#dev 2018-04-10

2018-04-10 UTC
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tantek.com edited /Category:building-blocks (+854) "why with TimBL quote, building blocks instead of stack" (view diff)
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tantek_ snarfed++ great job capturing that pattern / principle
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tantek_ bridge all the things << plurality
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Loqi ok, I added "[[plurality]]" to the "See Also" section of /bridge_all_the_things https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=46772&oldid=46770
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tantek_ plurality << bridge all the things
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Loqi ok, I added "[[bridge all the things]]" to the "See Also" section of /plurality https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=46773&oldid=26384
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grantcodes tantek: I was actually thinking of doing images of text notes for Instagram as a silly side project.
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tantek_ what is rel=subscribe
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Loqi rel-subscribe is an experimental rel value for linking from your home page to your subscription endpoint, and is currently prototyped by Aaron Parecki on aaronparecki.com; try the Follow button in the right side of the footer of his home page or any permalink https://indieweb.org/rel-subscribe
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loqi.me edited /418 (+63) "tantek_ added "[[events/2018-04-18-homebrew-website-club]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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[eddie] !tell aaronpk Have you documented anywhere the mf2 -> jf2 conversion done by Xray/Webmention.io? I’m wanting to build an opposite conversion function so that when I get a webmention.io ping, I can just feed that into a function and get mf2 back
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk Hmm
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aaronpk What do you need documented other than jf2 itself?
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aaronpk You should be able to expand it to either mf2 json pretty easily, just turning everything back into arrays if they are not already, and stashing everything in a "properties" object
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Loqi totally
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[eddie] That’s true. I was thinking more of a canonical list of attributes that need to be converted to arrays
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[eddie] But that’s true, if it’s not an array, convert to array, makes sense. I’ll try that out and see what it gets me :)
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aaronpk Yeah that should work for converting to mf2 JSON
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aaronpk I should document the vocabs it parses tho for people wanting to actually render the content
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tantek_ benthatmustbeme did that with his stream.thatmustbe service (convert jf2 to mf2 in a nicely usable way)
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tantek_ the /RSVPs display on my indie events depends on exactly that
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GWG Does anyone strip EXIF data from images?
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[miklb] I run my images through ImageOptim so I’m assuming I do.
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GWG [miklb]: This is the issue. https://github.com/dshanske/simple-location/issues/69
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Loqi [dshanske] #69 Photos Uploaded Automatically Show Location
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[miklb] nice
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GWG [miklb]: Nice?
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[miklb] it’s a Twitter meme
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[miklb] the issue number
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GWG Oh. Didn't realize
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[miklb] I don’t know EXIF data stuff. I believe petermolnar has done a lot in that arena
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GWG I know, but this is a privacy question
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@thorkon Dear @gRegorLove - is there any ProcessWire webmentions Modul/Plugin working on the current pw version 3.0.98 ? (twitter.com/_/status/983585164336001024)
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@gRegorLove ↩️ I have an in-progress PW3 branch that should work, though I haven’t tested it in a while. If you try it out, please let me know any issues you run into. In the coming months I should be able to get an official release out. https://github.com/gRegorLove/ProcessWire-Webmention/tree/master-pw3 (twitter.com/_/status/983586453748842496)
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gRegorLove lol miklb
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gRegorLove It's on my list to strip EXIF
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gRegorLove That's some good inspiration to work on that updated plugin. I honestly have never known if anyone else in ProcessWire land was using it.
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Zegnat I seem to recall petermolnar is keeping EXIF. But he might strip GPS.
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@thorkon ↩️ Thank your for that quick reaction! I‘ll try to run it these days. I‘m not into webmentions yet at all, so if I won‘t get it working it might be just my fault. (twitter.com/_/status/983589115080904704)
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petermolnar gRegorLove: why would you strip exif? That data is part of the photo.
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sknebel it's a bit questionable if something e.g. reveals a location without it being obvious that it does
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swentel .
