#dev 2018-07-06
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snarfed what it actually finds is far from comprehensive, https://brid.gy/about#GitHub+responses+require , but source url error are obviously (usually) on me
# snarfed and heh funny it thinks the wms were successful because your handler is async https://brid.gy/github/aaronpk
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aaronpk well it returned a status URL you can check on :) https://webmention.io/aaronpk/webmention/tbh9YGBOCkmbwV7A1s8b
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KartikPrabhu async is hard to do. So I am assuming most webmention handlers have not implemented it yet (I know I am in that boat)
# aaronpk anyone have thoughts on this potential change to the mastodon mf2 markup? https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/7926
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[manton] More specifically, I show it to the user when there's a problem, e.g. "You tried to sign in as https://manton.org/ but you're signed in as someone else" or it can't find your site.
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aaronparecki.com moved /micro.blog to /Micro.blog
# aaronpk anyone want some fun reading? https://aaronparecki.com/2018/07/05/21/
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@frankmeeuwsen ↩️ Kunnen webmentions opnieuw worden verzonden als microformats eenmaal op orde zijn? Zoals Ton naderhand heeft gedaan. Zie ook mijn vragen op http://diggingthedigital.com//Waar-te-beginnen-met-Webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1015140467510513664)
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@ton_zylstra ↩️ De vraag is wat ik daar zelf aan kan sleutelen. Die microformats worden door Webmention en Semantic Backlinks plugins in WP aangebracht. (twitter.com/_/status/1015151050175799301)
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@patio11 My comic book swearing that I occasionally do in tweets was semi-valid liquid templating syntax, but only semi-valid, and so attempting to put them on my blog killed Jekyll. #{I%#)ing computers. (twitter.com/_/status/1015219519147499520)
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# @ton_zylstra Inspecting some pieces of puzzling #webmention behaviour https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2018/07/wrapping-my-head-around-webmentions/ @frankmeeuwsen @sebsel @martijnvdven #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1015237575890624512)
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@LeonardoIFG #MicroSub atendendo aos pedidos, prova adiada de hoje para sexta que vem. (twitter.com/_/status/1015238682134097920)
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[jgarber] [aaronpk] Thanks for the review on those webmention-client-ruby PRs! #11 should be good to go now: https://github.com/indieweb/webmention-client-ruby/pull/11
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@jackbaty Showing Webmentions here on http://baty.net: https://www.baty.net/2018/showing-webmentions-here-on-baty.net/ (twitter.com/_/status/1015258692558770182)
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@SoundEvo @MercedesBenz G-Class got @JLAudio C1-650X 6.5" 2-way car speakers + CP106LG-W0V3 MicroSub slot-ported enclosure subwoofer (twitter.com/_/status/1015262551351930880)
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# sknebel wrote a reply to ton_zylstra above: https://www.svenknebel.de/posts/2018/7/4/
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[cleverdevil] [manton] I've considered that as well. Not sure it makes sense just yet, though, because the token it receives wouldn't be useful.
# [cleverdevil] If [aaronpk] adds IndieAuth to specific microsub channels in Aperture, that may be a better path
# [cleverdevil] But, I am all ears and open! It needs to be much more seamless.
# [cleverdevil] Yeah, that would definitely work for Micro.blog.
# [cleverdevil] Yeah, I could see having an item returned in `?q=config` for `mp-destination` that is tagged as `indiepaper`.
# [cleverdevil] So, given what I am hearing, potentially, Indiepaper could configure itself by:
# [cleverdevil] 1. User enters their domain, and I query for a `mp-destination` that is somehow designated as an Indiepaper target.
# [cleverdevil] 2. Initiate IndieAuth against that specific destination to get token.
# [cleverdevil] Oh?
# [cleverdevil] Ah, I see.
# [cleverdevil] Yeah, the nice thing about the way it works right now, is its totally explicit. You can tell it precisely what you want it to do.
