#dev 2018-06-17

2018-06-17 UTC
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aaronpk Oh good question
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Loqi aaronpk: [eddie] left you a message 2 hours, 34 minutes ago: I’m working hard on trying to get Indigenous out in time for IWS. I know for SURE I’ll at least have a “Pre-Order” button with a page with screenshots done, but I’m still trying to get the full thing ready for download before. Just to help me set my own expectations, do you think Aperture will/would be able to have a public opening by then, or does that not look possible anymore? That will help influence my choices of wh
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aaronpk [eddie] tell you what, I'll give that a shot tomorrow, I'd enjoy spending a day on a coding project anyway. If I can't get the functional bits done tomorrow then I probably won't have any more time anyway
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[eddie] !tell aaronpk sounds good 👌
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk 👍
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aaronpk now I have a fun project for the morning
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[eddie] Haha that’s always nice to have 😁
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb I reckon I will mostly be in this channel today.
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davy__ Hey, I have a quick question. How do you do paginating? The posts on my website are loaded with php, so I just set something up where it only puts eight posts per page, and if there're more then that I put a little radio form at the bottom of the page for page selection. I also have a "Load all pages" button. Is there a way to make this more parser friendly, or is it ok as it is?
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davy__ The radio form uses GET as it's method: so when you click "2" it reloads the page with "?page=2" in the url. The page knows to load the second eight posts, then.
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davy__ Here it is in action: https://davy.tyrrell.co/
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jeremycherfas !tell zegnat Some time ago you recommended a tool for visualising git branches etc. I failed to make a note of it. Can you please remind me?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, I use http://gitup.co/, so that’s probably what I showed you
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Loqi Zegnat: jeremycherfas left you a message 22 minutes ago: Some time ago you recommended a tool for visualising git branches etc. I failed to make a note of it. Can you please remind me?
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Zegnat davy__, I don’t think any search engine or other crawler is going to submit forms, so that pagination is probably completely inaccessible tot hem
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Zegnat I’d recommend just using normal links for the pages. Shouldn’t really be harder to generate than a form. Some ideas for designs: http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/pager.htm
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Loqi [Christian Weiske] A good pager
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jeremycherfas Thanks zegnat; that's it!
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jeremycherfas And I got my little chunk of dgold's nanopub writing to the correct place with $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'] in the end.
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Zegnat Nice!
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dgold oh, excellent, good to hear, jeremycherfas
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jeremycherfas Many more miles to go.
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[grantcodes] !tell [cleverdevil] As in the auth redirect? I'm not surprised it opens up safari but then it should either reopen the pwa on redirect. Or redirect back to together in safari but store stuff in localstorage so the pwa would work after that
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[grantcodes] Can confirm it still works as expected on Android
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davy__ Zegnat, yes, that sounds sensible, thank you. I'll try figure out away of doing it with regular links.
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sketchess good morning tech corner
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jeremycherfas Good morning sketchess
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sketchess Productive day today, jeremycherfas?
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jeremycherfas Yes! Just writing it up. After a disastrous yesterday. Well, lots of learning, so not a disaster. But not productive.
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sketchess Yeah, puzzle solving is not ever easy. Making slow pogress myself.
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sketchess My final conclusion: I have to learn, how to draw with CSS. The rest are basic tags, so that shouldn't be any trouble.
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jeremycherfas Kevinmarks (i think) linked to something interesting about turning sketches into CSS, Or using CSS to make sketchy things.
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sketchess Pure CSS used?
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jeremycherfas Can't honestly remember, as it was something I just glanced at.
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sketchess And the skill level required would be informative, too.
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sketchess Ah, I see.
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jeremycherfas Interesting enough to remember, not useful enough to me to do more than that.
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sketchess I reckon that I will have to search through several tutorials to find something that suits my needs.
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sketchess or the one of all tutorials....
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sketchess Well, Pia is worth it.
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jeremycherfas Pia?
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sketchess Yep. She is my assistent I am currently working on.
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[kevinmarks] Depends what you are drawing. If it's boxes inside each other, css grid or flex box are easier now. If it's more complex shapes , svg is a better tool
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sketchess As you said Kevin, it depends on. Currently I believe CSS would be the better option. But who knows, time will tell.
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sketchess Possible that I could end up with a combination of both.
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sketchess It's just a smal squared area anyway.
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sketchess +l
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sketchess I go with simple as possible.
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sketchess Designing her voice will be a tuffer part, I believe.^^
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aaronpk !tell cleverdevil,grantcodes how sad will you be if I delete a bunch of your old data from Aperture? I'm prepping for launch and planning on only holding on to the last 7 days of posts
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas !tell chrisaldrich I noticed that Telegraph was unable to send a webmention from https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/this-is-my-indieweb to https://boffosocko.com/2018/06/15/defining-the-indieweb/ Error is 401 "The webmention endpoint did not return a status URL"
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas Sent again and this time it worked.
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Zegnat Learning lots of new things today for a little thing I would like to demo at IWS. Learning new things is fun, but always so slow going
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jeremycherfas Amen to that ^.
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sketchess xD
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sketchess Have a nice day everyone.
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sketchess bye
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Zegnat Have a good one sketchess
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[cleverdevil] Delete away, [aaronpk] !
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Loqi [cleverdevil]: aaronpk left you a message 50 minutes ago: how sad will you be if I delete a bunch of your old data from Aperture? I'm prepping for launch and planning on only holding on to the last 7 days of posts
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petermolnar seems like I broke my no-js attitude; I added a style switched and a self hosted analytics. None of those will work for Zegnat obviously, but I'm curious if there is a way to trigger a stylesheet change without JS.
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petermolnar the current one switched media=none to media=all on an extra stylesheet that overrules previous definitons
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snarfed morning all!
