#dev 2018-04-14

2018-04-14 UTC
snarfed, eli_oat and tantek_ joined the channel
#
tantek_ !tell skippy,aaronpk re: "*all* elements on an MF2 JSON object are *always* arrays, even single-element items" here: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#details_from_examples though it would be good to also be explicit in the parsing spec. Feel free to file an issue for that.
#
Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
#
aaronpk Yeah I know i just couldn't find anything to cite to back that up
#
Loqi aaronpk: tantek_ left you a message 1 minute ago: re: "*all* elements on an MF2 JSON object are *always* arrays, even single-element items" here: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#details_from_examples though it would be good to also be explicit in the parsing spec. Feel free to file an issue for that.
leg joined the channel
#
GWG Evening
#
tantek_ aaronpk do you have a screenshot of what your reacji reply-contexts look like in-stream? I'm thinking of trying to design something minimal because I don't think reacji should take up as much space as a note or normal text comment
#
aaronpk I didn't do anything special so they aren't very nice looking
#
aaronpk I agree they'd look better smaller somehow
#
tantek_ (to start with I'm trying to figure out if I can provide a "one-liner" reply-context that just follows the 👍
#
tantek_ )
#
tantek.com edited /reactions (+13) "reacji in dfn" (view diff)
#
eddiehinkle.com moved /Emojitag to /tagmoji "Got the name wrong"
#
eddiehinkle.com edited /tagmoji (-1) "Fix name" (view diff)
[eddie] joined the channel
#
[eddie] tagmoji << https://micro.blog/macgenie/480206
#
Loqi ok, I added "https://micro.blog/macgenie/480206" to a brand new "See Also" section of /tagmoji https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=46857&oldid=46856
#
loqi.me edited /tagmoji (+54) "[eddie] added "https://micro.blog/macgenie/480206" to "See Also"" (view diff)
#
Loqi [macgenie] @cheri We have many book-loving members of the community. We don’t have hashtags here, but we do use “tagmoji”. This emoji is available in the Discover tab: 📚.
snarfed, eli_oat, renem and KartikPrabhu joined the channel
#
tantek.com edited /reacji (+682) "start Brainstoming, Reply Context, start with a few examples" (view diff)
#
tantek_ aaronpk, a few examples of my current line of thinking for reacji reply contexts: https://indieweb.org/reacji#Reply_Context
#
aaronpk not bad
#
tantek_ perhaps overly simple, figuring overly simple makes it easier to add things bit by bit until it feels "right"
#
tantek_ I'm also hoping a "simple" approach may look at least "ok" in-stream as well
#
aaronpk i'd have to add special support to Monocle to recognize that something is a reacji and render it differently
#
aaronpk turns out recognizing whether a string is a single emoji is nontrivial
#
@Inkwater_Masha Publishing is a choice. Here's an interesting perspective of the challenges and reality out there. http://ow.ly/gD9s30jpVEr #publishing #self-publish #traditional #amwriting #indieauth #author (twitter.com/_/status/984984597845938181)
#
tantek_ aaronpk benthatmustbe wrote a php library for that
AngeloGladding joined the channel
#
jjuran tantek_: There’s been massive spam in #indieweb
#
tantek_ jjuran I'm on only via web interface - you'll have to ping zegnat or aaronpk
#
tantek_ jjuran - also -> #indieweb-meta
#
aaronpk Yea but it requires constant maintenance because the emoji consortium keeps adding new things
kaushalmodi joined the channel
#
tantek_ "emoji consortium" 😂
#
tantek_ I'm likely to approximate it with some small number of emoji being trated like a reacji
[cleverdevil] joined the channel
#
aaronpk I mean that's pretty much what it is
maingo joined the channel
#
GWG Okay, this drove me crazy for 30 minutes.
#
GWG https://github.com/swentel/indigenous-android/issues/51
#
Loqi [dshanske] #51 Missing Redirect_URI
gRegorLove joined the channel
#
GWG And it was in the Indieauth code. Darn
#
aaronpk What was the problem?
#
Loqi The problem is that when you ask what is the problem, you need to be more specific https://indieweb.org/problem
#
GWG It was the same typo, but in the WordPress Indieauth code.
