#dev 2018-06-11

2018-06-11 UTC
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gregorlove.com edited /token_revocation (+107) "/* Clients */ second!" (view diff)
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aaronpk nice
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gRegorLove Though I'm planning to move to session-based tokens. Still will revoke them on signout
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aaronpk even better
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Should this line set the 'me' from the $token array instead of $params? https://github.com/aaronpk/Teacup/blob/master/controllers/auth.php#L284 compare with line 264
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aaronpk shoot yes, I must not have updated teacup when I fixed that on all my others
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aaronpk teacup is not the best example of a client right now, it's got a bunch of out of date stuff
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gRegorLove I thought so. I did upgrade some minor stuff as I was going through it
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gRegorLove Checking against Quill too
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aaronpk and check ownyourswarm, I think that one is the most recent
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aaronpk I think i've been moving most of that logic into the IndieAuth\Client library. but quill still does it manually so that it can give you more debugging info along the way
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gRegorLove I did update indieauth-client during development to use its normalizeMeURL() instead of the local one
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aaronpk ah cool
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Drupal (+263) "/* Articles */ Roy Scholten article Implementing IndieWeb on your personal Drupal site, part 1" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Is it ok if some token endpoints return scope=post when we requested scope=create? Is that a backcompat thing?
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aaronpk gRegorLove: yeah sounds like a token endpoint that is not updated. Tho also in practice it is not impossible for the token to be issued with different scopes than what you requested for a variety of reasons.
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gRegorLove Should the client do anything special if it's different?
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gRegorLove woo, session-based tokens working.
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gRegorLove Code was already storing them in $_SESSION so pretty easy
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aaronpk Probably not. I'd say at most it should warn the user that the scope granted was different than requested, but the user may have a site that uses different scopes, or may have granted it only read scope intentionally and won't be surprised when a post fails
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gregorlove.com edited /indiebookclub (-34) "/* Issues */ resolved, link to github for future issues" (view diff)
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GWG snarfed: I was just writing about you
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swentel GWG, had any luck figuring out the new code ?
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Gitaly (+10) "more precise dfn of gitaly. why does this have an article of it's own?" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas !tell sknebel Because Loqi makes things fricrtion free?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jgmac1106 [gRegorLove] thanks for pointing [cjwillcocks] to the mf2 FAQs about CSS, mf2, and styling. Get the question a lot. Maybe worth a more expanded artilce that covers best practices when using CSS and mf2
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GWG !tell swentel Got it working
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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swentel aha, cool :)
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GWG swentel, if you share to the app, how do you know which account it goes to with multiple ones?
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swentel GWG, currently it selects the account that was last selected
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swentel you can switch accounts through the menu in the top left
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swentel but I think I need to change this a bit when sharing
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GWG swentel, that could lead to mistakes
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swentel yeah, I know
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swentel not sure what the best thing is here
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swentel 1) ask which account to use before going to the share screen
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swentel 2) allow switching before doing the actual post
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GWG swentel, either prompt or set a default for sharing?
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swentel I personally prefer one, a prompt first (easier so the syndication targets are set right)
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swentel and oh yes
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swentel a default one for sharing
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swentel good idea
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swentel how exactly does it work in the ios version ? I don't have a test device anymore :/
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GWG No idea, I have never had an iOS device
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swentel hehe
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swentel so yeah, a default one to share is a really good idea, especially since I allow for 'direct posts' when you share
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[eddie] swentel: for the iOS version, you can set a “default account” in the main app settings. When sharing, underneath the options for responses (like, reply, etc), there is a button with the current active account name and if you click on it you can change which account you post to. This change is a temporary change for that share action. Next time the Share Sheet comes up it returns to the default account
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Zegnat jgmac1106: I just pushed some updates to the citation machine. @BOOK and @INBOOK should now generate things in APA format :D
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aaronpk Unintended side effect of running a DNS based ad blocker at my house. Google AMP results almost entirely load just a white page. I think the AMP ad JS is being blocked and then the google AMP rendered freaks out and gives up instead of a normal browser which would stilll show you something
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aaronpk AMP--
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Loqi amp has -1 karma
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cweiske no ads -> no content
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cweiske sounds like a business model
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aaronpk heh
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sknebel at least some even have a stupid fallback where they start hidden and then become visible after 10 seconds or so...
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Loqi sknebel: jeremycherfas left you a message 4 hours, 4 minutes ago: Because Loqi makes things fricrtion free?
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sknebel heh, probably
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jgmac1106 [zegnat] testing in the wild and I can barely find BibTex citation that uses @book or @inbook they all mislabel book as journal
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Zegnat Guess even BibTeX users don’t know the different types available. Haha
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jgmac1106 it is part bc we are using the way Google scrapes citations from the web and these are often done using human typed citations on different vitas, publication pages, etc, lot of garbage
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jeremycherfas Why don't you look at the citations available direct from publishers?