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@sonniesedge It's still extremely basic, but I got inbound webmentions running on a static server-side generated website! 🎉🍾 #indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/983637204248485889)
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petermolnar I found a weird bug with my search system: looking for "ssh-agent" resulted in HTTP 500; turned out to be a known issue with sqlite3 query parameters, because the query get's interpreted as ssh -agent, telling there's no "agent" column - which is true. Does anyone have any experience on how to avoid this?
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cweiske what's the SQL that you sent to sqlite?
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petermolnar https://github.com/petermolnar/nasg/blob/master/shared.py#L433
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petermolnar maybe if I put it in quotes, that'll help
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cweiske you don't quote the search query?
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cweiske sql injection?
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cweiske bobby tables?
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petermolnar for some reason I assumed the sqlite3 lib is taking care of that the way it's done
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cweiske ah, because you use .execute
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cweiske then the question is why MATCH is interpreting a quoted query as a column name
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@sonniesedge ↩️ I'm going to write about the webmentions , the @pinboard integration, and how the site has been built with Metalsmith and @netlify up into a post. #indieweb But for now you can look at the files on Github to get a rough idea. 😁https://github.com/sonniesedge/sonniesedge-website/ (twitter.com/_/status/983639519248506880)
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dgold hello everybody!
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Zegnat Hiya dgold!
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dgold sorry, wrong channel :)
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dgold but, hello everyone here, regardless
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petermolnar ok, wrapping the ? as '?' doesn't help
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dgold if installing a PHP script with composer, and if the script author has created a composer.lock file, and included that lock file with the script (under version control)
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dgold doesn't that kinda mean that the script author intends you to use those specific versions of the dependencies with their script?
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cweiske generally yes
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cweiske libraries should not have their composer.lock committed
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dgold unsure if this was a -dev or not query
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cweiske applications usually have composer.lock committed
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dgold cweiske: I'm unsure which category my nanopub falls into - i'm thinking application(?)
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cweiske yes
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Zegnat Yes, you should probably checkin the lock file for nanopub. That way, if people ask for support, you can be somewhat certain they are setup the same way as you. (That is: exactly the same dependencies got loaded.)
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cweiske petermolnar, http://sqlite.org/fts5.html#full_text_query_syntax
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dgold thank you (phew) I have a bug report which (while it also contains valid bugs, which I am fixing, and happy to do so) complains because the user ran composer update and broke the script
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Zegnat Lock files (both from composer [PHP] and npm [JS]) are there so builds are reproducible :)
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@sonniesedge ↩️ BTW, many thanks to @adactio for tuning me into webmentions and related #indieweb concepts. ❤️ (twitter.com/_/status/983640832300503040)
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dgold Zegnat: I did, for that reason. Added the .lock file (I think on your recommendation, actually)
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cweiske petermolnar, you need some way to convert the string into a phrase
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cweiske which will be hard
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cweiske depending on what features you want to support
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petermolnar damn
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petermolnar thanks for the find
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dgold (this is my first bugfix using spacemacs, I just realised)
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dgold Zegnat: I love what you're doing with grapefruit
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[kevinmarks] bridge all the things << https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/05/24/strategy-letter-ii-chicken-and-egg-problems/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/05/24/strategy-letter-ii-chicken-and-egg-problems/" to the "See Also" section of /bridge_all_the_things https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=46778&oldid=46772
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swentel hmm question about 'author' discovery in posts. indiewebify.me says adding rel="author" anywhere on the page should be fine, but tried a couple of variants, no luck so far. Why would <a href="/" rel="author"></a> not work? (or should it be outside the h-entry?
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Zegnat I think rel="author" is discouraged practise, but not withstanding that, a rel="author" could go anywhere on the page. Yes.
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Zegnat There might be some bugs in authorship discovery on indiewebify.me though. Could you test with https://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me/ , swentel?
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swentel Zegnat, oh, interesting
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swentel it found it now
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swentel hmm, k, need to reimport everything in Aperture now so I actually see my own picture and name in the timeline ..
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swentel unless aperture doesn't follow back to the homepage of course
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swentel should check with aaron
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Zegnat Not sure. If Aperture uses XRay you could check what http://xray.p3k.io/ does.
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swentel right
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swentel hmm, looks like it should work now if I'm reading the code right
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swentel ok, crossing fingers ..