#
aaronpk Ah crap
[jeremycherfas] and Mandrake joined the channel
#
GWG aaronpk: I'm working on a PR now
#
GWG For that and the settings thing
#
Mandrake is someone here still using git commands?
#
GWG Still?
#
Mandrake not right now, but if ur using it, coz i got some simple question regarding about pull
AngeloGladding, Mandrake and jeremycherfas joined the channel
#
sebsel !tell cweiske There's a 500 on https://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/ :(
#
Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
#
seblog.nl edited /discuss (+62) "/* See Also */ add link to "How to remove spam"" (view diff)
#
Zegnat sebsel, feels like you should add yourself here: https://indieweb.org/reacji#Reply_Context
#
Zegnat Reading the discussion from earlier you have already been using special display of reacji for a long time.
iasai joined the channel
#
sebsel Zegnat But I already am on that page with my Reacji?
#
sebsel Just a bit higher on under Indieweb Examples.
#
sebsel Ah, and I don't really do any reply context whatsoever on my site right now
#
sebsel No, I fetch the author name, that counts I guess.
#
Zegnat I thought you displayed name and author? That's pretty close to what tantek is saying there. And you do it all in a compact 1 line format rather than having a header block that is usually the reply context design
#
sebsel Right, I treat it like it's something I like (for which I use "[heart icon] Seb likes [postname] by [authorname].") but then with "[emoji] at [postname] by [authorname]".
#
sebsel !tell tantek re your reacji brainstorming: sounds like what I've doing with mine https://seblog.nl/2017/02/20/4/day-36-reacji (I just don't post them that often, unfortunately)
#
Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
#
sebsel lol and on that screenshot is also my silly /wrote post experiment, of which I posted only one or two.
[kevinmarks] and [jgmac1106] joined the channel
#
www.svenknebel.de edited /tools (+58) "/* Other Tools */ link /Unicode#Tools section" (view diff)
[jgmac1106] joined the channel
#
[jgmac1106] so really digging indigenous I now have one writing tool where I can publish to all of my blogs.
KartikPrabhu and iasai_ joined the channel
#
@pstuifzand I created an improvement to the webmention support. I now also get a notification in my microsub server. If you like you can try to reply to this post. 🙂 https://p83.nl/p/539 (twitter.com/_/status/985156397829705733)
[eddie], AngeloGladding, gRegorLove, iasai_, [jgmac1106], angelogladding_, Loqi, not_really_a_spa, notaspammer, KartikPrabhu and testiiiiiiing joined the channel
#
aaronparecki.com edited /Loqi (+629) "anti-spam techniques" (view diff)
maingo joined the channel
#
dgold ruh roh - bug report time
#
aaronpk uhoh
#
aaronpk that's about me isn't it
#
dgold :)
#
dgold https://github.com/aaronpk/Watchtower/issues/4
#
Loqi [dg01d] #4 cron.php failing
#
aaronpk commented
#
sebsel there is always an config.example.php in aaronpk's projects :) just copy that one
#
sebsel ah
#
aaronpk that's the closest you get to documentation for my undocumented projects ;-)
#
dgold oh, how did I miss that
#
dgold thanks, and apologies, aaronpk
#
Loqi misses that too
#
sebsel haha
#
sebsel [eddie] has docs for you dgold https://github.com/aaronpk/Watchtower/issues/3
#
Loqi [EdwardHinkle] #3 Add documentation
DenSchub joined the channel
#
sebsel And then I missed aaronpk's comment that dgold in fact has a blogpost.
#
dgold they're my docs and all!
#
sebsel Reading is hard today.
#
dgold what's an "Upstart Dependency" ?
#
aaronpk upstart is one of ubuntu's system startup script manager thingies
#
dgold ah, okay
leg joined the channel
#
dgold I just used systemd
#
dgold (as documented)
#
aaronpk yeah they've been going through a bit of an identity crisis with which startup manager to use
#
aaronpk I can't even keep track of what's the current "best" one
[kevinmarks] joined the channel
#
Zegnat I was pointed at a Linux distro picker recently, that had a special option to hide all distros with systemd dependencies. Re: “what’s the current “best””. These debates can take years and years.
