#dev 2018-08-01

2018-08-01 UTC
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GWG aaronpk: Quill...when an error is returned, as well as no Location header, why does it not display the error more prominently?
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[jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] I got close on forking that flickr attribution tool to have correct mf2 for h-cite.....if everything was supposed to have u-photo
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[jgmac1106] But mapped out now if it was a featured or just treat it like a photo but with h-cite for the img
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KartikPrabhu SPAM
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KartikPrabhu one more
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dougbeal KartikPrabhu: can we sic one of the bots on them?
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KartikPrabhu I can't
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@tomcritchlow This indieweb blogging course looks very cool. If I had more time.... V curious about webmentions and the whole thing.... (twitter.com/_/status/1024471912284663808)
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@jgmac1106 Yes! This! I think we can really simplify the whole credentialing thing with webmentions. #OpenBadges. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/5370-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1024478090632851456)
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jgmac1106_ okay [chrisaldrich] now I have to learn how to set up my course pages to receive webmentions after your last post…..even if I just get your webmentions for everything it would be such a cool proof of concept
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@OnlineInstruct1 What the heck is a webmention? #Learning http://dld.bz/gVvfT (twitter.com/_/status/1024491688579026945)
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@tomcritchlow ↩️ Thanks! Would join likely with http://tomcritchlow.com which is a static site but have ideas for enabling webmentions on it. Just gotta find the time :) will take a deeper look for sure (twitter.com/_/status/1024492229673607168)
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[chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] are your course pages running on WordPress or something else?
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[snarfed] !tell GWG *great* q for aaronpk on Quill's error reporting! file a feature request? or send a PR? 😁
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG I think I will try something on the endpoint side too
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Loqi GWG: [snarfed] left you a message 2 minutes ago: *great* q for aaronpk on Quill's error reporting! file a feature request? or send a PR? 😁
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dgold just make the channel +m and use +v already
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dgold chrissakes, Loqi has @ops
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KartikPrabhu dgold: Loqi is the one kicking people
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KartikPrabhu if the channel is +m the only +v users can chat
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dgold fine
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dgold until this crap is gone?
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jgmac1106 do we have a facebook group we could use instead?
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jeremych- Hahaha
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Loqi hehe
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dgold I though I fixed that
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dgold jeremych-: could you retype that ^ line?
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dgold then tell me if you've done it?
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jeremych- Which line? The hahaha or the one about the ignore?
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dgold the one that starts I though I fixed it
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jeremych- I though I fixed that
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dgold excellent!
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jeremych- Done it
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dgold my regex skills have not deserted me.
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dgold tremble before my powers
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jeremych- Have you got autocorrect doing spiffy things for you?
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dgold oops, wrong channel.
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dgold no, I wrote a filter for my irc client, and used some regexes derived from the spamflood
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@forwebdev Webmentions Обзор и примеры применения нового стандарта, позволяющего сайтам упоминать материалы друг друга и отслеживать эти упоминания → https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1024610881769033729)
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Zegnat regex++
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Loqi regex has 1 karma in this channel (3 overall)
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jeremych- And that Russian post is kosher.
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@ivan_0biwan Webmentions is a great thing against monopolisation on the web, but I think it can be strongly abused for spam or something else https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1024625903136112640)
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@ivan_0biwan Webmentions is a great thing against monopolisation on the web, but I think people will strongly abuse them for spam or other purposes https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1024626471220994053)
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@petermolnar ↩️ @ivan_0biwan See https://indieweb.org/Vouch and potential other brainstormings here: https://indieweb.org/2016/Brighton/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1024627410757738502)
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@ux_curator Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet https://buff.ly/2K8R3zz (twitter.com/_/status/1024627807765315584)
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@esjewett ↩️ @nlsltz The ideas, sure, but I don’t think that’s the goal with http://micro.blog. Webmentions and related technologies, maybe. (twitter.com/_/status/1024637080721387520)
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aaronpk i'm going to take a look at what I can do to Quill today
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@jgmac1106 @johnjohnston Trying to send you a webmention but this one also syndicated through Twitter. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/5401-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1024654518917783552)
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jgmac1106 If there are any mac users who could provide some disk utility support I am trying to figure out where my 300gigs of “other” files live on my computer….I shouldn’t have 300 gigs of anything, unless my screencast tool saves temp files locally…hmmm
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jgmac1106 lost my video with [johnjohnston] halfway through…it was good too
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jgmac1106 okay I was right…..I think I have 300 gigs of screencast…do I back them up or walk them away…..but not philsophy in dev
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jgmac1106 …..and I backed them up. I just can’t get rid of data
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aaronpk Loqi++
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petermolnar aaronpk++
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Loqi petermolnar: Zegnat left you a message 1 day, 3 hours ago: “why u no webring?” I no webring coz webring not likey my indieauth before ;)
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[snarfed] [jgmac1106] if you still need it, http://www.derlien.com
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@feedpushr Webmentions: enabling better communication on the Internet http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/thechangelog/~3/8rSBLWREsAE/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1024670590110769152)
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@vinta_rss_bot Webmentions: enabling better communication on the Internet https://ift.tt/2O3PqXd (twitter.com/_/status/1024671313691136000)
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@ErikKyleNielsen Webmentions: enabling better communication on the Internet https://ift.tt/2O3PqXd (twitter.com/_/status/1024671853216968704)
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aaronpk :sigh:
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aaronpk opened up Quill to work on fixing some stuff, and that requires updating its indieauth client library, and that requires updating the version of xray it uses, and that requires updating the mf2 parser
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aaronpk so now I'm looking at php-mf2 to see if there's enough to cut a release so I can stop using the -dev version
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eli_oat aaronpk++
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jeremych- Yeah; I'm seeing weirdness from Quill. No location header.