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jeremycherfas GScholar is not reliable for the reasons you give.
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jgmac1106 Still happy to keep working on the project for your portfolio but it seems the approach we took would require as much manipulation to get APA correctly from Google Scholar that typing it may be easier. Is an idea [jeremycherfas]
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jgmac1106 also getting some feedback that mf2 and academic citations just shouldn’t be combined at all
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Zegnat Figure out how to publish in HTML before figuring out mf2. Although it isn’t really hard to add h-cite, as I have showed
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Zegnat *shown
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jgmac1106 you woudl think [zegnat] that some combination of “how to correctly write apa citation in html” would show me somebody who already did this, but it didn’t will make the plain html for each ciation type
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Zegnat It might be better to build something that gives people a form then, to generate HTML. As an extra it could have a textarea to input BibTeX into if they have it.
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jgmac1106 I wonder if we could fork this or even get another contributor: http://antiquity.jamie.ly/tags/citethis/
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skippy good morning.
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jgmac1106 but its json not php
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Loqi morning!
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jgmac1106 could use a bunch of the javascrpit…but gets back to just writing the html, still can’t believe I can’t find examples
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jgmac1106 https://github.com/phpforfree/citationbuilder/tree/master/templates
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jgmac1106 https://github.com/phpforfree/citationbuilder
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Loqi [phpforfree] citationbuilder: Citation Builder is a web-based tool designed to quickly and easily generate citations for sources consulted during the research process. While powerful tools such as RefWorks, Zotero, and Endnote exist to generate citations, understanding how to use these tools can require an investment of time. Citation Builder is an attempt to provide a low-barrier method for users to generate citations for commonly consulted source media in either APA (American Psychological Association) or MLA (Modern Language Association) formats.
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Zegnat “Educational Community License” ..?
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Zegnat That Citation Builder does look good. I guess you can just use that, jgmac1106
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jgmac1106 happy to keep working with you if it is about building up your portfolio
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jgmac1106 I am also thinking once I get this https://github.com/jgmac1106/coursetemplate and this https://github.com/jgmac1106/mf2syllabus fixed could build a UI layer that acts as an mf2 course builder, that is the ultimate goal, citation builder was just first piece we decided to tackle
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Zegnat Reproducing someone else’s work, that is probably more complete already, isn’t very giving. Ha!
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Loqi [jgmac1106] coursetemplate: A blank course templates with microformats2 mark up
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Zegnat But if you have some concrete plans that just need someone to come in with programming time, hit me up :)
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jgmac1106 I do, and hoping for a demo at IndieWeb Summit for progress, and then want to use it as a test case when I teach a class in July where people will remix the template. I was going to just try and have them use my Glitch account and remix in plain html but watching you crank out greg-cites and the little bit of javscript I know makes a builder seem quite doable, not by summit, want correct html templates ready for that that is
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jgmac1106 goal
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jgmac1106 need to find someone to also look at my css grid errors, did lots wrong there, but that can be fixed after html proper
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loqi.me created /Doodle (+133) "prompted by jeremycherfas and dfn added by jeremycherfas" (view diff)
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jgmac1106 and hiring managers are silly, I think watching somebody interact and develop an existing open source projects, or copyrighted code not hidden in private repos, should be just as important as personal portfolios of self developed projects
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loqi.me edited /Doodle (+38) "jeremycherfas added "https://doodle.com" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Zegnat Yeah. I just need to crank out my actual public code output for that to work, jgmac1106. “Countless hours of discussion on issues and specifications” doesn’t get me hired anywhere ;)
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jgmac1106 ha ha
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jgmac1106 We will talk on Wed and develop plan to scratch everyone’s itches
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skippy https://twitter.com/bphogan/status/1004192832796667907
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@bphogan Software dev is 20% code and 80% people. Yet this industry pushes coding. We create code “bootcamps” , create “everyone should code” startups, crap on “soft skills” or anything that isn’t typing code, divide on “tech” and “non-tech”. Code is 20%. And I’m being generous. (twitter.com/_/status/1004192832796667907)
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@schmarty Panic at the GitHub, IndieAuth clarifications, and Bridgy's farewell to Facebook. Also, I have a cold. It's your ~ 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for June 2nd - 8th, 2018. https://martymcgui.re/2018/06/11/114427/ (twitter.com/_/status/1006201257378373632)
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jgmac1106 [tantek] did have a question on the bare requirements sction of the h-entry page ” name (can be implied) “ and best practice beyond bare requirements “name - for explicitly named/titled entries. Otherwise the entry is assumed to be a "title-less" note (like a tweet). “ Some may find it confusing
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gRegorLove jgmac1106, there's a couple posts linked on the FAQ: http://microformats.org/2005/10/19/more-than-styling and http://tantek.com/log/2002/12.html#L20021216t2238 are good for the question about class attribute and CSS.
