#dev 2018-06-21

2018-06-21 UTC
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loqi.me edited /WeWork (+193) "tantek added "2018-06-18 The Guardian: [https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/18/digital-nomad-homeless-tech-work In a world of digital nomads, we will all be made homeless]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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[eddie] I’ll try that out, tantek. It makes sense that Google would only want to push people to Chrome
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[eddie] Lame, but it makes sense
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jgmac1106 [eddie] it stinks the sharing options in FF work so much better than Chrome on Android. I usally end up in Chrome because of assistant, lame in-app browsers, or voice search.
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@ChrisAldrich Having just run into @jancavan at #WCOC and talking with her about her relatively recent redesign of WordPress’s reader, I’d be curious to see what she and others might be able to do for a WordPress reader built on top of a solid microsub server. https://boffosocko.com/2018/06/20/yarns-v-microsub-jack-jamieson/ (twitter.com/_/status/1009617274712412160)
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[eddie] !tell tantek Aperture doesn’t get date/time from your site 🤷‍♂️
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] Image from iOS https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FBCCFQ3P1/image_from_ios.png?pub_secret=d1702c6135&name=Image from iOS.png
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KartikPrabhu [eddie]: tantek does have correct mf2 markup
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[eddie] Hmm that’s strange.... 🤔
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[eddie] I’ll have to investigate what’s going on between Aperture and Indigenous then. He’s the only person I’ve seen this not working for
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loqi.me created /Facebook_Workplace (+22) "prompted by Zegnat and redirect added by Zegnat" (view diff)
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Zegnat tld << [https://publicsuffix.org/ Public Suffix List] by the Mozilla Foundation is a “list of all known public suffixes” that people could register under. Good place to find all the extra leveled ones like [[.co.uk]].
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://publicsuffix.org/ Public Suffix List] by the Mozilla Foundation is a “list of all known public suffixes” that people could register under. Good place to find all the extra leveled ones like [[.co.uk]]." to the "See Also" section of /Top-level-domain https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=48908&oldid=41759
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sknebel tld << note that ^^^ that also includes dyndns providers etc, not just TLDs
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Loqi ok, I added "note that ^^^ that also includes dyndns providers etc, not just TLDs" to the "See Also" section of /Top-level-domain https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=48909&oldid=48908
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[kevinmarks] interesting: https://peteroshaughnessy.com/posts/disappearing-frameworks/
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[kevinmarks] I wonder if this could be adapted to a websub client: https://github.com/nolanlawson/pinafore
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Loqi [nolanlawson] pinafore: Alternative web client for Mastodon
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[jgarber] Question for the room: I did some quick looking on the wiki and couldn’t find anything about this. How does one become a member of the GitHub IndieWeb organization? (https://github.com/indieweb)
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[jgarber] Asking selfishly, of course. This is presumptuous on my part as the organization _might_ not be open to new members. But, if there _is_ a process for joining the organization, it’d be good to know!
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KartikPrabhu [jgarber]: good question. I am a member but I don't know how :P
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Zegnat I think people whos code is absorbed into the community becomes a member? Or something? There isn’t really a fixed process afaik
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: looks like you're an owner, you can add people on https://github.com/orgs/indieweb/people
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snarfed yeah, little to no process, just judgment, which is fine
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KartikPrabhu eh how!?
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snarfed um open that link
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[jgarber] _owner status!_
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KartikPrabhu no I mean how did that happen :P
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snarfed default to trusting and empowering!
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KartikPrabhu ok [jgarber] what's your github
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snarfed wikipedia style
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[jgarber] @KartikPrabhu https://github.com/jgarber623
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KartikPrabhu done!
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KartikPrabhu "I dub thee member of Indiweb on github"
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[jgarber] Woohoo! Thanks!
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Loqi yay!
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[jgarber] My hope is to more-easily work on contributions to the webmention and microformats Ruby gems.
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KartikPrabhu :thumbsup:
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tantek__ +1
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Loqi tantek__: [eddie] left you a message 16 hours, 38 minutes ago: Aperture doesn’t get date/time from your site 🤷‍♂️
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tantek__ !tell [eddie] I wonder what mf2 parser Aperture is using then...
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat Aperture is using php-mf2, AFAIK
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KartikPrabhu Zegnat: but php-mf2 does get the published date/time from tantek's posts correctly http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20180621190021644
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KartikPrabhu maybe Aperture is not playing nice with the space-separated time formatting?
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Zegnat Actually, upon further thinking, Aperture only uses XRay in feed mode I think? It never goes to fetch the separate posts. Unless that was updated.
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Zegnat Times seem to be there: http://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com&expect=feed
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[grantcodes] Security recommendation request: So I am building my new micropub endpoint, it is going to be headless (ie you can get lists of stored posts from it) but I don't want to run into an issue where there are expired tokens preventing you from getting the posts
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[grantcodes] I am not sure if I should add some other authentication system that never expires or force people to refresh tokens which could be kinda annoying
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Zegnat What keeps people from using non-expiring tokens in the first place? Most IndieAuth-issued tokens I have seen will be indefinitely valid. Where do you expect an issue with expiring tokens to come up from?
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[grantcodes] If I don't control the token endpoint though there is no guarantee of that though
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Zegnat That’s true, but as the micropub server is pinned to a single endpoint anyway, I feel it is OK to assume that the token endpoint you are working with should be compatible with your needs.
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Zegnat Or are you doing something like Aperture, where you will have separate endpoint URLs for different users, and support separate token endpoints?