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[kevinmarks] i don't think xray fetches the homepage, but it will reuse an h-card elsewhere on the page with the same url but more info iirc
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@jgmac1106 I need to start writing some scripts. Currently have to update my class website and my class syllabus each week. Been thinking if there is a place for webmentions in my weekly html pushes. #indieiweb (twitter.com/_/status/983660515724546048)
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Zegnat dgold, how is the font size / contrast on grapefruit for you?
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dgold its actually fine, for me. little small, but that's just cos i'm ancient :)
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Zegnat It should be 100% of your browser’s preferred font size, so you could tweak that.
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dgold scrolling is odd too - I think your red bar at the top is setting a width that far exceeds your text content
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Zegnat I am using colours from http://chriskempson.com/projects/base16/ , playing around with the idea to make the theme choosable, much like on that page.
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Zegnat It shouldn’t, the bar should match the width of body, which is the width of your browser
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dgold in safari tp, its setting a width about 125% of browser window
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Zegnat I’ll check that out, thanks for the pointer!
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dgold oooh! I also am playing with base16!
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dgold <snap>
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Zegnat Nice!
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swentel [kevinmarks], well, there's this piece code:
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swentel / 7.1 "get the author-page from that URL and parse it for microformats2"
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swentel $authorPageContents = self::getURL($authorPage, $http);
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swentel haven't checked the complete code path, will see what happens .. :)
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Zegnat Hmm, I should add a timer to grapefruit so I know how long it takes to generate the site. See how long I can keep up with all you Hugo users.
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cweiske !tell aaronpk the page titles loqi shows for e.g. https://indieauth.com/setup are not helpful
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi IndieAuth.com
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Zegnat Loqi is identifying the entire website (even non-homepage pages) as h-x-app looks like.
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Zegnat http://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Findieauth.com%2Fsetup
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skippy dgold: sorry for running `composer update`. this is the first time I've used composer, so workflow is new to me.
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dgold no problem, skippy
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dgold i hope my comment didn't come across as mansplaining
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skippy not at all. legit query.
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dgold oh, and you really really shouldn't be running composer as root
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dgold bad practice
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skippy sure; but my PHP is in a container.
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skippy and my container doesnt have sudo.
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skippy suppose i could `su` to www-data.
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cweiske if you're in a container it's probably fine
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skippy that was my thinking.
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cweiske .. but if you mounted some directory from the host into your container, you can do anything as root in it inside the container
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cweiske so don't mount / into the container :)
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skippy unless i had selinux enabled, which prvents some of those attack vectors.
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skippy but i dont have selinux enabled. :)
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tantek_ !tell snarfed WDYT of https://counter.social/about ? Specifically have you (or could you) test(ed) fed.bridgy to it?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[snarfed] tantek: looks like it's just Mastodon with some extra opsec-inspired hardening? bridgy fed should work with it as long as that extra stuff doesn't interfere. feel free to try it!
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Loqi [snarfed]: tantek_ left you a message 24 minutes ago: WDYT of https://counter.social/about ? Specifically have you (or could you) test(ed) fed.bridgy to it?
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skippy https://dashboard.counter.social/dashboard/db/countersocial?refresh=1h&orgId=1 that's neat.
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tantek_ snarfed, the reason I ask is they appear to have broken Federation with other Mastodon instances (nothing from others show up on the home page for example).
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tantek_ so I figured I'd ask you as I'm expecting it *may* fail and if it does, you'll have a much better chance at debugging. Or if it "just" works, then you can list fed.bridgy as explicitly having interop with CounterSocial as well
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tantek_ Hey static site users/devs, consider answering this: https://twitter.com/drewm/status/983634762433810432
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@drewm What do you think the best use cases are for a static site generator? (twitter.com/_/status/983634762433810432)
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[snarfed] do you know they broke federation? or you just don't see anything federated in the home page?
