#dev 2018-06-18

2018-06-18 UTC
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GWG gRegorLove: I'm now getting Missing Session State on Indiebookclub.
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tantek__ !tell schmarty in the p
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek__ oops
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tantek__ !untell schmarty
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tantek__ darn
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gRegorLove GWG: Can you try the signout link and try signing in again? https://indiebookclub.biz/signout
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Loqi indiebookclub
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gRegorLove I did make some changes to session management over the weekend, so hoping that does it. Jack reported similar. I'll look into it more tomorrow.
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[eddie] jgmac1106: What do you want a podcast player to do? You mention webmention but I’m confused what role that would play. Do you mean Micropub for listen posts or something else?
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[eddie] !tell schmarty Thanks 😁 Happy to hear that worked!!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] !tell aaronpk awesome! That’s great to hear! When logging in to Microsub, I’ll probably have a section underneath the login that contains a link to sign up for Aperture (which would open the Aperture landing page or whatever page you put the explanation on in the web browser)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] It’ll put primary emphasis on logging in but it’ll provide a path for someone that doesn’t have Microsub yet
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cweiske .
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Loqi cweiske: jeremycherfas left you a message 1 day, 20 hours ago: Not seeing how to specify which server when I post a note from shpub
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cweiske jeremycherfas, shpub -s $servername
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Zegnat cweiske, we got there in the end :) There was a bit of a problem where verbose `shpub server` does not show mp endpoint urls (which ended up being wrong) and there didn’t seem a way to empty cache from the app?
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Zegnat (Or I didn’t find the right command to purge cache.)
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cweiske you can say "shpub server $servername"
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cweiske that shows the details for a single server
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cweiske http://p.cweiske.de/576
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cweiske which is different than "shpub server --verbose"
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cweiske which is probably confusing
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Zegnat Huh. I thought that would have required --verbose. Woops
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jgmac1106_ !tell eddie the conversation came up between [gwg] and [chrisaldrich] who both publish the same podcast on their sites but consider Dave canonical. They wanted to gather webmentions from both but this got me thinking once I subscribed I will probably never go back to the posts. If there was a podcast player that was also a micropub client where I could post a listen-to or a review that would be neat
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG !tell gregorlove Still getting Missing Session State
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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schmarty GWG: I had to clear my cookies for indiebookclub.biz to get things working after gRegorLove switched the session storage mechanism
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Loqi schmarty: tantek__ left you a message 8 hours, 1 minute ago: in the p
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Loqi schmarty: [eddie] left you a message 7 hours, 13 minutes ago: Thanks 😁 Happy to hear that worked!!
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aaronpk good morning!
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Loqi aaronpk: [eddie] left you a message 7 hours, 24 minutes ago: awesome! That’s great to hear! When logging in to Microsub, I’ll probably have a section underneath the login that contains a link to sign up for Aperture (which would open the Aperture landing page or whatever page you put the explanation on in the web browser)
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Loqi greetings human
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swentel oh, is aperture open now ?
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aaronpk very close
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aaronpk i'm running some tests locally to make sure this 7-day cleanup works
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swentel ok cool
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aaronpk gotta fix watchtower for real too
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aaronpk ahhhh figured it out. sometimes I wish SQL would prevent this mistake
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swentel yeah, I hope that I can debug it soon
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swentel my site keeps not updating :)
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aaronpk I always forget that when you add a join table to a query, that table's columns get returned too. and then in the ORM, "id" will refer to only the second table
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aaronpk that should be fixed now :)
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Zegnat That feels more like an ORM issue than an SQL issue?
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aaronpk it's a combination really
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aaronpk if you write the SQL out you see both columns too, and they have the same name
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aaronpk and if you aren't using an ORM you'll have the same problem
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aaronpk Vouch << An example of a manual "vouch" post on Twitter https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/status/1007376630476607489
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@gRegorLove @benward @t @Microformateers Hi Ben, @t mentioned this tweet to me. I have a PHP library to convert h-event to iCal: https://github.com/gRegorLove/mf2-to-iCalendar. It’s basic, but working well for my calendar page: https://gregorlove.com/calendar. (twitter.com/_/status/1007376630476607489)
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Loqi ok, I added "An example of a manual "vouch" post on Twitter https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/status/1007376630476607489" to the "See Also" section of /Vouch https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=48791&oldid=47286
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GWG I want a Vouch session at IWS
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Zegnat That would be interesting, I would join in on that!