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@kickscondor I guess I should get this out there - I've got a fork http://github.com/kickscondor/jekyll-webmention_io that throttles outgoing webmentions, can run without execjs and fixes some bugs I found. (twitter.com/_/status/1015271133854162945)
# [cleverdevil] Creating an issue on https://github.com/cleverdevil/Indiepaper-macOS to capture the discussion
# [cleverdevil] So, I'd add an IndieAuth flow to the Indiepaper website?
# [cleverdevil] I guess I could do that and then have a special link that is generated that you could click on to configure the macOS app.
# [cleverdevil] `indiepaper-config:mp-destination=https://aperture.p3k.io/micropub&bearer=XYZ`
# [cleverdevil] Like that, and then the user could click it, and I could auto-configure.
# [cleverdevil] Makes sense.
# [cleverdevil] The best thing about this is, technically, I don't need to add IndieAuth on my end to make this work 🙂
# [cleverdevil] If I added the ability for auto-configuration in the macOS app with a link like this, then [manton] could simply generate a link directly from within Micro.blog.
# [cleverdevil] Users could just click and be good to go.
# [cleverdevil] What do you think of that [manton]?
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# [cleverdevil] I am just trying to think of a use case where it'd actually be necessary.
# [cleverdevil] I still don't *completely* understand what it'd look like. Would the user sign in with their regular domain or with the aperture channel?
# [cleverdevil] Gotcha.
# [cleverdevil] I like how indiepaper.io is totally stateless at the moment. It stores zero information, so the IndieAuth exchange would only be used to generate bookmarklets and macOS configuration links.
# [cleverdevil] The latter, IMO.
# [cleverdevil] The macOS auto-config via URL thing is pretty easy to do.
# [cleverdevil] So, I'll likely do that first.
# [cleverdevil] Adding IndieAuth to the indiepaper site is a bit more time consuming 🙂
# [cleverdevil] So, I'll likely do them in that order.
# [cleverdevil] [manton] no, its all good, it helps me evolve Indiepaper :)\
# [cleverdevil] I knew I was going to need to do *something*, I just wasn't sure *what* yet.
# [cleverdevil] I like the idea of it just generating a feed in the short term.
# [cleverdevil] Easy start 🙂
# [cleverdevil] For your use case, I wouldn't bother with IndieAuth.
# [cleverdevil] You don't need it.
# [cleverdevil] You already know the user's endpoint and bearer token.
# [cleverdevil] You could just give people a bookmarklet and macOS configuration URL directly in the Micro.blog website.
# [cleverdevil] I'd happily add a little section to the Indiepaper website that linked to the appropriate settings page in Micro.blog.
# [cleverdevil] Definitely record the requests as issues on Indiepaper on GitHub if you come up with an ideal solution.
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# [cleverdevil] So, it definitely sounds like I'll need to add IndieAuth support to Indiepaper.
# [manton] There's also JSON for the other sections, like https://micro.blog/posts/discover/photos or https://micro.blog/posts/discover/books
# [cleverdevil] Yeah, shouldn't be a big deal 🙂
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tantek__ there's some prior discussion / analysis of save vs readlater etc on the /webactions page
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tantek.com moved /events/2018-07-31-decentralized-web-summit to /events/2018-08-01-decentralized-web-summit "actual summit start date"
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[schmarty] +1 for save and i already have two usecases for this that could greatly simplify how i track certain things to listen to or watch!
# [schmarty] there are some supporter-only podcast episodes on dr.ip, but dr.ip doesn't actually provide podcast feeds. i wrote a little script to manually create a feed for myself, but having an indiepaper-like "listen later" would be great. like a personal huffduffer.
# [schmarty] similarly, i get frustrated at having Watch Later lists on multiple services and feel like there aren't many ways to queue up youtube or vimeo (or other) videos for watching later.
# [schmarty] aaronpk: that sounds like a fun standalone microsub client bridge??
# [schmarty] (i.e. maybe somebody else can be poked to do it)
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# [cleverdevil] So, [aaronpk] what would be the best guide for implementing IndieAuth for Indiepaper?