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tantek_ snarfed, strong evidence (by AP devs) that they've broken it, deliberately: https://chat.indieweb.org/social/2018-04-04#t1522847327579500
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Loqi [Loqi] [@GingerGathering] #Countersocial is simply the best Social Media experience on the internet. #SorryNotSorry #Mastodon. We could've been friends. Don't let the door hit your butt on the way out. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXbPRnaX0AEAt8p.jpg
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[snarfed] ok. sounds unclear but possible based on that conversation
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loqi.me created /tapiriik (+209) "prompted by sknebel and dfn added by sknebel" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /tapiriik (+1) "linkify ('… is <url>' pattern)" (view diff)
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[snarfed] if they did break freshen, bridgy fed won't work
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[snarfed] sounds low priority to test, but i can add it to my list!
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[snarfed] er s/freshen/federation/
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tantek_ yeah I'm feeling the same way about defining CounterSocial on the wiki at all
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[snarfed] wait a while and see if it ever comes up again
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[snarfed] the script kiddie ish signs are definitely a turn off
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: cweiske left you a message 1 hour, 59 minutes ago: the page titles loqi shows for e.g. https://indieauth.com/setup are not helpful
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Loqi good morning
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aaronpk oh huh looks like I have too much mf2 on that page
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@megarush1024 That time you’re googling to try to find a link you forgot to bookmark, and you run across a post from @ChrisAldrich and while scrolling through the comments you realize that whole respond via webmention from your own comments section thing actually worked. Yeah! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/983705534896529409)
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skippy dgold: looking at nanopub, it looks like you only use Symfony's yaml functions in two places. Curious why you chose that over PECL YAML? http://php.net/manual/en/yaml.installation.php easier to install?
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aaronpk that yaml installation requires installing it via the system's packaging. like on ubuntu it's `apt install php72-yaml`
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skippy nods.
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aaronpk so if you're on a shared host or something and can't install extensions, the php-only one is better since you can actually install it
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schmarty js;dr << http://sighjavascript.tumblr.com/
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Loqi ok, I added "http://sighjavascript.tumblr.com/" to the "See Also" section of /js;dr https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=46784&oldid=46557
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aaronpk lol at first I thought the "well done" prefixes were sarcastic
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aaronpk that was confusing
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dgold skippy: what he said
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aaronpk fixed markup on indieauth.com
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cweiske https://indieauth.com
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Loqi IndieAuth.com
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aaronpk also did some minor copy updates in the mean time
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cweiske https://indieauth.com/setup
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aaronpk https://indieauth.com/setup
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aaronpk next up is making loqi not say the page name if the entirety of what loqi is about to say is also the URL
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aaronpk that's been bugging me for a while
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dgold skippy: i wouldn't have yaml in there at all, for preference, but it was pretty trivial to implement
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skippy dgold: sure; but it brings in Symfony's dependencies, which increases nanopub's footprint. not complaining; just observing.
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skippy before i start trying to make a PR for plugins, trying to grok what's there. Don't want to be a bull in a china shop!
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dgold it shouldn't, it should only pull in symfony/yaml
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dgold just checked, yup, that's all it sucks in
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skippy dgold: that's what i meant.
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kaushalmodi What is grapefruit?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "grapefruit" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "grapefruit is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat kaushalmodi, https://grapefruit.zegnat.net/ - no reason to document on the wiki. Just testing things.
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kaushalmodi Zegnat: Thanks, I was just curious, because I saw that work pop up few times here :)
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petermolnar is grapefruit a relative to chicken posts?
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Zegnat Honestly, I just needed a placeholder name. Was looking at the XKCD colour survey, saw that people identified grapefruit as a colour, and ran with it
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Zegnat The bar at the top is grapefruit (#FD5956)
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aaronpk if orange can be a color why not grapefruit too
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Zegnat the whole thing might soon 301 to licit.li, if I like it enough
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jeremycherfas Because orange the fruit started as orange the colour, IIRC
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tantek_ aaronpk because grapefruit is ambiguous pink or yellow
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jeremycherfas Outside?
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jeremycherfas Oranges can be green outside, and perfectly ripe.
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aaronpk or red
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jeremycherfas Indeed.
