#dev 2018-05-11

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GWG What icon or image license is compatible with the GPLv2 and where can I find an archive of files licensed under same?
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Loqi GWG: Zegnat left you a message 16 hours, 6 minutes ago: re facepiles and where to link them, have a look at sebsel’s implementation: https://indieweb.org/facepile#Sebastiaan_Andeweg it shows author portraits as links to people, and then reply-type-icons as links to posts.
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GWG Hi snarfed
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snarfed hi!
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mblaney indiepay.me is a website that tracks distributed payment posts via webmention.
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mblaney c'mon Loqi
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GWG snarfed, you coming back to IWS this year m
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snarfed yup! https://2018.indieweb.org/#rsvps
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snarfed no surprise project launch planned this time though 😆
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snarfed just feature deaths 😢
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GWG snarfed, your presence is surprise enough
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snarfed uh hopefully not given that rsvp!
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mblaney What is indiepay.me?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indiepay.me" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "indiepay.me is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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mblaney indiepay.me is a website that tracks distributed payment posts via webmention.
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /indiepay.me (+105) "prompted by mblaney and dfn added by mblaney" (view diff)
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GWG All I have to do is meet KevinMarks in person and I have completed my Indieweb bingo card
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GWG I also need a project to unveil
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www.boffosocko.com edited /indiepay.me (+145) "links; see also" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] I'm not coming to the summit this year. We'll have to find another occasion
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[tantek] Kevinmarks, remote participation?
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[kevinmarks] I'll do my best, yes.
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Zegnat Hmm. Should revoking tokens be protected against timing attacks or is it fine to keep that logic as simple as possible?
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@huffduffer An Indieweb Podcast: Episode 4 "Webmentions and Privacy" https://huffduffer.com/kwlblt/476431 (twitter.com/_/status/994898174346186752)
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danq.me created /Geocaching.com (+469) "Created page with "[[Category:silo]] {{stub}} '''<dfn>[https://www.geocaching.com/ Geocaching.com]</dfn>''' is a the dominant website for participants of [[geocaching]] (GPS treasure hunting);..."" (view diff)
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@bradenslen I think my Bridgy https://brid.gy/ experiment is failing. Oh well, I’m not out anything. I’m guessing my MB theme does not support webmentions or I’ve done something wrong in connecting. Probably the later. (twitter.com/_/status/994948842960322560)
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aaronpk !tell tantek looks like one of your reply contexts is missing from your home page still, for new github issues
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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skippy aaronpk: is it possible to delete or remove a server endpoint from micropub.rocks ?
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aaronpk i don't think there's a UI for it but i can delete it manually if you want
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skippy https://micropub.rocks/server-tests?endpoint=188 and https://micropub.rocks/server-tests?endpoint=195 are both invalid, from prior testing efforts.
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skippy they display as "skippy.is" but point to skpy.org.
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skippy if you can kill them, that would be convenient for me. but don't bother if it's a hassle.
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skippy aaronpk: is micropub.rocks stripping the trailing slash from the URL I supplied for my identity? it looks like it is; and my micropub endpoint is failing the "me" check because it's not there.
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aaronpk hrm i didn't think so
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skippy https://gist.github.com/skpy/3726baacea00649e23e353d02f92991f
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skippy the array is what i get back; and the final string is what I'm matchign against
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skippy quite possibly my own problem; still looking
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aaronpk that's something on your token endpoint end, since micropub.rocks can't tell you who the token is for since it just uses the token that it was given
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skippy i'm using tokens.indieauth.com/token ...
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skippy so maybe that's stripping a trailing slash?
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Zegnat Or it is getting it without trailing slash from your authorization endpoint
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skippy or that.
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aaronpk tokens.indieauth.com uses whatever the authorization endpoint says
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skippy eyeballs selfauth
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Zegnat Selfauth uses whatever you have put in its config file ;)
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skippy yup. No trailing slash there. Silly me.
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skippy Sorry to harrass you all. Thanks for the help, as always!
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aaronpk haha
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Zegnat Run down the entire tech stack, get to a forgotten character in a config file. Hahaha
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Loqi awesome
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Zegnat That actually happens all the time
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snarfed see this is why i'm not scared of AI
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aaronpk 😂
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skippy Zegnat: https://github.com/skpy/micropub/pull/4 cribbed much of your code. suppose i should ensure license compliance...
