)
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[cleverdevil] It’s definitely more locked in than a VPS.
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aaronpk programming languages are also mostly not vendor-based lockin
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[cleverdevil] But it’s less than you think.
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: data isn't code
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bear the beauty of microformats and indieweb is that even languages are not a lockin - it's all data and data munging
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aaronpk but yes i'm at the whim of what the PHP group decides for the language for the most part
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snarfed aaronpk: eh, vendors are vendors. non profit vs commercial, BDFL etc, they're still a third party whose decisions you have to live with
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snarfed right
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Zegnat Well, you could write your code to work in both PHP and HHVM, I guess, aaronpk
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bear loves friday bikesheds
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[cleverdevil] 🙃
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[cleverdevil] I’m awaiting a flight at SFO so I’ve got time to kill!!
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aaronpk this got way in the weeds
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[miklb] imagines discussions around different methods of smoke signals
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aaronpk my point is there is a very practical difference between the "lock-in" on a VPS vs AWS environment
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[cleverdevil] I agree with you for sure.
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[cleverdevil] Over time I think that is likely to shift.
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aaronpk every now and then i am tempted to go all-in on AWS though
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snarfed yup, to both
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[cleverdevil] And applications can be built that both take advantage of public cloud and that are portable across clouds.
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bear yea, I think [cleverdevil] and myself were just looking for something fun and threw in some logic bombs to the discussion
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snarfed lol
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aaronpk 💣
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[miklb] the s3 SDK has been adopted by Google & Digital Ocean. I wonder if similar things will happen with serverless
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aaronpk yeah that's a good example
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snarfed always tradeoffs. lock in can be balanced by added value. if it's valuable enough, it's worh it anyway, even including the potential future cost of migrating
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bear as long as the data flow of indieweb is implementation agnostic, then we can have multiple implementations that both prevent lock-in and also keep the ecosystem vibrant
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aaronpk yeah for sure snarfed
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aaronpk that's why i've been tempted :)
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[miklb] bear++
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[cleverdevil] It’s certainly fun to play with too 😀
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[cleverdevil] AWS is pretty darn cool.
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aaronpk of course then i go to aws.amazon.com to read stuff and there's this https://i.imgur.com/wZu0UeD.png
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aaronpk 😱
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[cleverdevil] My primary reason for struggling with fully embracing it for personal projects is that the pricing is really difficult to estimate.
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bear even with it being my dayjob - it's very fun to play with... until the network storms happen :/
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[cleverdevil] Same.
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skippy yes, per-second pricing is hard to estimate.
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[cleverdevil] It’s intimidating.
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[cleverdevil] But the free tier is generous.
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[cleverdevil] Which makes it more straightforward to get started and experiment.
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[snarfed] freetier++
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[snarfed] google's too. permanent!
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[miklb] speaking of free tiers, somehow I wound up with 512GB of free memory for allocation in IBM Cloud/Bluemix.
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skippy thats a lot of gigs.
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sknebel I had Bluemix weirdness too. one of the reasons I stopped using it
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[miklb] right? it started with 256MB and after adding a CC#, I got 512 GB. I suspect a bug
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bear you can't get me to even look at Bluemix - their UI is horrible and the integration of their services on the backend has been a dumpster fire for months
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aaronpk hey amazon started doing ssl.indieweb.org :) https://aws.amazon.com/certificate-manager/private-certificate-authority/
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sknebel If you can't even tell me what resources I have and how that fits in what I am supposed to have I'm not going to trust them with the ability to bill me
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[cleverdevil] Yup. They announced that at the summit I was at a few days ago.
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[cleverdevil] Secrets Manager also looks extra cool.
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[miklb] bear yes, the backend UI is horrible. I was playing with it for a hackathon for a non-profit. We were using Watson Assist, so I used their node sdk to run the bot.
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[cleverdevil] One thing I was tinkering with before was using S3 to store all of my microformats JSON data and then using S3 Select or Athena to query it for my website.
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[cleverdevil] But... it’s a bit complex and overkill I think 😀
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[cleverdevil] Maybe.
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+308) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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[cleverdevil] Other option is DynamoDB.
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[cleverdevil] Which can act as a JSON document store.