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Zegnat I’ve received 2 vouched webmentions. But I am not doing anything with it. Wondering what people’s thoughts are.
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jgmac1106_ vouch ain’t for off credential for me. Folks know I want to figure out a webmention way for that
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jgmac1106_ as far as anti-spam, even better if I could set it for vouched is already approved comment.
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Zegnat The vouches I received (from gRegorLove) would never have passed any vouch validation on my end, even if I had written code for it, which I find doubly interesting
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jeremycherfas !tell zegnat cweiske thanks to both of you.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas !tell jgmac1106_ I know that Overcast can invoke the ios sharesheet for the episode as a whole and at a specific time; I wonder whether that can be bent to send a webmention?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jgmac1106_ I am on PocketCast for Android willing to change it up, though I did PocketCast
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jgmac1106_ dig*
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@caraudioshoppin Time is running out to save on Microsub+, Microsub & Powerwedge+ enclosed subwoofer systems! Link in bio. #HowWePlay #JLAudio #caraudio Repost from @jlaudioinc (twitter.com/_/status/1008698797822799874)
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aaronpk "link in bio"?? on twitter?
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aaronpk really
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sknebel Zegnat: why whouldn't they?
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Zegnat gRegorLove used GitHub as vouch. No way I would whitelist a silo like GitHub, then everyone could vouch for their spam.
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Loqi Zegnat: jeremycherfas left you a message 5 minutes ago: cweiske thanks to both of you.
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aaronpk my poor laptop is really struggling with these ~400k row database tables
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Zegnat Yikes
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Zegnat Local copy of Aperture?
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aaronpk yea
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aaronpk I want to run these scripts on the real data before I launch it
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petermolnar aaronpk: 400k is not _that_ much, is it mysql? if yes, is it innodb?
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aaronpk yes to both
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aaronpk it took a while to add an index
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petermolnar what's in your mysql.cnf?
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petermolnar and how much memory can you spare for mysql?
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aaronpk stock config from whatever homebrew installed
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petermolnar ok, no surprises then
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aaronpk the table is about ~1gb, and I don't really want to put that all in ram.
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petermolnar recommendations: innodb_file_per_table = 1\ninnodb_file_format = Barracuda\ninnodb_buffer_pool_size = 2G\ninnodb_log_file_size = 512M\ninnodb_large_prefix = 1\ninnodb_strict_mode = 0
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petermolnar why not?
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aaronpk cause I don't really need it to be fast, and I would rather have the ram for everything else on my computer
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aaronpk this isn't a server, it's just my laptop
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petermolnar fair point; on the other hand, shut it down when you don't need it
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aaronpk also that wouldn't help with adding an index anyway, would it?
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petermolnar so no ram consumption
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petermolnar good question, it probably wouldn't
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petermolnar the innodb_flush_method tuning might
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aaronpk if I had a 4-core processor this would be a lot faster
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petermolnar what's the fs underneath it, is it a copy-on-write fs?
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aaronpk it's macos, not the new one
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petermolnar hfs+?
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aaronpk yeah I think so
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petermolnar that's now cow, I think
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petermolnar there's a flag for systems like zfs and btrfs: skip-innodb_doublewrite
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petermolnar the barracuda file format might help a bit though, if it's not the default right now; that enables a compression on the db files, so even adding an index would mean less disk io
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petermolnar but you'd need to reimport the db
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aaronpk haha no thanks. that took hours to import the first time :P
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petermolnar I have spare ~10G RAM on my server
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petermolnar if you ever need some RAM
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aaronpk what I really need is the guts of a 2018 mac pro in the body of a 12" macbook :P
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aaronpk without it catching on fire
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petermolnar it's called a thinkpad :D
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petermolnar but not in 12", no
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Zegnat Or just any update to the macbook line in general. *eyes Apple*
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jeremycherfas IndieWeb development-focused chat. This is where the sauce is made - Logs at https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/today - bridged with #dev in Slackdiaphrasty @d
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jeremycherfas What?
