#dev 2018-06-27

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gregorlove.com edited /webring (+359) "/* See Also */ citation template with archived link" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn moved /2018/education to /2018/education "Weird unicode leaked in"
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gregorlove.com moved /Category:2018-sessions to /Category:2018_sessions "match sibling cats"
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GWG Heading back to the hotel to edit Vouch
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snarfed GWG++
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Loqi gwg has 34 karma in this channel (370 overall)
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GWG snarfed: We needed you in the Vouch conversation
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GWG You might have the answer
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snarfed oh man i have very few thoughts or opinions on vouch
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GWG The question was how do you figure out relationships for Vouch
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GWG You did Bridgy and Indiemap
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snarfed esp since afaik we've seen maybe just one native webmention spam, ever, and even that one was debatable
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snarfed ahhh yes ok that's a good q
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snarfed and totally answerable by indiemap! just load http://www.indiemap.org/YOURDOMAIN.json and it will tell you every indieweb site it knows that links to you
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GWG The issue for me was never implementing the protocol.
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snarfed http://www.indiemap.org/docs.html#social-graph-api
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GWG snarfed: That might be the solution to an implementation
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GWG But I need to go over some stuff on the page
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GWG It just is too confusing now
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snarfed 👍
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gRegorLove I still think "relationship" isn't a good term when talking about Vouch
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gRegorLove https://indieweb.org/Vouch#Is_vouch_saying_you_know_me_from
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gRegorLove +1 on starting with storing the vouch param in wordpress. incremental steps :)
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GWG gRegorLove: I may need help with the edit.I'm still looking at the page
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GWG Those characters in tech examples.
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GWG It's Alice and Bob?
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gRegorLove I think those are the stereotypical ones, yeah
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GWG Who is the third one? Carl?
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gRegorLove Hmm, just discovered XRay doesn't return experimental properties like read-of and read-status. Guess that makes sense
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david.shanske.com edited /Vouch (+53) (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /Vouch (+116) "/* Why */" (view diff)
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snarfed third is Eve :P
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snarfed (usually the attacker)
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GWG I haven't read Applied Cryptography in ages
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david.shanske.com edited /Vouch (+515) "/* Protocol */" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /Vouch (-9) "/* Protocol */" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu GWG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_and_Bob#Cast_of_characters
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GWG I see. It's Carol
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david.shanske.com edited /Vouch (+5) "/* Summary */" (view diff)
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GWG I think I fixed the description
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david.shanske.com edited /Vouch (+122) "/* Protocol */" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /Vouch (+2) (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /Vouch (+165) "/* Protocol */" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /Vouch (-233) (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /Vouch (+492) "/* Issues */" (view diff)
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GWG If anyone wants to read that page and tell me if it is clearer...
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www.boffosocko.com edited /comics (+82) "link to 2018 session" (view diff)
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Zegnat !tell gRegorLove on XRay not returning experimental properties: note that it returns jf2, so check what jf2 has to say about handling unknown properties. Ignoring may be by design.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG Zegnat, can you have a look at the Vouch Page?
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Zegnat I can and I will
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Zegnat I really just wanted to finish the schedule polishing
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Zegnat Alright. Time to look at /Vouch
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Zegnat You wrote the entire new Protocol section, GWG? The steps all seem right to me!
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Zegnat Also really like the addition to why, i.e. faster moderation for valid vouch and more scrutiny for vouchless
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Zegnat Still having a hard time wrapping my head around the steps for Vouch Selection though.
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Zegnat I feel like Receiving needs a step 6: “The receiver's server verifies that the vouch (when retrieved, after following redirects) in the webmention contains a hyperlink to the domain used in source (if not, processing stops)”. Or something like that
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Zegnat GWG++ for directly acting and updating the wiki based on a session!