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bear I wanted to toy with postgres - the latest version allows for queries against data in json
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aaronpk Oh yeah so does MySQL now!
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bear then you could store mf2 parsed output direct
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aaronpk I've gotta upgrade
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bear thinking about lambda would make me break up the post-dynamic event steps into small functional units
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[cleverdevil] Yup. I think DynamoDB would be better for this honestly.
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[cleverdevil] But it could definitely be done in PostgreSQL or MySQL on RDS.
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bear I was thinking only about postgresql to use as a search tool - would still have everything in flat files
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[cleverdevil] Yah.
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[cleverdevil] Store the MF2 JSON in S3.
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[cleverdevil] Search it with a database.
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[cleverdevil] Actually. Maybe transform the MF2 to JF2 to ease query/search.
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[cleverdevil] Oh, also, DynamoDB’s free tier is likely more than adequate for a personal website and is free forever.
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[cleverdevil] “DynamoDB’s free tier does not expire at the end of your 12 month AWS Free Tier term and is available to all AWS customers.”
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sknebel petermolnar has https://github.com/petermolnar/nasg/ which is static-y but has search with a (sqlite) database (also python)
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@miklb ↩️ case in point https://miklb.com/blog/2018/04/06/3708/ That is WordPress posting a reply to Twitter using Webmentions and http://brid.gy. This will show up as a comment under that post. No competition in mind. (twitter.com/_/status/982365512242954240)
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[miklb] ^ me demoing WP -> brid.gy -> Twitter reply to Matt Mullenweg
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skippy you still like WP, overall, as a solution [miklb] ?
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[miklb] well, let’s just say I started working on the Habari Coding Standards library last night to work with phpcs 3.x
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[miklb] I’ve invested a lot of time into WP, both personally and professionally. I don’t see it going away, but I’m not sure I want to invest anymore personal time there. I kinda regret switching from Jekyll to be honest.
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skippy i hear you.
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kaushalmodi miklb: I think what skippy is getting at is you need to try Hugo :P
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GWG I am staying with WordPress, but not necessarily going to embrace Gutenberg
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[miklb] heh. If I go back to static, it will be using Elventy
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skippy I have too intense a distaste for npm to consider Eleventy. :)
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skippy Hugo is interesting, but hard to grok in its own way. I want to do things that arent obviously easy. And adding all my tweets into my content has tanked rendering times; so I'm now reconsidering that decision.
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[miklb] understood. But honestly, with how I have learned to tune my WP site using redis/static_cache and other performance tweaking (offloading images to s3, google pagespeed) I’m pretty pleased with it being dynamic site.
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[miklb] is there not an incremental build option?
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skippy there's certainly value in using the most common platform, so you re-invent less wheels.
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skippy no, hugo does not have incremental build.
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[miklb] nods
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[miklb] well, my Jekyll site was taking >15 minutes to build on Travis before deploying to my server so…
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skippy so now i'm wondering if I even *want* to inline my tweets with my posts on my site.
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skippy Hugo builds my site on 15K pages in 20 seconds on my server, so it's not horrible. Just, you know, slower than instantaneous. :)
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[miklb] but I believe that was the then janky way of checking/sending webmentions. Aaron rewrote the webmention plugin so I think it would be much better now.
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kaushalmodi skippy: About the 20 seconds build time, you can wrap that in a conditional so that the tweet pages build only on server, and not on your local machine where you are writing new content
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kaushalmodi So you still get 20 sec builds on server where you build tweet pages, but only sub-second build times locally
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[miklb] my issue with build times was in using micropub to publish. I’d write a note in Quill, and have to wait for it to build/deploy before showing up on twitter.
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[miklb] not the end of the world by any means.
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kaushalmodi .. continuing what I said about conditionals, you can check for an env var like shown here https://discourse.gohugo.io/t/disable-portions-of-content-while-developing/10860/5?u=kaushalmodi , or use the new .IsServer method added in Hugo 0.38.
