#dev 2018-08-02

2018-08-02 UTC
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GWG snarfed, so do you still want me to change it?
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snarfed GWG: self to static? eh no i don't care, you know better than me which one is appropriate
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GWG snarfed: I always use self, because it reflects the last class in the inheritance to my understanding.
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GWG But, either way, aaronpk is right, it doesn't keep state between requests.
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snarfed ok. scary, but ok. then i guess i'm ok without initializing static::$error, but i'd still rather not use it for control flow
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GWG snarfed: I think you are misinterpreting one issue.
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snarfed ...?
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GWG The only thing the $error property is used for is returning a more detailed and compliant error message instead of the REST default for authorization/authentication. When the Micropub endpoint errors, it returns directly.
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snarfed hmm ok, looking
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snarfed ok GWG i get it. thanks for the explanation. expand the static::$error comment to explain that it's used this way, and why, and i'm ok with it :P
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@TheUXList Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet https://ift.tt/2O4nxgG #TUXL (twitter.com/_/status/1024829820197171200)
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aaronpk whoa quill has a feature that's been broken so long I forgot about it entirely
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aaronpk it was supposed to show you the last response from your micropub endpoint on the note interface. definitely a debugging tool!
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GWG aaronpk: The error messages in Quill need improvement, by the way
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aaronpk i'm getting there
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GWG Okay
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aaronpk I started this morning and went down a dependency hole
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aaronpk popping back up now
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GWG Yay
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Loqi yay!
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aaronpk had to launch an update to the php-mf2 parser lol
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aaronpk GWG: https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-08-01-19-16-47-oFrdnSsg6o.jpg
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aaronpk is there anything else I can include that would be helpful?
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GWG Great
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[snarfed] GWG when people complain about the missing location header error, is that quill?
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[xavierroy] [aaronpk] any chance of displaying the JSON/html sent to the micropub endpoint ?
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GWG I very much want a Microsub endpoint right now.
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dougbeal Quill needs a media enpoint before it will upload pictures?
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GWG dougbeal: Coming soon
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GWG But it should do form encoded
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dougbeal It just returns the dreaded no location, so who knows
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GWG What does the error message actually say
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GWG Below it?
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dougbeal Your endpoint did not return a Location header.
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dougbeal See Creating a Micropub Endpoint for more information.
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GWG I asked aaronpk to fix that message. I think he just did
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aaronpk Ijust launched that
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dougbeal oh, was a safari problem
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dougbeal hurm
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dougbeal Worked in Chrome
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dougbeal but I got an error in Safari https://gist.github.com/dougbeal/3edda0b20786459a1a823e085d448368
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dougbeal Also some resource loading errors
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dougbeal wut? failed to load this blog <img src="blob:https://quill.p3k.io/e7b776de-0476-4b3d-8861-9d7dbf4d401e" alt="micro.blog verified https://dougbeal.com" title="micro.blog verified https://dougbeal.com">
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dougbeal Oh, wait they all worked? have 3 posts now :(
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[matpacker] aaronpk: I'm getting a "Whoops, looks like something went wrong." from https://aperture.p3k.io when I try to login.
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aaronpk [matpacker]: hm weird. Are you able to log in to Quill or Micropub.rocks or anything else?
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[matpacker] aaronpk: I can login to micro.blog, indieauth.com, ownyourswarm.p3k.io
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[matpacker] aaronpk: can't login to quill.p3k.io, aperture.p3k.io
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aaronpk Interesting. What software is your site running?
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[matpacker] wordpress
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aaronpk Does Quill give you any more details on the error?
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[matpacker] Slim Application Error
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aaronpk wow. Can you screenshot that or paste all the text into an etherpad doc?
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[matpacker] https://gist.github.com/matpacker/4a08e485ea425ddfd261028fd25c470c
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aaronpk 😯
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aaronpk whoa
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aaronpk i will have to look at this tomorrow
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[matpacker] No worries Aaron
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[ryan339] is there a reason why the micropub update command can’t return a 202 like create in the case where the update will result in a new url for the post?
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Loqi Welcome, [ryan339]. We've had an influx of IRC spam recently, and you were not yet recognized as a non-spammer. Your previous message wasn't sent to the channel, but I'm repeating it below so everyone can see it. You are now marked as verified, so your future messages will be sent as normal.
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Loqi [ryan339]: is there a reason why the micropub update command can’t return a 202 like create in the case where the update will result in a new url for the post?