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Loqi [skpy] #4 Support variable token endpoint; JSON responses
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Zegnat I am pretty sure all of nanopub is BSD0? Consider any code I wrote on nanopub to be the same.
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Zegnat Ha, and you seem to still use the nanopub LICENSE file, including the name nanopub in there, skippy
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skippy whoops!
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Zegnat So you are probably complying by default
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skippy hahaha. good catch
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Zegnat Alright, the idea for my tokens going forward, I *think* this solves both timing attacks and plain text storage issues: https://github.com/Zegnat/php-mintoken/wiki/Token-design
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skippy next up to try: mintoken.
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Zegnat Cool, let me know how that goes skippy! Setup is purposefully oblique because I want to have people think about security... There is an issue for collecting ideas to clean up the README though!
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skippy of course! I need to get SQLite into my PHP container, first, though. And I might take this time to switch to docker-compose, so PHP starts after MariaDB... such yak shaving. very busywork. (doge)
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Zegnat He, yeah, I am not working on making Mintoken db agnostic yet, else you might have been able to use a different storage solution. That’s a project for ... Monday probably, haha
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skippy just create a flat file .... in my doc root ... world readable...
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Zegnat slaps skippy around a bit with a large salmon
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Zegnat Actually, I think someone made a PDO driver that uses the filesystem. So if you really wanted to, you could get Mintoken to function on files. If you were really determined...
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tantek.com edited /reply-context (+74) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ in-stream since 2018-05-02" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /reply-context-examples (+98) "/* Tantek */ In-stream reply-contexts, screenshots needed" (view diff)
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skippy PDO for MySQL and SQLite are pretty close. I think it's when you try to support PGSQL that things get weird. Or at least, that was my last experience, years ago when I last did any PHP PDO work.
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Zegnat pgsql should also Just Work. You just need to be careful your SQLs are cross-db compatible.
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aaronpk it's just if you start writing actual SQL that things kind of don't work between MySQL/PGSQL, because the quote marks work differently
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skippy you're not creating the DB
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Zegnat There are no quote marks in any of the SQLs Mintoken runs, aaronpk, hehe
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aaronpk nice
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Zegnat skippy, was that aimed at me? Mintoken does not create anything, no, because it can’t know what a secure location is to put the SQLite. Should it go 1 dir up? 2? Do you have a separate folder for inaccessible files? Up to you where you put it.
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skippy Zegnat: right; i understand. but also the "create db" semantics are different between MySQL and PGSQL. So if you're not trying to create the DB in your code, you can be a little more flexible with what you support.
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Zegnat Aah, that’s what you meant, sorry!
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Zegnat True. I only supply an SQL file for creating the tables. Which I will look at later (monday?) and see if it can be standard SQL92 or something.
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sebsel This is so nice. Just grabbed Laravel, Vue and Bulma, and within one hour of fiddling I have a working reader interface with Microsub.
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sebsel aaronpk++ for Microsub and Aperture :)
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Loqi aaronpk has 142 karma in this channel (1633 overall)
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aaronpk wow nice
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aaronpk you should screencast that!
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Loqi totally
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GWG aaronpk, by the way, any surprises planned for IWS?
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aaronpk surprises?
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GWG tantek is working on his itches to achieve pre IWS
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sebsel aaronpk Oh, that would be nice.
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GWG He asked me
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GWG I thought I would start asking
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aaronpk i do have one surprise i'm planning on if i can find the time
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GWG Ditto
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GWG Time wise
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GWG I really want to wrap up my pause this weekend
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[cleverdevil] I've booked my travel for IWS 😄
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[cleverdevil] Bringing the whole family this time!
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[cleverdevil] (Well, to PDX, not to IWS, haha).
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aaronpk yaaayyy
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GWG cleverdevil.. will be glad to see you again
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[cleverdevil] \o/
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@madebydusk Anyone have experience integrating @CraftCMS with http://micro.blog ? Also maybe webmentions? (twitter.com/_/status/994995855034855431)
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skippy anyone here using selfoss?
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aaronpk i used to
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skippy before Monocle / Aperture? Did you like it?
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aaronpk i wrote a microformats parser for it
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skippy looks like it has a "sprout" for Twitter. interesting.