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@bobdesa64 Top story: Webmention - IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/Webmention, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/helikopterdsgn/must-follow-web-designers-2?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/982372812244635649)
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@EJCSoftwareS Top story: Webmention - IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/Webmention, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/helikopterdsgn/must-follow-web-designers-2?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/982372813972656129)
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@web_advice Top story: Webmention - IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/Webmention, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/helikopterdsgn/must-follow-web-designers-2?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/982372816074039296)
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skippy kaushalmodi: sure; but i'd like to get to micropub, so i can post from mobile.
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kaushalmodi skippy: I am completely ignorant on that topic; looking forward to what you and @dgold come up with.
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skippy still waiting for dgold's blog post about his worflow...
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kaushalmodi I adapted my site to Webmentions for the sole reason to get a better "commenting system", get rid of Disqus.
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kaushalmodi I have actually exceeded that goal, as I have Hugo parse markdown in Webmentions from commentpara.de.
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kaushalmodi So when I hear about micropub, I'm not even sure if I need that, so once I understand that, I might be going down another rabbit hole :P
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tantek just stubbed https://indieweb.org/standards so we have a simple alphabetical list for folks that like to see such things
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tantek please double-check it as I'm sure I'm forgetting things we use
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aaronpk is that a dupe of https://indieweb.org/specifications?
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tantek gah
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tantek ty
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KartikPrabhu what is h-feed?
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Loqi h-feed is a microformats2 draft specification with a top level feed object to contain h-entry posts and optionally a common author https://indieweb.org/h-feed
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KartikPrabhu tantek: ^
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tantek aaronpk new review request ^^^
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aaronpk ooh that looks nicer than it did before
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aaronpk not sure why, but maybe because of the leading sentence "These standards are interoperably implemented by the overwhelming majority of..." I was assuming that list was ordered by how widely implemented the specs are
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aaronpk wasn't until i saw webmention below micropub that i realized it was alphabetical
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aaronpk hm, i'm not sure I would actually say XFN is widely implemented. it's really just the rel=me one that is
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jalcine is there a caniuse.com equivalent for these specs?
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jalcine debates crafting if not on wiki already
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KartikPrabhu jalcine: can iuse in what sense?
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aaronpk haha what would that do?
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jalcine like if there's proposed ideas - to what extent have been fleshed out and some reference docs (probably back to the wiki and companion posts) about it
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KartikPrabhu I think those are just the wiki pages
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jalcine tbh that was what I was thinking too
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jalcine but shot in the dark
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aaronpk caniuse makes sense because there are only like 8 browsers
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aaronpk there are too many different indieweb sites for that to really make sense that way
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jalcine ha true
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tantek no it would make sense
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tantek for implementations
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tantek != sites
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tantek and to keep track of in which version support was added
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aaronpk i guess there's kinda a start to that on a few pages
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jalcine oh that's what I was alluding to
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KartikPrabhu eh! how would that be done for h-entry?
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jalcine tbh it could just scrape the Wiki
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tantek jalcine - great idea
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aaronpk features within micropub https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Clients#Implementation_status
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jalcine to prevent dupe efforts
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aaronpk it's hard to keep these up to date tho
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tantek aaronpk: how does caniuse stay up to date?
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aaronpk server support: https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Servers#Implementation_status
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aaronpk no idea
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tantek "only like 8 browsers"
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jalcine it's user submitted + some bits of automation from scraping IIRC
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tantek well: WordPress, Known, Hugo, Jekyll, ???
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tantek even if "caniuse" for indieweb standards only listed the "top" 8 indieweb projects / software, that would still be incredibly useful
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aaronpk i guess the threshold for including a project in the list would be whether it's something other people can grab and use
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tantek oh yeah, Micro.blog too
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aaronpk doesn't make sense to include p3k there for example since nobody else can use it hehe
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tantek aaronpk: right: is it 100% OSS that someone can download and run, OR is it a service that anyone can sign up for (micro.blog)
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tantek aaronpk, similarly it wouldn't make sense to include Falcon
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jalcine turnkey vs hosted
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jalcine or not turnkey
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aaronpk caniuse says "Support data contributions by the GitHub community."
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jalcine but equivalent for "you gotta run this yourself"
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jalcine yeah
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jalcine https://github.com/Fyrd/caniuse
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Loqi [Fyrd] caniuse: Raw browser/feature support data from caniuse.com
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jalcine which is still stellar tho
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aaronpk wow https://github.com/Fyrd/caniuse/tree/master/features-json
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tantek jalcine - this sounds like a great project
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jalcine :D thank you!