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Loqi gwg has 35 karma in this channel (371 overall)
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sixtwothree.org edited /photo (+602) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Adds self to list of photo-posting examples" (view diff)
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danq.me edited /Planning (+21) "/* Oxford */ Adding myself to the list" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Open_Scholar (+215) "prompted by chrisaldrich and dfn added by chrisaldrich" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /Open_Scholar (+1) "linkify ('x is y. <url>.' pattern)" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Open_Scholar (+274) "additional links to various projects" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Indieweb_for_Education (+301) "added Drupal along with links for Open Scholar project" (view diff)
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@jackyalcine I'm 100% going to not be there by 9 AM; been catching up with a lot of stuff and email. Also prepping my environment for this IndieAuth adapter for Plug. (twitter.com/_/status/1011999620795334661)
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@jackyalcine ↩️ I'm going to be hacking on a particular project today! For the sake of ease of access, it'll be on https://github.com/jalcine/plug-indieauth/ for now, but I aim to move it to https://git.jacky.wtf/indieweb/ in the near future when I get indieauth support in gitea going #iws2018 #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1012001911988543488)
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david.shanske.com edited /Vouch (+169) "/* Receiving */" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Plug (+70) "prompted by Zegnat and dfn added by jalcine" (view diff)
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@martijnvdven #IndieWebSummit is currently running 3 sessions: 1. #IndieWeb Building Blocks - https://www.youtube.com/c/Indiewebcamp/live 2. IndieWebifying your WordPress - https://hangouts.google.com/call/l325PMIq8QSSG3jDrUDbAAEE 3. IndieAuth & Micropub - sadly not being streamed. (twitter.com/_/status/1012026038753415170)
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www.dori.com edited /IRC_People (+55) "Add dori" (view diff)
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@HongPong I just gave the #indieweb (http://indieweb.org) plug for Drupal 8 Linkback module ( http://drupal.org/project/linkback ) which implements pingbacks and webmentions - i worked on it a bit, its got a great architecture with batching and anti-spam #D4DBoston @D4DBoston (twitter.com/_/status/1012029324290031616)
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loqi.me created /authorship_testing_tool (+89) "prompted by gRegorLove and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /authorship_testing_tool (+2) "linkify ('… is <url>' pattern)" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Sturdy_Backbone (+36) "prompted by gRegorLove and redirect added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /authorship_testing_tool (+57) "dfn" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /watch (+18) "🎬 emojicon" (view diff)
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@iamrentman rel=“me”, Micropub, Webmention. Intriguing keynote by @adactio at #D4DBoston about owning your content, syndication, and the IndieWeb. #D4D2018 (twitter.com/_/status/1012036785185218561)
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tantek.com edited /watch (+76) "move TOC, use 🎫 for a live concert or theatre show" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /watch (-3) "expand dfn" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /itches (+228) "Chris Aldrich example" (view diff)
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /posts (-340) "removed stats from 2016 as they were way off, and not helpful." (view diff)
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jgregorymcverry.com created /post_type_page_example (+309) "this is a template for all post type articles" (view diff)
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /post_type_page_example (+5) "fixed comments" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Progress! indiebookclub now accepts query parameters read-status and title to pre-populate the form.
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Loqi gRegorLove: Zegnat left you a message 9 hours, 44 minutes ago: on XRay not returning experimental properties: note that it returns jf2, so check what jf2 has to say about handling unknown properties. Ignoring may be by design.
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gRegorLove e.g. https://indiebookclub.biz/new?read-status=reading&title=Kill+Process
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Loqi indiebookclub
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gRegorLove Taco time, then more work.
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jalcine !tell aaronpk I figured it out - it's me having a bad DNSSEC setup (and removing it made most validations complain). Will have to wait ~1 hour to see more
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /post_type_page_example (-2) "/* Silo Renderings */" (view diff)
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[cleverdevil] Just finished my first project for the day. Anyone need extra eyes or help on their project?
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@calum_ryan Another productive evening at Homebrew Website Club London – looking into offline updates with ServiceWorkers and helping out @ohhelloana get setup with Jekyll Webmention support (twitter.com/_/status/1012064532313886720)
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[eddie] IndieLogin.com is the developer side of IndieAuth.com. Is there a replacement for the User side of IndieAuth.com where it uses RelMe Auth for their IndieAuth server?
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[eddie] Or is that still in development?
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aaronpk ooh jalcine that's good news
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Loqi aaronpk: jalcine left you a message 44 minutes ago: I figured it out - it's me having a bad DNSSEC setup (and removing it made most validations complain). Will have to wait ~1 hour to see more
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aaronpk I didn't know DNSSEC could mess it up that way
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tantek.com edited /posts (+315) "add watch post, comment why tracking counts" (view diff)
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jalcine it's so aggressive (for good reason)
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aaronpk so apparently only some DNS servers actually respect DNSSEC then 😂
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jalcine https://dns.google.com/query?name=example&type=A&dnssec=true
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jalcine yeah lol
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snarfed [cleverdevil]++
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Loqi cleverdevil has 30 karma in this channel (93 overall)
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[eddie] is curiuos what cleverdevil’s project was
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tantek.com edited /posts (+112) "/* Types of Posts */ distinguish a few levels" (view diff)
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Zegnat [eddie], I don’t think there will be a “user side” that “uses RelMeAuth for their IndieAuth”. I seem to recall aaronpk talking about making the other side of the project something you log in to with more conventional ways
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Zegnat Pfff, I feel like I am nowhere closer to my programming goal for the day. But at least I now know a lot about beanstalkd... I guess
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[eddie] Ohhh, like a “create a username and password” hosted service?