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jeremycherfas --> #chat so as not to annoy all the devs? No wait, you are all the devs
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+408) "Berlin 2018!" (view diff)
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tantek_ what is notist
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Loqi notist is a forthcoming silo for hosting one's speaking events, slides, but also meant to collate feedback, tweets, photos, sketchnotes to create a permanent speaking portfolio https://indieweb.org/notist
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tantek_ notist << https://twitter.com/benotist/status/982603063994220544
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/benotist/status/982603063994220544" to the "See Also" section of /notist https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=46786&oldid=44863
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aaronpk yikes
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+117) "/* Brighton */ Ampersand web typography conference" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /site-deaths (+534) "/* 2018 */ Polyvore" (view diff)
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[gerwitz] Does anyone have a “canonical” set of example micropub requests?
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skippy likely defined in https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub [gerwitz]
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snarfed https://micropub.rocks/
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[gerwitz] indeed…but I was hoping for some more complex examples. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[gerwitz] I guess the help pages on ownyour* services will be good 😉
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aaronpk quill has a lot of different types of posts too
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swentel aaronpk, does aperture cache microformat feeds, even if you tell it to delete everything ?
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swentel I'm trying to fix my feed markup (author to be specific), bit messing it up now heh
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aaronpk yeah the delete is just removing it from the channel, not deleting it internally
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swentel right
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swentel raah
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swentel author info is still not showing up
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swentel using http://xray.p3k.io to test my timeline, guess I have to read the authorship discovery again
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aaronpk what's the feed url you're trying?
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swentel https://realize.be/timeline
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aaronpk I don't see any author info there
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aaronpk oh are you trying rel=author?
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swentel tried that, but didn't work
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swentel now trying with <a href="/" class="u-author"></a>
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swentel been going through findAuthor()
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aaronpk XRay will find that, but I don't think Aperture does the extra step of fetching the home page URL
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swentel and it should go to the homepage if I'm reading right
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swentel aah hmm
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aaronpk Aperture only uses the data on the feed page
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swentel right
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aaronpk so if you include a visible or hidden h-card on that page with the same author URL then it'll find it
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aaronpk fetching the home page URL has implications I was not ready to deal with in Aperture so I left that step out for now
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swentel alright, but then outside the h-feed
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swentel ?
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swentel or that doesn't really matter?
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aaronpk I don't see an h-feed on that page at all
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swentel yeah, that was there a few minutes ago heh
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swentel been messing around the last 30 minutes
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aaronpk if you do have h-feed then you can make it the author property of the h-feed
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aaronpk if you want just the list of h-entrys then it can be an h-card at the bottom by itself
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swentel ok, let me try
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swentel If I can fix that, then I'm ready to start alpha releases for indigenous
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swentel it's the one thing that has been bothering me the last two days lol
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swentel I see your or marty's picture nicely in the feed, but mine is empty hah
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swentel (and not even a name either)
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swentel hmm
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swentel now it only finds one entry
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swentel interesting results :)
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aaronpk i'm not sure why xray is doing that, but: https://xray.p3k.io/parse?expect=feed&url=https%3A%2F%2Frealize.be%2Ftimeline
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aaronpk there's a special mode to tell it to expect a feed
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aaronpk that looks right!
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swentel oh yeah, that's better
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swentel nice!
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swentel let's see if it shows up now in aperture *crossing fingers*
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swentel hmmm
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swentel probably still cached :/
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aaronpk you're using my aperture.p3k.io not your own install right?
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swentel aaronpk, no using account you gave me on https://aperture.p3k.io
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aaronpk yeah that's what I mean, k
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swentel but I've been thinking to setup one though
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swentel so I can mess around more
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kaushalmodi swentel: I went throught this h-card exercise few weeks back. See the source of https://scripter.co/ if it helps
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kaushalmodi I set h-card in the footer of each page in my site
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aaronpk !date 2018-04-11 16:09:58
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Loqi 2018-04-11 16:09:58 is 2018-04-11 09:09:58 PDT
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kaushalmodi and then set just the <a href="/" class="u-author"></a> in each h-entry
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aaronpk whoops just missed the window
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swentel kaushalmodi, yeah, doing that excercise now for the drupal module, it's trying, and a lot of failing heh
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aaronpk looks like it's not going to check your site again til tomorrow
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swentel ah damn :)
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aaronpk I might be able to trick it
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aaronpk I really need that "poll now" button
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swentel heh
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swentel I was thinking that, I'll write one maybe ;-)
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swentel or 'Kill this feed for real' haha
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aaronpk someone else must be subscribed to that because if there's only one subscriber in the aperture instance it will actually stop following it and delete it completely
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aaronpk looks like my hack worked! do you see it now?