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tantek definitely needs a broad contribution model to keep it up to date
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tantek like caniuse itself has
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jalcine I'd be eager to take it on - I've already began hacking on something else to help with indiemark 'ranking' determination
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jalcine tbh if it pulls info from the Wiki (using it as a 'backing' database of sorts) then that'd encourage people to sign in there and make edits
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aaronpk so people really are just adding tiny diffs to those giant json files https://github.com/Fyrd/caniuse/commit/8a29cd00dc2484f0dc2e3e76784894e29e9f8305
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snarfed jalcine: you could also use http://indiemap.org/ to determine support based on actual crawl in from the wild
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Loqi Indie Map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset. 2300 sites, 5.7M pages, 380GB HTML with microformats2. Social graph API and interac...
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jalcine ohhh that's _amazing_
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snarfed (includes mf2 classes, endpoints, and servers)
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tantek what is CMS
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Loqi A content management system (often abbreviated as CMS) is software used to create, enter, edit, update, delete content on a website, even on indieweb sites https://indieweb.org/CMS
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aaronpk in order to pull from the wiki we'd need some sort of structured markup for the features
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tantek jalcine, you may be interested in this summary: https://indieweb.org/content_management_system#Examples
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tantek aaronpk: perhaps we should split out the CMSs there that aren't fully available for someone else to use (e.g. p3k and Falcon to begin with)
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aaronpk probably a good idea
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tantek ok splitting
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aaronpk oh the other slight difference between caniuse and our equivalent is that on caniuse, the expectation is that every browser will eventually support the same features. whereas with ours there might be a reader project that intentionally has no publishing aspect but would still support a bunch of indieweb specs.
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tantek aaronpk I bet most readers will end up supporting most specs
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tantek so I think it will still look ok
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jalcine yeah and if it does, that could make sense for the goal of the particular project
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jalcine some might be purely for short form media, others a fully functional solution
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aaronpk yeah just need to make sure that the projects that don't intend to support everything don't look deficient
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jalcine like UX wise?
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aaronpk yeah like visually on the site, caniuse shows a bunch of red for features that have low support, or you'll see IE with a bunch of red. I wouldn't want Monocle to show up with a bunch of red on Webmention support because Webmention doesn't apply to Monocle
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jalcine Hmm
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aaronpk just means the data model needs some notion of whether a particular project should be expected to support a feature or not
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jalcine N/A as a flag
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jalcine perhaps
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tantek yes
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tantek I *do* want other CMS's that don't support something to show up as red
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aaronpk yeah n/a covers it
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KartikPrabhu use "grey" for optional or not expected?
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jalcine ^
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tantek gray just for n/a
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tantek that's like when a form control is disabled
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tantek but "optional" is the wrong way to frame it - everything is "optional"
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tantek OTOH we could distinguish "built-in" vs "with a plugin"
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tantek green: built-in support
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aaronpk oh yeah that's probably a good idea too, cause it's not quite accurate to say wordpress supports micropub right now
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tantek lime: support with a plug-in
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tantek we should do this soon too
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KartikPrabhu also think of the colour blind readers :)
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tantek I heard a rumor that Known was considering moving some features (IndieAuth?) to plugins
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tantek (out of core)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: go file an issue on that on caniuse first, then come back
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Loqi yea
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aaronpk wat. just in time for wordpress to get proper indieauth support.
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KartikPrabhu oh ok so we are not being better than caniuse?
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KartikPrabhu better/more inclusive
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tantek KartikPrabhu: no I'm saying perhaps your concern is theoretical, so go test your concern on caniuse first
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jalcine they have color blind support
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tantek exactly
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jalcine it's at the very bottom of the page
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jalcine ah
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tantek instead of pre-emptive handwringing
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KartikPrabhu I was suggesting not hand-wringing but ok
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tantek I think jalcine is on the right track, something with the look and feel of caniuse would really help people (devs?) "get" the level of support in various tools
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jalcine ideally for those who understand the general concept of the IndieWeb but want to know what options are availabie with what support
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jalcine then for developers who want to potenitally contribute
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tantek totally makes sense
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aaronpk i like it
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jalcine :D was definitely a shot in the dark of an idea
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snarfed aaronpk: just fyi i'm trying a global (reactive) throttle for instagram scraping in bridgy and granary, since they're still massively rate limited. i can let you know how it goes if you're interested.