# [cleverdevil] I've implemented a provider before, but never a client.
# [cleverdevil] (I just started lunch break and already implemented the Indiepaper macOS URI for auto-configuration)
# aaronpk I think this is the summary tutorial https://indieweb.org/obtaining-an-access-token
# [cleverdevil] :thumbsup:
# aaronpk also this but it might be more detail than you need https://www.w3.org/TR/indieauth/#authorization
# [cleverdevil] Man, it would be really nice if there was a simple JS library I could embed in the indiepaper website to do this more easily.
# [cleverdevil] Drop-in IndieAuth client support would be awesome.
# [schmarty] cleverdevil: micropub-helper can do much of this.
# [schmarty] kapowski is an example app that uses it: https://glitch.com/edit/#!/garrulous-smile?path=lib/micropub-auth.js:1:0
# [schmarty] that example is server-side with nodejs+express. that wrapper creates the various handlers for starting auth and handling the return callback.
# [cleverdevil] Awesome. I just want it to handle the IndieAuth part and provide me a token, and then I can generate a bookmarklet and macOS configuration URL.
# [cleverdevil] Hmm, this seems like server-side JS, not client-side.
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# [schmarty] [cleverdevil]: re server-vs-client yep, see above. however, the micropub-helper lib it relies on does support client side, assuming you don't run into CORS issue.
# [cleverdevil] Ah, of course.
# [cleverdevil] I think I'll have to do this with some server side voodoo, which is fine. It really shouldn't be that hard.
# [cleverdevil] I'm just being lazy 🙂
# [schmarty] i think of it as using the server as a proxy for the CORS things, mostly. plus handling the callback in client side feels weird and like it should basically use OAuth2 Implicit Grant at that point.
# [schmarty] that's one area where my OAuth2 understanding gets a little muddy without examples.
# [schmarty] i have a great book about the subject that i should probably consult :}
# [schmarty] since IndieAuth has no client secret, i see no reason why a browser-side app couldn't handle the callback step?
# [schmarty] rad. i had a lot of Thoughts about in-browser apps when i first learned about IndieWeb and was surprised to see almost no one doing it that way.
# [schmarty] still has lot of Thoughts about purely in-browser Micropub apps, but would probably include a fallback proxy mode for CORS workarounds.
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# myfreeweb the first version of micro-panel was able to indieauth purely in-browser https://github.com/myfreeweb/micro-panel/blob/f3f2442a8874d084b1f30923fdf0d5c0715bf06d/src/micro-panel.js#L358
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dougbeal !tell gRegorLove: I think your webmentions didn't like https://indie📚♣.🕸💍.ws
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gRegorLove I block suggestions for buying emoji domains. jk ;)
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Loqi gRegorLove: dougbeal left you a message 9 minutes ago: I think your webmentions didn't like https://indie📚♣.🕸💍.ws
# gRegorLove probably a unicode/mysql thing. My utf8mb4 support is not 100%
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ When it comes to the "conversation" side of what you're looking for, I think the biggest piece you're really missing is that http://Hypothes.is doesn't support sending webmentions. [more...]
https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/06/reply-to-ian-obyrne-relating-to-annotations/ (twitter.com/_/status/1015346521301061632)
# KartikPrabhu what is organizations
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "organizations" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "organizations is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# KartikPrabhu organizations is /organization
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loqi.me created /organizations (+25) "prompted by KartikPrabhu and redirect added by KartikPrabhu" (view diff)
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kartikprabhu.com edited /organization (+340) "stub permissions and transferring repos" (view diff)
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@judell ↩️ There's a project, https://github.com/judell/h_notify, that polls Hypothesis and send notifications by way of email, RSS, or Slack. It might be a starting point for a basic DIY webmention service. (twitter.com/_/status/1015351328757899264)
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# @LeonardoIFG #MicroSub a aula será na sala T305, a mesma da semana passada... (twitter.com/_/status/1015357232626765824)
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# KartikPrabhu snarfed: could you pop into #microformats for a bit?
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