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aaronpk ultimately i gave up on it for the same reason that all readers failed, lack of being able to interact with the content
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ I think @m_ott has experience (and a plugin) with the webmention portion: https://indieweb.org/Craft The http://micro.blog portion should hopefully be as simple as inputting an RSS/JSON or other feed. @manton2 may possibly know of others. (twitter.com/_/status/994997416851050497)
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skippy Hrm. alltogethernow.io is telling me "🤷‍ Nothing to show
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skippy Maybe you need to subscribe to a site or select a different channel
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skippy no, that snot what it was telling me ...
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skippy Could not log in: Could not parse all required endpoints from your site
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skippy thats what it was tellng me.
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skippy oh because i need a microsub endpoint, dont i?
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aaronpk hehe yeah it can't do much without that
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skippy https://indieweb.org/Microsub doesnt tell me how to add one, that I can see.
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skippy ah https://indieweb.org/Microsub-spec#Discovery
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aaronpk that would be a good section to add to /Microsub :)
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skippy what is the most stable microsub server, at this point?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "most stable microsub server, at this point" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "most stable microsub server, at this point is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk Aperture is pretty stable now. I might updated the readme to reflect that.
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aaronpk tho I still don't want to be responsible for tech support on it yet :)
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@m_ott ↩️ Yes, I wrote a Webmention plugin for @CraftCMS (https://github.com/matthiasott/webmention). It’s not yet ready for Craft 3, though. :/ Regarding http://micro.blog, you can use the Element API plugin to generate a JSON feed. I wrote a note about this last year: https://matthiasott.com/notes/adding-json-feed-to-my-craft-cms-site (twitter.com/_/status/995001146602377216)
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skippy Let me see if I have this right: Aperture is a server-side solution I'd host, and I'd use artisan to create my account there. Then I use something like Together to connect to that. Do I use Together to tell Aperture tht I want to subscribe to new feeds?
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aaronpk yep exactly
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aaronpk aperture also has a minimal UI to add and remove feeds
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skippy oh, Aperture needs Redis?
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skippy oh, I guess I misread. It supports Redis, but can use filesystem.
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aaronpk it's a Laravel app so you should be able to use most of the config options that Laravel provides for the queues and things
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@dasnuf Es gibt tatsächlich EINEN Artikel zur Frage #DSGVO und #Indieweb Fazit: Es ist kompliziert - https://sebastiangreger.net/2018/05/indieweb-privacy-challenge-webmentions-backfeeds-gdpr/ (twitter.com/_/status/995028065867698176)
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@madebydusk ↩️ Holy smokes all, thanks for the fast input, got something to chew over the weekend. Will keep my eyes peeled for Craft 3 webmentions as I’m working through porting my site over from 2 to 3 (twitter.com/_/status/995033618702589953)
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tantek_ ^^^ chrisaldrich that tweet thread though 😂😂😂
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Loqi tantek_: aaronpk left you a message 6 hours, 21 minutes ago: looks like one of your reply contexts is missing from your home page still, for new github issues
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gRegorLove jacky, I see the <data> on your rsvp now, but the value is set to "true". It should be "yes"
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gRegorLove Once that's updated and the webmention re-sent, your rsvp should appear on 2018.indieweb.org
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jacky got it
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jacky Jekyll/Liquid is pretty pedantic about values, had to "quote" it
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[kevinmarks] [snarfed] it's ai plus adversarial fuzzers that worry me
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[cleverdevil] Is there a "standard" way to publish content that is "private" using micropub?
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jacky I was always curious about that [cleverdevil]
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jacky I think there's something within activitypub that allows for an audience definition
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, Known supports the concept of "access" -> https://github.com/idno/Known/blob/master/Idno/Common/Entity.php#L1027
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[cleverdevil] Its not exposed via Micropub (though it would be trivial to add).
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GWG cleverdevil, yes there is
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GWG https://indieweb.org/Micropub-extensions#Post_Status
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aaronpk visibility: https://indieweb.org/Micropub-extensions#Visibility
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aaronpk post status is meant to be used for published vs draft where the draft post will later be published
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ It depends on what data you want back into Craft. Most just want the replies/comments. http://Micro.blog does this via webmentions, thus the reason for having the webmention plugin set up to collect those replies. (twitter.com/_/status/995084654989455361)
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@noahread ↩️ Yeah, the webmention plugins I’ve used are a bit buggy, but you can usually get it to work. (twitter.com/_/status/995084990034661376)
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[cleverdevil] Perfect.
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[cleverdevil] Thanks guys!
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[cleverdevil] I may add this to Known for a little project I am working on...
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