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/granary/commit/80e6ec0dd93e27bab2f09f9d51e7eafbb03ae7ee
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aaronpk oh fun
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snarfed (i assume OYG still gets rate limited too)
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aaronpk i don't think i've hit that on OYG yet? or if i have, I haven't noticed
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snarfed "fun"
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snarfed i thought you said you had a while ago
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aaronpk lol that is quite possible
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snarfed maybe not
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aaronpk has too many projets
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tantek aaronpk: also the CMSs that no one here uses should be pushed out to another table
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tantek if no one here is using a CMS, that's a very bad sign (in terms of community support, indieweb standards support etc.)
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tantek who is Oliver?
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tantek.com edited /content_management_system (+462) "/* Examples */ separate Other Examples with no one using in the community, unknown level(s) of indieweb support" (view diff)
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tantek and look - only 7 CMSs now in the first table: https://indieweb.org/content_management_system#Examples
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tantek add "micro.blog" and that's "8 solutions"
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tantek for a theoretical caniuse for indieweb
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jalcine fits the browser range :)
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tantek Interesting: https://github.com/11ty/eleventy
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Loqi [11ty] eleventy: A simpler static site generator. An alternative to Jekyll. Transforms a directory of templates (of varying types) into HTML.
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tantek what is eleventy
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "eleventy" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "eleventy is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek anyone here heard of it or use(d) it?
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jalcine I haven't - that's new to me
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tantek wow: http://apps-of-a-feather.com/
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jalcine wow. tbh I hope Twitter pulls back on what they're doing :(
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Loqi aww, cheer up
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tantek amazing timing with the upswing of Microsub
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tantek aaronpk - worth reaching out to all those app developers?
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snarfed discussed earlier. https://twitter.com/TwitterDev/status/982346370882461696
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@TwitterDev Last year we announced our plan to retire Site Streams & User Streams, and replace them with the Account Activity API (currently in beta). We are delaying the scheduled June 19th deprecation date. (twitter.com/_/status/982346370882461696)
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skippy tantek: miklb mentioned e11y above a bit. not currently using it.
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tantek that makes 8 CMSs in the main table
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tantek interestingly enough, all 8 of those are PHP / MySQL
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aaronpk micro.blog isn't php!
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tantek it's also not a CMS you can install
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aaronpk but it does publish to your own github repository http://help.micro.blog/2016/mirroring-to-github/
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aaronpk none of the reader features are part of that of course
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tantek I implemented replies to github, but forgot about likes
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tantek Hmm tho I wonder if Bridgy handles a "like" of an issue or comment on GitHub as a 👍 or a ❤️
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snarfed neither! it doesn't map likes of issues or comments to anything
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snarfed since unlike starring a repo, there's no single, obvious, unsurprising mapping of liking issues/comments
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aaronpk unsurprising++
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Loqi unsurprising has 1 karma
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snarfed i did notice you tried recently though :P
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tantek lol
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tantek I did, then I immediately concluded the problem was in my codde
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aaronpk could do an emoji response?
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aaronpk like the reverse of how it translates facebook reactions to emoji
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tantek I was intending a "like" as shorthand for a 👍 on an issue/comment
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tantek that seems like a reasonable expectation, as FB has taught folks that 👍 = like, especially in the context of where there is also a ❤️
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tantek right now I cluster my likes in my stream, so if I like a bunch of tweets, it doesn't take up a ton of space
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tantek which I was hoping to do for github issue/comment likes too
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tantek because it makes less sense to cluster a bunch of reacji instream
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tantek snarfed do you think like -> 👍 on issues/comments would be surprising?
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snarfed tantek: alternatively you could 👍 on your site and cluster that with likes
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tantek right
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tantek I don't do any special treatment of reacji yet, but perhaps I should
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