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk yeah that just means the micropub endpoint failed
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aaronpk but quill was meant to be a tool to help people building micropub endpoints debug their stuff, and then eventually turned into something people actually use
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aaronpk so the errors were never intended to make sense to end users and now they need to
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jeremych- Two minutes after it succeeded? Oh well, manual doesn't hurt.
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[snarfed] mmm the smell of fresh yak in the morning
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ludovic.chabant.com edited /POSSE (+186) "Add entry about SiloRider." (view diff)
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ludovic.chabant.com edited /POSSE (+2) "Fix Ravi's title level" (view diff)
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snarfed any suggestions on which HTTP status code to return when an upstream response is too big?
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snarfed specifically, when someone asks granary to convert a page like https://eddiehinkle.com/all , and i have it refuse because it's 24MB
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snarfed 413 HTTP Request Entity Too Large seems inappropriate since that's for the request itself
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snarfed 422 Unprocessable Entity?
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snarfed maybe i'm overthinking this and i should just return 400
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Zegnat snarfed, I’d be tempted to return a 5xx error? The client didn’t actually do anything wrong requesting granary to convert a URL, the server is just chosing not to process it?
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snarfed Zegnat: sure! so...which one? :P
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snarfed 422 actually looks better than any of the 5xxes i'm looking at: https://httpstatuses.com/422
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snarfed i guess maybe 507 https://httpstatuses.com/507
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aaronpk 4xx seems right because you're telling the client to do something different
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sknebel 507 that's a WebDAV code
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aaronpk 5xx would mean something went wrong on the server and the client can probably try again
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snarfed has successfully nerd sniped himself
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sknebel do you need a special code? otherwise just 400 and an error message IMHO
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snarfed 400 seems fine
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snarfed meh
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Zegnat 422 looks interesting, never seen it before.
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snarfed it's also webdav
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snarfed meh
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snarfed argh eddiehinkle.com is giving curl the Content-Length header, but not python, and i haven't figured out why yet
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snarfed (not user agent sniffing, tried same user agent)
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sknebel snarfed: I don't get a content length when I ask for gzio
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sknebel *gzip
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snarfed sknebel: ah thanks that may be it
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@shinesandjecker Nice read on webmentions, why they're useful, and how to use them. https://sjlabs.co/2JYG63r https://t.co/14rBw5g0n6 (twitter.com/_/status/1024722441376026624)
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@jgphilpin Apparently http://micro.blog handles Webmentions out of the box. Maybe I have a different box? https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1024732056247574529)
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Zegnat Are they saying webmentions do not work on mb for them? ^^^
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boffosocko.com edited /Indieweb_for_Education (+144) "Video section; No Digital Facelifts: Thinking the Unthinkable About Open Educational Experiences" (view diff)
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dougbeal Looks like a RSS feed blog, which complicates things
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aaronpk now back to work on what I was *trying* to do this morning before getting lost in php-mf2
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snarfed mmm yak meat
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sknebel .oO
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aaronpk XRay passes all the tests with php-mf2 0.4.4 \o/
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gRegorLove woo!
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gRegorLove aaronpk, when you get a chance can you update the php.microformats.io? Just realized it's still on 0.3.2
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aaronpk hm is that auto deployed from the github site?
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aaronpk looks like it might be
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gRegorLove I thought that was just the main site not the subdomains. I don't know Ruby very well
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aaronpk it's running on heroku and I see a github hook configured to heroku
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aaronpk I can give it a shot
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aaronpk otherwise I don't k now how to update it
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GWG snarfed, re static vs self...static and self are the same effectively speaking unless you inherit
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aaronpk and then it depends on the PHP version :P
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snarfed GWG: wow really?! that is so counterintuitive and different from most other languages. i now regret ever using classes in PHP.
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aaronpk lol!
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aaronpk oh, I see the confusion
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aaronpk this is because every request loads the whole thing from scratch, there is no keeping state between requests
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snarfed aaronpk: is that guaranteed though? couldn't you run wordpress in fastcgi or wsgi or anything similar?
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aaronpk pretty sure it still blanks everything out between requests
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snarfed i have to assume big hosts like wpengine or wp.com do something like that
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aaronpk I think it only keeps the precompile step between requests
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snarfed scary to depend on that for correctness though
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aaronpk it's pretty convenient to know you can't leak stuff across requests
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snarfed seems like restarting the runtime would be a big performance hit for that kind of minor convenience
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snarfed :shrug:
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aaronpk here's the difference between self:: and static:: http://php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.late-static-bindings.php
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aaronpk it's not restarting the whole runtime
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snarfed thanks, ok
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aaronpk there's actually a config option in fpm that sets the max number of requests a process will handle before it gets restarted
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aaronpk can't find a page describing the actual lifecycle of the worker tho
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snarfed oh sure, wsgi etc do that too