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swentel hmm no, doesn't show up
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swentel I see old entries still in https://monocle.p3k.io too which don't even exist anymore
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aaronpk yeah it doesn't delete anything
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aaronpk since things not being on the page don't mean they've been deleted
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aaronpk (old items fall off the bottom of the page usually)
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aaronpk and aperture doesn't do any permalink fetching to check for actual deleted content yet
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aaronpk I thought it would handle updating existing content from the page though
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aaronpk try adding a new post and i'll trigger the fetch again
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swentel ok
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swentel ok done
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aaronpk k give it a minute
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aaronpk check now?
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swentel not yet in
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aaronpk that's weird, it thinks it didn't change
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Zegnat Reading this, Aperture doesn’t have an author on grapefruit either, does it? :(
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aaronpk it doesn't, but I think that's a bug rather than something you need to change
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swentel ok, no worries, have to run now home anyway
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swentel feel free to completely kill my timeline if you want :)
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Zegnat I always think the bug is with other people’s software, aaronpk ;) But I should maybe double check
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aaronpk Zegnat: as long as your site follows /authorship and doesn't require an additional http request, Aperture should be finding your author info
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snarfed "it's a bug in the compiler" 😆
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jeremycherfas Can I ask a dumb newbie PHP question? If I have a script that was working, and now is not, can I use die(); effectively as a breakpoint, maybe with a var_dump() just before it to see where things stand?
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aaronpk i do that all the time :)
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jeremycherfas Good enough for me! Thanks. There's mno real difference between die; and exit; is there?
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aaronpk i believe they are aliases
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@m_ott ↩️ Der saubere Weg wäre wohl, dass Bridgy (oder wer auch immer den Request abschickt) ne zweite Webmention sendet und dann beim Aufruf der Source ein `410 Gone` zurückgibt. Dann sollte Dein Server die Webmention entfernen. https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/#updating-existing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/983750331120185344)
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pstuifzand aaronpk, is "before" used for "action=timeline" in Monocle?
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aaronpk yea
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pstuifzand How can I invoke it ?
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pstuifzand I saw "More" at the bottom
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aaronpk that "more" link should just be an href to the URL
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aaronpk oh wait are you writing a microsub server?
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pstuifzand yes
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aaronpk now i understand the question
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aaronpk return the paging object with the values you want to use for before/after https://indieweb.org/Microsub-spec#Paging
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aaronpk then monocle will write the link to that "more" button
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pstuifzand I now sort oldest to newest, More / after will get the next page of results
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pstuifzand I haven't found a back button to get more history (older posts)
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aaronpk monocle only navigates one direction right now
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pstuifzand alright
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pstuifzand I added paging yesterday, but now I always start at the oldest post.
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pstuifzand I'm think about removing the oldest posts, from the timeline. That way the first post is always the oldest unread item
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aaronpk interesting
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pstuifzand However this will remove the history (read items)
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aaronpk i've been thinking about an option for clients to request the timeline with read items removed or not
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pstuifzand It's all in Redis
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aaronpk ha neat
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pstuifzand So I can't use WHERE id >= after, or something
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pstuifzand At the moment the idea is the have two lists for every channel: before and after and keep read and unread items in there
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pstuifzand When an item is read, it will move the item from the after list to the before list
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aaronpk that makes sense
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pstuifzand So at the moment I can start with removing the read from the "after" list and not worry about history
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pstuifzand and then ZCARD "after" is the unread items count
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aaronpk redis is fun :)
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pstuifzand yes, at some I will need to the GEO features and find the closest posts
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pstuifzand that will be easy in Redis
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pstuifzand easier than the paging and the timeline
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aaronpk i'm really looking forward to playing with http://tile38.com/ which is a similar protocol to redis but specifically for geo stuff
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pstuifzand some website ?