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[grantcodes] Will be self hosted for now. And only handles the micropub and media endpoint, you pass your token endpoint into the options and it will validate tokens with your endpoint
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Zegnat That seems fully correct on all levels. It isn’t really up to the micropub endpoint to get mixed up in the auth level stuff then, imho :) I wouldn’t worry too much
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[grantcodes] I am worrying about it for my own use as my token endpoint does expire tokens 😛
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Zegnat That seems like your token endpoint needs more tinkering ;)
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[grantcodes] Yeah probably
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[grantcodes] I'll maybe build in an optional token endpoint in the future anyway. Makes sense to me to have all these endpoints bundled up together
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Zegnat It definitely can be. Can also save you some external HTTP calls, e.g. if the micropub endpoint can check the token internally.
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KartikPrabhu on the other hand, it might be better to keep all these parts separated and more "modular"
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[grantcodes] KartikPrabhu: Agreed, the way I am building it will be very modular.
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[grantcodes] But think it would be a nice package for people who want to develop an indieweb site but don't want to write a backend for it themselves.
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KartikPrabhu sure
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[grantcodes] Umm now I have a dev question I really should know the answer to... What would you call the base url of a site. It's not a domain because it includes the http(s) protocall
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snarfed origin
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[grantcodes] Can an origin include a path though?
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snarfed no
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snarfed i don't know that there's a specific term for scheme + hostname + path
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snarfed base url is fine
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KartikPrabhu right, it also corresponds to the HTML <base>
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KartikPrabhu https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/base
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[grantcodes] Cool, think I want to support paths so base url works for me
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KartikPrabhu which uses the "base url" terminology
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tantek__ digs up his URL blog post
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tantek__ [grantcodes]: do you include the query and fragment or not?
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tantek__ if you don't, then the only thing that has a name for that is jQuery which calls it hrefNoSearch
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KartikPrabhu what an ugly name :P
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[kevinmarks] Base is good.
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[kevinmarks] There's a trailing / decision too.
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tantek__ KartikPrabhu: just for that, you're assigned re-reading of http://tantek.com/2011/238/b1/many-ways-slice-url-name-pieces :P
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] How many ways can you slice a URL and name the pieces?
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[grantcodes] In my use case I will not have trailing slashes or queries or fragments
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snarfed tantek__: interestingly i don't actually see a single term in that table for what [grantcodes] wanted. funny
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snarfed (everything from scheme up to but not including query)
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tantek__ snarfed, look closer. jQuery row(s), "hrefNoSearch"
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snarfed nm, hrefNoSearch is the one
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snarfed yup
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snarfed base url it is! :P
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tantek__ lol
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gRegorLove 's eyes glaze over at that table
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[grantcodes] Who knew urls could be so complicated? 😛
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snarfed most of us
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snarfed whee
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[grantcodes] Ha it's usually something I don't need to worry about.
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[grantcodes] I also only recently learned the difference between a url and a uri
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[grantcodes] But for this case I am definitely not going to call it hrefNoSearch! Base url seems good to me
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tantek__ "the" 😂
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tantek__ Did you check the URL standard?
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[grantcodes] I can't remember what I was reading
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gRegorLove Speaking of URLs, I'm thinking through allowing them for indiebookclub posts.
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[grantcodes] It was something along the lines of "what is a uri"
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gRegorLove Wondering how paranoid I need to be about linking them on the indiebookclub site itself.
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[grantcodes] But now that the base url debate is done I need to decide on a default database. Another tricky decision 😛
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[grantcodes] gRegorLove: What does allowing urls mean in the indiebookclub use case?
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gRegorLove A URL to the canonical URL for the work being cited
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gRegorLove tries that sentence again
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gRegorLove Canonical URL for the work being cited; publisher's book page or an academic paper's URL, etc.
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gRegorLove No problem with that for the micropub request, but the posts are also shown on the ibc site.
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[grantcodes] I understood that one. I imagine they would be hard to find for books though. I don't know if I'd trust publishers to keep a url alive
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[grantcodes] And if the author has a website would that be the canonical url?
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gRegorLove I wouldn't either, but that's orthogonal. Mostly thinking about spam links.
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[grantcodes] Although that is not necessarily your problem
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gRegorLove Yeah, it can be any URL the poster wants to enter really. It would be the h-cite u-url in the mp request.
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gRegorLove btw I'm going to add visibility, though probably not before IWS
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snarfed gRegorLove: feature request? add already existing read posts
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gRegorLove I was thinking of a query param `read-of` on the new post form. It would take a URL and parse it for the first `read-of` or fall back to the first `h-cite` and populate the form.
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gRegorLove snarfed, is that kind of what you mean?
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gRegorLove I'll add more thoughts on https://github.com/gRegorLove/indiebookclub/issues/7
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Loqi [gRegorLove] #7 Feature: Support query string parameters
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snarfed maybe? i meant, if ibc is going to be an aggregator also, ie display a stream of read posts, i'd like to add to it (a la news.indieweb) even if i don't use it as my client to create the post
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gRegorLove Ooh
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gRegorLove Interesting
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snarfed not sure if you're actually doing the publicly visible aggregator thing though. if not, disregard
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gRegorLove Profiles are publicly visible, but there isn't a stream of all new posts.
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gRegorLove I'll think about it though. Want to focus on the mp client aspect first.
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snarfed feel free to use https://snarfed.org/2018-06-17_29222 as an example if/when you get there. parsed mf2 looks ok to me.
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Tree, trunk, branch, crown Climbing up and sitting down Morning sun becomes noon-blue All the world is old and new   Road, street, track, path Ship, boat, wooden raft Nest, bird, feather, fly All the world has got its sky ...
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gRegorLove Filed https://github.com/gRegorLove/indiebookclub/issues/9
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Loqi [gRegorLove] #9 Consider aggregating read posts via webmention
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[grantcodes] gRegorLove++
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gRegorLove The query parameter stuff I was describing is more for if I see your read post and want to easily add it to my list, a bookmarklet would open the client and have the information filled in by parsing the mf2.
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