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Zegnat Not sure on the details, but that’s what I was remembering.
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Zegnat So really an IndieAuth-as-a-Service sort of solution
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Zegnat Without all the silo dependencies
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[cleverdevil] I am pretty close to that with punyauth.
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[cleverdevil] Its username and password based.
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[cleverdevil] It costs essentially nothing to operate.
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Zegnat I am working on a thing that can be password based, but will also allow the user to set alternative authentication means such as TOTP etc.
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[eddie] If anyone feels like taking a look at my IndieAuth help page here, I’m open to feedback 🙂 https://indigenous.abode.pub/ios/help/#indieauth
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Zegnat LGTM [eddie]
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[eddie] 🎉
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[cleverdevil] [eddie] one tip: s/Wordpress/WordPress
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loqi.me created /indieweb_news (+17) "prompted by KartikPrabhu and redirect added by KartikPrabhu" (view diff)
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[eddie] ohhhh good to know!
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[cleverdevil] Lest you be smote by the WordPress community.
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[cleverdevil] 😄
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[eddie] I know! That could have ended very badly for me 😰
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[cleverdevil] Oh, also [eddie], on the Indigenous website, you have a typo "through the use of Micropub and Mirosub compatible servers."
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[cleverdevil] s/Mirosub/Microsub
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[eddie] You didn’t hear about Mirosub? 😉
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[cleverdevil] Its all the rage!
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[eddie] Totally. Microsub is so early 2018
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[eddie] cleverdevil++ for typo checking
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gregorlove.com edited /bookmark (+66) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ New tools section for consumers" (view diff)
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gRegorLove If there's any other consumers of u-bookmark-of, please add to https://indieweb.org/bookmark#Tools
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eddiehinkle.com edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:indigenous-0.3-reader.png]]"" (view diff)
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Zegnat Alright. Now one more hour to get all this experimental tech running on my server.
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snarfed dumb JS question: i have an object with a single property, eg {'x': 'y'}, but i don't know what it is. how can i get it easily?
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snarfed the keys() method seems perfect but it doesn't exist for some reason, not sure why
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snarfed otherwise the only answer i've found is iterating over it with for ... in ... and break after the first, which is really awkward
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aaronpk omg that drives me crazy too
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snarfed ah well
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[cleverdevil] Do you have any JS library available to you, or are you stuck with what's available in Node?
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Zegnat snarfed, why is keys() not there?
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Zegnat Object.keys({x:'y'}) - should just work
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Zegnat Note that you call .keys on the main Object prototype, not on the object you want to get the keys from
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snarfed Zegnat++ ahhhhhhh brilliant! that's what i was missing. thank you!
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Loqi zegnat has 73 karma in this channel (246 overall)
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snarfed (this is Chrome V8)
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Zegnat No problem. I have been doing node the entire day, with headless chrome, so I have been refreshing myself on all of this too ;)
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aaronpk who was asking about CORS headers on webmention.rocks?
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aaronpk that should be enabled now
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aaronpk plz let me know if I did that wrong
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snarfed anyone use cloudflare? i have questions
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[cleverdevil] What is Indiepaper?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Indiepaper" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Indiepaper is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[cleverdevil] Indiepaper is a "read later" service, in the spirit of Instapaper, for the IndieWeb. Source is available, but you can use Indiepaper through its public endpoint at https://indiepaper.cleverdevil.io
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat [cleverdevil], will indiepaper cache copies of the things I want to read later?
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[cleverdevil] It simply pushes a version of the article to a Micropub endpoint.
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[cleverdevil] That said, readers could be updated to optionally cache specific channels for offline reading.
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Zegnat Aah, gotcha, interesting!
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[cleverdevil] (I've already mentioned this to [eddie] as a great idea for Indigenous).
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Zegnat For a second I was afraid that all my work today was for naught ;)
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[cleverdevil] Ah, are you working on something similar?
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Zegnat I have created a system that I can feed a URL to and that will create a completely selfcontained static HTML file for that URL for archiving/future reading
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[cleverdevil] Cool!