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pstuifzand same
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pstuifzand looks similar to redis website
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aaronpk it's not by the same people but it is inspired by it
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pstuifzand it seems you can use redis client
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aaronpk yep! very similar protocol :)
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pstuifzand I need to remember that
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KartikPrabhu what is redis?
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Loqi redis is an open source (BSD licensed), in-memory data structure store, used as database, cache and message broker https://indieweb.org/redis
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snarfed ok, i've gone through all of https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/changelog/breaking-changes/#4-4-2018
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snarfed the events and pages edges they turned off are fine; we don't use them. afaict the one real problem is that they turned off user.website (and user.about), which we needed for original post discovery.
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snarfed confirmed on an example user who signed up after 4/4: https://brid.gy/facebook/555706984828608 . they have a web site in their facebook profile, and bridgy has the user_website permission, but FB no longer returns the user.website field, and the permission is deprecated.
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Loqi Thorsten Konigorski
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snarfed that user is getting backfeed, but only because they have original post links in their FB posts
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sknebel ugh
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snarfed so, i need to either add UI for FB users to manually tell bridgy their web site(s), or we lose OPD for FB accounts
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snarfed ugh indeed
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snarfed oh publish too, since we look up the account by domain
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[kevinmarks] could a rel=me link from the users site to FB be used? - or does auth with fb no longer give that url?
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snarfed [kevinmarks]: right, fb no longer gives us the user's web site(s)
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snarfed https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/changelog/breaking-changes/#user-4-4
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snarfed filed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/807
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Loqi [snarfed] #807 facebook no longer gives us users' web site URLs
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[kevinmarks] does it even give you their fb url?
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snarfed no, but you can construct it
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snarfed funny, the web site link on https://www.facebook.com/Thorsten.Konigorski doesn't have rel-me, but the one on https://www.facebook.com/Thorsten.Konigorski/about does
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snarfed i guess i could scrape it. argh. fml.
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snarfed actually i can't really scrape it. the profile URLs i can construct require login to redirect to the actual profile URLs
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[kevinmarks] Facebook are busily stopping any way of correlating fb id with other data, even if the user wants otherwise
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snarfed yup
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snarfed tradeoffs
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[kevinmarks] there is an underlying hard problem here - are apps acting on your behalf or not?
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pstuifzand Is there a way to reset the view in Together? I switched to the location view and now I get a white page...
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pstuifzand In the past i could clear the storage, but that doesn't seem to work anymore
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skippy aaronpk: nitpick about micropub spec: the Update section is much looser on HTTP verb than the other sections. https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#update
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skippy "Updating entries is done with a JSON post". But the other sections are more explicit about "HTTP POST"
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aaronpk huh yeah that should have been more explicit
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aaronpk "HTTP POST with a JSON content type"
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skippy nitpicky. I got what I needed; just noticed the variance.
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aaronpk yeah, not sure how that slipped by :)
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skippy aaronpk: may I also ask: when creating new content via micropub, there is no "action" specified, correct?
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swentel .
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aaronpk correct, you just post the mf2 json object you want to create
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skippy or form-encoded values. thank you.
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aaronpk yep
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skippy perfect. thank you!
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skippy I seem to recall someone in here asking about a single-file PHP twitter library? this looks like one: https://github.com/J7mbo/twitter-api-php
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Loqi [J7mbo] twitter-api-php: The simplest PHP Wrapper for Twitter API v1.1 calls
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skippy it was Zegnat https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-03-24/1521888089333500
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Loqi [Zegnat] Anyone happen to have a 1 file PHP script for POSSE to Twitter at their fingertips? Before I start searching...
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aaronpk nice
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@jackbaty I think the only thing I’d need in order to replace my Wordpress-based micro blog with the one provided by http://micro.blog is display of Webmentions. (twitter.com/_/status/983834133779673088)
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tantek_ re: "“IndieWeb-compatible" - for a while we use "IndieWeb friendly"
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