#
aaronpk wow w3c really has a branding problem with the status of their specs
#
aaronpk "Technically, the status of the new standard remains a ‘recommendation,’ but support by browsers is an important step toward formal ratification." https://9to5google.com/2018/04/10/what-is-webauthn/
#
aaronpk technically, it's a Candidate Recommendation
#
aaronpk Recommendation is when it's done
#
Zegnat Ah, for I second I thought you were quoting petermolnar (I think it was?) who wrote something similar before
#
Zegnat https://petermolnar.net/re-eli-20180318015703 - he fixed it, but is another “prior art” to the branding being problematic
#
Loqi [Peter Molnar] RE: https://eli.li/entry.php?id=20180318015703
#
aaronpk yeah they aren't very good names
#
dgold Zegnat: I dislike systemd intensely - i don't think its well written, I don't think the tooling is particularly well done
#
dgold _but_, its what vps providers have, so that's what I'm stuck with
#
dgold I abide
#
sknebel what VPS providers are you using? (as long as it isn't openVZ based you normally can run whatever distro you want)
#
dgold sknebel: it is openVZ
#
[kevinmarks] Rebrand CR as Completely Ready?
#
dgold ovh.com
#
dgold I haz no munnehs
#
dgold I'd love to have a hetzner box, I cannot afford same
#
sknebel ah. yeah, dedicated box is too much for me too (especially since I really don't need the extra performance), but Xen or KVM instead of OpenVZ seems worth it
#
sknebel had some weird issues with earlier OpenVZ VPSes
#
dgold sknebel: KVM in my budget range are usually _very_ limited
#
dgold RAM- and CPU-wise
#
dgold plus, well, no actually -> #chat
#
schmarty awww. i was really hoping aaronpk handled webmentions with photo properties. 😂
#
sknebel I thought he did
#
schmarty https://martymcgui.re/2018/04/14/145815/ only shows up as an "Other mention". Maybe I have the wrong idea about mf2 for photo replies.
#
sknebel !pin13 https://martymcgui.re/2018/04/14/145815/
#
Kaja__ https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmartymcgui.re%2F2018%2F04%2F14%2F145815%2F
#
schmarty the photo property looks like i'd expect. if aaronpk's site *does* show photo replies, then maybe i'm tripping it up with the multiple in-reply-to values, one the plain URL and one an h-cite.
#
sknebel or it doesn't like gifs
#
schmarty could be!
#
sknebel I know I sent him a picture reply one (and just noticed that I broke the markup on that post at some point it seems...)
#
sknebel *once
leg, iasai, [cleverdevil] and KartikPrabhu joined the channel
#
aaronpk haha
#
aaronpk i think i recently discovered that webmention.io wasn't even storing the photo property for replies
#
aaronpk it does now, so now it makes it to my site, but i don't think i added support for rendering it yet
#
sknebel oh, so photo replies only work if it is in the e-content?
#
aaronpk FIXED
#
aaronpk i was just never looking at the "photo" property before
[cleverdevil] joined the channel
#
@grdryn ↩️ All interactions from here (retweets/likes/replies/etc) now get pushed back as webmentions to the post on my blog under 'responses'. This is the first post I've tried that with, and it's clear to me that I need to style those a bit better 😄 (twitter.com/_/status/985265697415712768)
#
loqi.me created /MovableType (+25) "prompted by Zegnat and redirect added by Zegnat" (view diff)
#
@grdryn ↩️ Maybe I should post about how I've configured webmentions there soon (twitter.com/_/status/985265965138087938)
#
schmarty aaronpk: hooray for photo replies! is it intentional that your image processing turned the animated gif into a static one?
[kevinmarks] joined the channel
#
[kevinmarks] Ownyourgram.com seems to not like my known site any more
[pfefferle], iasai_ and DenSchub_ joined the channel
#
aaronpk schmarty: weird! I don't know what would be doing that. I thought it just downloads a copy
KartikPrabhu, [cleverdevil] and eli_oat joined the channel