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Loqi [Ryan] Class attributes are about more than styling
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gRegorLove schmarty++ Panic at the Github, haha
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Loqi schmarty has 14 karma in this channel (88 overall)
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jgmac1106 thx [gRegorLove}
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jgmac1106 oops
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@keithjgrant @adactio I think my webmention to you went a little crazy. My whole post showed up as a reply on your site. Not intended! https://adactio.com/journal/13831 (twitter.com/_/status/1006216615229382656)
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tantek wow that's hilarious
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tantek grantcodes: comment is much longer than the original post 😂
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tantek maybe adactio wants it that way? or maybe he'll decide to implement an ellipsing algo
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tantek that definitely belongs as some sort of example in /comments
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tantek or /comments-display
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tantek.com created /Zegnat (+39) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /sknebel (+36) "r" (view diff)
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Zegnat We are so famous are usernames need dedicated pages?
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tantek just easier to link you that way
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tantek redirects anyway
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snarfed !tell cleverdevil hey, looks like you're subscribed to your instagram feed via granary with cache=false in the URL. mind removing that? aperture fetches it every 60s or so, and it's a nontrivial chunk of granary's current load. TIA!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek wow ouch
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snarfed yeah those requests take ~4-20s when instagram isn't rate limiting granary. concurrent, much of it is network i/o blocked, but still
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snarfed !tell cleverdevil (to clarify, just remove cache=false. definitely feel free to keep the subscription itself!)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk haha wow
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aaronpk hm my granary instagram hasn't been updating at all
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aaronpk checking out that URL manually i'm getting an http 401
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aaronpk does that mean I need to give it a new cookie?
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aaronpk lol how do I copy a cookie out of the browser now? It seems to only copypaste the first few chars
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[grantcodes] tantek: not my webmention, that was [keithjgrant]
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aaronpk oh there's a different chrome tab for that
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tantek oops yeah - sorry grantcodes :)
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[keithjgrant] Yeah, he's Grantcodes, I'm Keith Grant, WM sent to Jeremy Keith. Not confusing at all.
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aaronpk 😂
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[cleverdevil] [snarfed] I'm on the case!
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Loqi [cleverdevil]: snarfed left you a message 35 minutes ago: hey, looks like you're subscribed to your instagram feed via granary with cache=false in the URL. mind removing that? aperture fetches it every 60s or so, and it's a nontrivial chunk of granary's current load. TIA!
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Loqi [cleverdevil]: snarfed left you a message 31 minutes ago: (to clarify, just remove cache=false. definitely feel free to keep the subscription itself!)
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tantek so what you're saying is, Jeremy Keith got a webmention from Keith J Grant, not Grantcodes. Got it. I think.
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[cleverdevil] [snarfed] in Aperture, I am not showing a URL with &cache=false
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[cleverdevil] I'll delete and re-add just in case.
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snarfed [cleverdevil]: huh! odd. thanks!
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snarfed aaronpk: watchtower is fetching this url...does it keep polling urls even after subscribers have unsubscribed? any other ideas?
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snarfed not a big deal, just curious
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tantek websub hub caching problem?
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aaronpk snarfed: watchtower should delete the URL after the last subscriber in aperture removes it
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snarfed huh ok, odd then
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aaronpk I do see cleverdevil's URL there tho
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snarfed probably a different one. this one doesn't have his username. path is /instagram/@me/@friends/@app/?format=html&cookie=...
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aaronpk yeah that's the one I found
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aaronpk also that is a very short cooke...
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snarfed yes!
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aaronpk hmm this is weird, there are no subscribers of that URL left, so it shouldn't be fetching it anymore
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aaronpk I wondre how that happened
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aaronpk okay, pushed a fix to only check feeds if there are active subscribers
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aaronpk that seems like a good safety check for watchtower to do
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tantek aaronpk, worthy of writing up in /WebSub as implementer guidance?
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tantek for hubs?
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aaronpk eh maybe? seems pretty obvious in retrospect
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aaronpk this was more of a mistake in my implementation, cause I thought it was already doing that
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snarfed thanks aaronpk!
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jgmac1106 I am assumming there is no way to use an h-event spread across a grid in table like presentation: https://github.com/jgmac1106/mf2syllabus/blob/master/index.html
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jgmac1106 I would need to rethink my design so each h-event (want to add due date) would be in one grid cell?
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gRegorLove jgmac1106, Not sure I follow -- is there a live version of that page I can see? Generally there shouldn't be restrictions on layout with microformat usage, unless you're styling based on the mf class names, which is recommended against
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grant.codes edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+668) "/* Query for post list */ Improve use cases, query parameters, other considerations and IndieWeb examples sub sections" (view diff)
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