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jeremycherfas Ooops. Typed in the wrong app. Sorry about that.
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Zegnat IndieWeb development-focused chat. This is where the sauce is made - Logs at https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/today - bridged with #dev in Slack
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jeremycherfas Thanks for the rescue.
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aaronpk alright, running migrations on the production site
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[eddie] :crossed_fingers:
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Loqi [eddie]: jgmac1106_ left you a message 6 hours, 27 minutes ago: the conversation came up between [gwg] and [chrisaldrich] who both publish the same podcast on their sites but consider Dave canonical. They wanted to gather webmentions from both but this got me thinking once I subscribed I will probably never go back to the posts. If there was a podcast player that was also a micropub client where I could post a listen-to or a review that would be neat
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[eddie] !tell jgmac1106 That makes sense! With both Overcast and Castro on iOS I have my micropub endpoint able to parse those urls for the actual podcast episode permalink (which ends back at their original posts on their websites), so I can use the Share Sheet in either of those apps to track a "Listen" post. All of the listen posts on https://eddiehinkle.com/media/ come from my podcast player using the Share Sheet in Indigenous for iOS
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jgmac1106 and that I think is what Dave and Chris were trying to get at with reverse salmentions ….he says without actually listening to the podcast
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Loqi jgmac1106: [eddie] left you a message 1 minute ago: That makes sense! With both Overcast and Castro on iOS I have my micropub endpoint able to parse those urls for the actual podcast episode permalink (which ends back at their original posts on their websites), so I can use the Share Sheet in either of those apps to track a "Listen" post. All of the listen posts on https://eddiehinkle.com/media/ come from my podcast player using the Share Sheet in Indigenous for iOS
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[eddie] !tell jgmac1106 my eventual goal is to build the podcast parsing either into Indigenous or into something like XRay so other people can get the original permalinks when using Like/Reply/Listen actions
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] Then people don't have to use a specific podcast client to use IndieWeb type actions, they can just use the Share Extensions from podcast players they enjoy. Of course, once we get the parsing all figured out, it'll be great to get that working across the whole ecosystem (iOS, android, etc)
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[eddie] !tell jgmac1106 in Android does pocketcast (or other podcast players) have a button to be able to "Share the podcast url" where it opens up an action sheet or share sheet (or whatever its called in Android) lol
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] !tell swentel For Indigenous for Android do you currently parse a url in anyway to choose which actions to show (Reply, Bookmark, Like, RSVP, etc) or do you just show all potential options? If you parse it is that local code or using a hosted service like XRay?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat I can share the episode, and the share panel on Android allows me to pick Indigenous.
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Zegnat No idea how the flow progresses, as I haven’t been able to log in to Indigenous yet.
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[eddie] Okay, cool. I'm glad to hear that flow works like that on Android too. That means if I can get the URL parsing logic onto my local copy of XRay, we could use it both in iOS and Android 🙌
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[eddie] Thanks Zegnat!
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[eddie] If you share the episode to a web browser, what type of a URL does it provide you? (if you don't mind sharing info about one of your podcast episodes)
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Zegnat Doesn’t let me just copy a link. Annoying app only lets me share to other apps
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[eddie] ohh how strange! haha
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Zegnat shares to a chat with himself on Messenger
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[eddie] lol! that's one way to beat the system
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Zegnat https://pca.st/Mr9N - was the link that got shared
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[eddie] excellent, that's perfect. Thanks
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[cleverdevil] I wish more services offered webhooks for this type of thing.
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[cleverdevil] I use the Plex webhook for my Watch posts.
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[cleverdevil] (Though, theirs needs some serious work).