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Zegnat I say “I”. What I mean is: I looked around and found the pieces that I needed, and then trial-and-errored until it worked together ;)
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Zegnat https://github.com/Zegnat/node-beanstalkd-web-archiver
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Loqi [Zegnat] node-beanstalkd-web-archiver: Worker that creates static DOM dumps of web pages for archival purposes.
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Zegnat Creating UI now, and then going to see if I can get it all running on my VPS instead of local only. Fingers crossed that I finish before IWS closes for the day
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tantek.com edited /fragmentioner (+19) "/* Screenshot of UI */ linktext!" (view diff)
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@philnash ↩️ @calum_ryan @adactio @ohhelloana Oh, what do you recommend for Jekyll webmentions? (twitter.com/_/status/1012097489397166080)
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tantek.com edited /fragmentioner (+172) "fix heading levels, expand on UI section" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /fragmentioner (+337) "Brainstorming, Copy instead of nav" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu tantek__ feel free to open issue on fragmentioner.js about the "copy" function
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KartikPrabhu maybe cc chrisaldrich since he uses it too
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tantek__ KartikPrabhu: thank you! I will :)
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KartikPrabhu I coded it that way since I didn't know if you could copy from vanilla JS. Seems like you can
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KartikPrabhu oops looks like it is deprecated https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Document/execCommand#Browser_compatibility
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tantek.com edited /fragmentioner (+75) "/* Brainstorming */ link gh issue" (view diff)
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lovi.star.is edited /IRC_People (+60) "I added myself" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /citation (+23) "/* allow access to fragmention on copying text */ fragmentioner" (view diff)
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Zegnat Clutch FTP’ing right now. Maybe there will be a demo :o
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Zegnat schmarty, can I get you to demo my thing if I can get it to work?
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schmarty zegnat: sure!
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tantek.com edited /fragmentioner (+137) "/* Copy instead of nav */ link how to use JS to copy text" (view diff)
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lovi.star.is edited /IRC_People (+5) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
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Zegnat schmarty, looks like I will not have a demo... Stupid Headless Chrome doesn’t work out of the gate on Stupid Debian VPS Server. Stupid.
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gRegorLove schmarty, webring added but links don't work :(
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schmarty zegnat: i have felt that pain
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Zegnat Everything was nice, uploaded and loading on the VPS. And then the first URL I put in brings the house of cards falling down :(
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Zegnat I have my own Internet Archive now, would have been a cool demo... Maybe I’ll make a demo video later
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schmarty gRegorLove: paste one here?
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gRegorLove <a href="https:///🇦🇷/previous">←</a>
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gRegorLove <a href="https:///🇦🇷/next">→</a>
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gRegorLove Copied from the form after I signed in (Chrome, Windows)
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gRegorLove AR, I'm a pirate.
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schmarty oh yeah, refresh that dashboard page
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gRegorLove got it. I'm in!
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schmarty wahoo
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Manton is up and shows how you post from IndieBookClub to https://micro.blog. Also https://micro.blog is an IndieAuth PROVIDER! #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012119280530481152)
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GWG Can someone send my tiny.n9n.us site a webmention with a vouch?
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GWG I want to test this code
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Zegnat paging gRegorLove ^^^
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gRegorLove GWG: wm to homepage or a post?
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GWG A post
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GWG Any of the recent ones
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GWG Like the Indienews one
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gRegorLove GWG: Tried, endpoint responded with http 500
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gRegorLove https://gregorlove.com/2018/06/you-get-a-webmention-and/
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GWG gRegorLove: I should be using a curl request
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] you get a webmention, And You Get a Webmention, AND YOU GET A WEBMENTION...
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GWG My database server keeps cutitng out. I have to call my provider
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GWG Or move
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GWG I'm thinking of moving my dev site to my house
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GWG gRegorLove: Is there an easy way to trigger a resend?
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+31) "/* Working On */ Select Text Fragmention UI, filed an issue, incorporate considerations" (view diff)
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gRegorLove curl
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GWG Otherwise, can you give me the vouch URL you were using?
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GWG I was going to curl
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GWG I don't log webmentions raw
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gRegorLove The vouch was https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-04-07.html
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GWG Thank you
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GWG gRegorLove: I got a 449
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gRegorLove Sounds about right, depending on how you're handling vouches
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gRegorLove Actually, I don't think so. 449 should be if there is no vouch parameter but your endpoint wants one.
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gRegorLove https://indieweb.org/Vouch##approve+source?