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Zegnat petermolnar, don’t think that is possible without JS.
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aaronpk [eddie] looks like I got most of what I needed to get done for Aperture, so I'm optimistic about opening up signups
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aaronpk I need to test it with a copy of the live site data first, and then work on some home page copy to explain a bit more about what it is
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GWG I am reading through my issues to see what I can close easily
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dgold aaronpk: oooh! I'd love an option to restrict my apertureDb to 7 days
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aaronpk Oh yea?
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dgold it would be super... (please don't say you already did this in a recent release and I missed the announce)
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aaronpk I just finished writing essentially a cleanup task that you can run on a cron job that deletes everything older than the threshold
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dgold hurrah!
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aaronpk I made it so each user account can set the threshold differently
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aaronpk Or disable it to keep everything forever
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aaronpk I might also add it per channel but that's gonna be a lot more UI work so I'll punt on that for now
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dgold that sounds eminently wise
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davy__ petermolnar how do you feel about php? You could change the stylesheet with a form button.
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davy__ I'm quite fond of php because it means the end product which is landing in the users browser is still just straightforward html/css
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petermolnar davy__: that's not a bad idea, although I'm trying to keep the site static
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petermolnar unfortunately I already have a php fallback
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petermolnar which handles 410 and some "clever" - aka legacy - redirects
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petermolnar 410 as in gone content
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petermolnar also, my css in inlined
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petermolnar on the other hand, I could set a cookie with the php, remember the sent form setting and serve the css, but I think that onclick + 5 lines inline JS is ok for this functionality.
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davy__ Yeah, You're probably grand doing that. I've broken my own no-js rule and I had to downgrade it to "no-vital-js".
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davy__ So long as someone without javascript enabled can still use the site easily, I'm happy.
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petermolnar the change colour schema certainly falls under the definitely not vital feature
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petermolnar and again, it's inline js
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KartikPrabhu petermolnar: the new CSS custom properties are great for theme changing https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/--*
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Zegnat Those still depend on being able to somehow switch the values out though.
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petermolnar experimental mozilla, that's way too new for my taste
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KartikPrabhu Zegnat: yes it does use JS to swtich out the values
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petermolnar in that case, there's no win there compared to my approach
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KartikPrabhu petermolnar: it is not mozilla specific. but yes those are very new CSS things
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Zegnat I’ve used them, in combination with http://cssnext.io/ to generate normal CSS.
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KartikPrabhu petermolnar: the "win" is that you only need to change values in one place
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Zegnat Makes it easy to stick to a colour scheme
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KartikPrabhu right
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Zegnat I specifically used that syntax and not some less/sass CSS features, because this may become actual browser-supported CSS.
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KartikPrabhu Zegnat: less/sass stuff is still useful if you don't need to dynamically change the theme
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petermolnar I've not made up my stand on css vars yet
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petermolnar part of me likes templating and vars
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petermolnar another parts screams to keep css static
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KartikPrabhu the point is with custom properties you can do both
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Zegnat KartikPrabhu, sure, but a lot of the things I actually want (nested declarations, variables) are supported by cssnext.io in a way that matches actual CSS specs (e.g. https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-nesting/ for nested declarations)
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KartikPrabhu if you decide to remove the JS theme changing the rest will still work
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Loqi [Tab Atkins] CSS Nesting Module Level 3
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KartikPrabhu Zegnat: sure I am not saying one is the superior method. You use what works for you :)
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schmarty eddie++ and a dozen more +1s for Indigenous login fully resolving "mmg.re" to "https://martymcgui.re/" !!
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Loqi eddie has 34 karma in this channel (59 overall)
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petermolnar.net edited /500px (+776) "adding api lockdown" (view diff)
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Zegnat Truly web 1.0: https://github.com/jfmcbrayer/brutaldon
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Loqi [jfmcbrayer] brutaldon: A brutalist web interface for Mastodon
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petermolnar ugly != brutalist
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petermolnar brutalism is not, in any form, simple, or ugly, despite what people think about it
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petermolnar I find brutalist architecture very interesting and surprisingly futureproof
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petermolnar although the material itself - concrete - is not that good with time
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Zegnat I am not sure it is meant to be ugly, rather, it is meant to work in things like Lynx.
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Zegnat But I agree
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KartikPrabhu you only need nice HTML markup to work in Lynx afaik
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martymcgui.re edited /Special:Log/patrol () "marked revision 48636 of [[Wordpress IndieAuth Plugin]] patrolled" (view diff)
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schmarty ugh, i mis-clicked on that page and now i don't know how to *un*-patrol the page. :/
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schmarty i guess i don't need to? i don't think i understood the feature but i guess it just means that somebody w/ proper access level looked at and approved a given change.
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GWG I'm curious. What is the opposite of a salmention?
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KartikPrabhu GWG: what do you mean "opposite" ?
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GWG Downstream as opposed to upstream?
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KartikPrabhu what's the use-case for that?
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GWG Both chrisaldrich and I public the same podcast
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KartikPrabhu and... ?
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KartikPrabhu not sure how that is "dowstream"
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GWG We want to share mentions
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KartikPrabhu so the podcast does not have a canonical URL
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GWG We decided mine was
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KartikPrabhu sure. but how would anyone sending mentions know that
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GWG That's what I'm pondering
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KartikPrabhu also if someone is sending mention to chris' URL then it would be misleading for those to show up at your URL
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GWG Even if his is a repost?
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KartikPrabhu if it is a repost then it is a salmention
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[jgmac1106] Need a podcast player with native webmentions. I will probably never go back to the url now that I subscribe in my player
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Loqi [jgmac1106]: gRegorLove left you a message 1 day, 3 hours ago: indiebookclub has an option for DOI Name now. Try it out and let me know what you think.
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KartikPrabhu sounds like a job for /reader