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Zegnat I can also get a link for the “position in episode”.
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[eddie] oh sweet! Very cool, Overcast does that as well
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Zegnat For position in episode, Pocket Casts appends a #t=nnnn to the above URL
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Zegnat https://pca.st/Mr9N#t=1322 in the case of this example
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[eddie] is that at minute 13:22?
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[eddie] If not, then that would be in seconds
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[eddie] Which in seconds should be like 22 minutes
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[eddie] Oh yep! That's where the timehead is in the web browser
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Zegnat seconds
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Zegnat 22:02 is where I paused the podcast when I stopped listening
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[eddie] Excellent, that With that we can actually set up easier fragmention. Both Overcast and pocket cast share #t=seconds, so those are super compatible with each other
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Zegnat I just wish more apps supported gpodder
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Zegnat That could give me automatic tracking of when I listen to which podcasts
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[eddie] goes to start opening up tickets on Indigenous for Android so we can work on Podcast support in tandem on both iOS and Android
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[eddie] interesting, what is gpodder? Some type of podcast server or something?
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Zegnat https://gpodder.net/
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Zegnat An open-source and selfhostable server for tracking and syncing podcasts
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Zegnat Here is the API documentation of events that the client may send to the server: https://gpoddernet.readthedocs.io/en/latest/api/reference/events.html
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[eddie] Oh very cool!
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Zegnat download/delete/play/position events are exactly what you want for syncing … and for tracking!
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Zegnat [eddie], feel free to @ me on any of those issues if you need an Android user to test something. Though I haven’t gotten Indigenous working at the moment.
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gRegorLove_ GWG, did clearing cookies work for indiebookclub?
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Loqi gRegorLove_: GWG left you a message 5 hours, 51 minutes ago: Still getting Missing Session State
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gRegorLove_ I'm using a session canary to regenerate the session id: https://paragonie.com/blog/2015/04/fast-track-safe-and-secure-php-sessions##Other+Considerations
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Zegnat cookie << For session cookies: [https://paragonie.com/blog/2015/04/fast-track-safe-and-secure-php-sessions The Fast Track to Safe and Secure PHP Sessions]
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Loqi ok, I added "For session cookies: [https://paragonie.com/blog/2015/04/fast-track-safe-and-secure-php-sessions The Fast Track to Safe and Secure PHP Sessions]" to the "See Also" section of /cookie https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=48792&oldid=44087
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[eddie] If anyone has any Podcast Players that are their favorites, feel free to go to https://github.com/swentel/indigenous-android/issues/85 and leave a comment so we know to see if we can add support for those podcast players
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Loqi [EdwardHinkle] #85 Add support for Listen posts in the share screen
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[eddie] As well as if you have any thoughts on Listen posts, etc. Feel free to head over there and comment :)
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@webstandards IndieWeb Standards: #MicroFormats - https://indieweb.org/microformats http://indieauth.net -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE0AA6gVRSI @calum_ryan (twitter.com/_/status/1008777010594926592)
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@webstandards #WebMentions https://indieweb.org/Webmention let another service when you've linked to it @calum_ryan (twitter.com/_/status/1008778177588727810)
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@ramsey ↩️ You should check out the IndieWeb project, Micropub specification, Web Mentions, and more. Links: https://indieweb.org • https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/ • https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ • https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg (twitter.com/_/status/1008786776629051393)
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[kevinmarks] I cheat the reverse webmention thing on svgur.com by looking up it and svgshare.com on webmention.herokuapp.com
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@Barbayellow Je joue avec https://indieauth.com/, pour utiliser les fb twitter & co tout en contrôlant mes données. Prometteur (twitter.com/_/status/1008814850221408257)
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tantek.com edited /this-week-in-the-indieweb (-25) "move TOC up" (view diff)
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@EddieHinkle ↩️ Hey, sure! You can sign up here: http://eepurl.com/c-SlfP it does require a website with a Micropub endpoint. And for the reader functionality it requires an account with a Microsub-compatible server. (twitter.com/_/status/1008845389015986176)
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