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gRegorLove Hm, I do get some PHP warnings when php-mf2 tries to parse http://matpacker.com, but not an ErrorException
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gRegorLove Same error though "DOMNode::appendChild(): Document Fragment is empty"
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gRegorLove Oops, line 856 for me as well; didn't have the 0.4.4 yet
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[matpacker] I just ran the authdiag gist on my site again, there's a few errors popping up with headers being stripped again. Back to Dreamhost I go....
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@_Goodmanfox Webmentions: what if websites could notify each other about links? https://buff.ly/2NtLGgp #ux #cx https://t.co/z9ByYRIPBN (twitter.com/_/status/1024913197269180417)
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dgold serious props to (I presume) aaronpk for the loqi antispam
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jgmac1106 [chrisaldrich] I figured out why you don’t see the link to the feed. I need to learn clear-cache rules better. My <nav> is getting cached in Chrome I think
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jjuran How does Loqi identify spammers preemptively?
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cweiske what is loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/Loqi
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cweiske -> Anti-Spam
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jjuran Does Loqi see unvoiced messages?
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cweiske no idea
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sknebel yes it does, that's the trick
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cweiske is this the IRC protocol?
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cweiske every client gets unvoiced messages and then decides if it should display it according to room settings?
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sknebel no, it's part of the channel modes
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sknebel +m is moderated (only people with voice can talk)
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sknebel +z weakens moderation, bans, ... so that users that normally can't talk can talk, but only channel ops can see it
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cweiske ah, thanks
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[kevinmarks] Interesting https://www.quantamagazine.org/teenager-finds-classical-alternative-to-quantum-recommendation-algorithm-20180731/
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aaronpk good morning!
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Loqi guten morgen
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dougbeal good morning
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@ManifestZone We're exploring the use of webmentions on our site. If you want to try it out, visit any of our posts and drop a URL to your reply on your own site where you've linked to our page. If you don't know what webmentions are: https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1025040126123098112)
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[kim_landwehr] Trying to get quill.io to work with my blot.im site at http://kimlosey.me and I keep getting this error HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden
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[kim_landwehr] Server: nginx/1.14.0
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[kim_landwehr] Content-Type: application/json
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[kim_landwehr] Transfer-Encoding: chunked
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[kim_landwehr] Connection: keep-alive
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[kim_landwehr] X-Powered-By: PHP/7.2.7-1+ubuntu16.04.1+deb.sury.org+1
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[kim_landwehr] Cache-Control: no-cache, private
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[kim_landwehr] Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2018 15:43:34 GMT
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[kim_landwehr] {“error”:“forbidden”}
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[kim_landwehr] not sure what to look for or correct, any help would be appreciated
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aaronpk I wasn't aware that blot.im supported micropub
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aaronpk looking at kimlosey.me... there's a bunch of HTML pasted in there that shouldn't be. there are two <link rel="microsub" tags (you should have only one), and the "micropub" link points to aperture which won't work because aperture is not meant to do that
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aaronpk okay time to tackle this weird php-mf2 issue
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@IamDustinGroves Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet https://drumup.io/s/ZCDu9P (twitter.com/_/status/1025055123695955972)
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[kim_landwehr] [aaronpk] thanks that helped, I still need to work on it but at least the error is gone
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aaronpk great
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gRegorLove What is Blot?
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Loqi Blot is an open source blogging platform built by David Merfield that uses Dropbox to store your content https://indieweb.org/Blot
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gRegorLove What is blot.im?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "blot.im" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "blot.im is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove blot.im is /Blot
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /blot.im (+17) "prompted by gRegorLove and redirect added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 @johnjohnston Just got some webmentions from you from like a few months ago. Maybe you are getting things sorted. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/5458-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1025099918338404352)
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@johnjohnston ↩️ Replied to INTERTEXTrEVOLUTION by Greg McVerry Greg McVerry (http://jgregorymcverry.com) @johnjohnston Just got some webmentions from you from like a few months ago. Maybe you are getting things sorted. @jgmac1106 yes I seem to, while debugging something… http://johnjohnston.info/blog/wordpress-cron/ (twitter.com/_/status/1025101507094622208)
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@jgmac1106 Here is the webmention I also syndicate through Bridgy. Let me know if you get one or both. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/5463-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1025102370664050688)
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@EchoChamberUncu Replied to Discovery Test #1 by Webmention Rocks! (http://webmention.rocks)This post advertises its Webmention… | john https://educationechochamberuncut.wordpress.com/2018/08/02/replied-to-discovery-test-1-by-webmention-rocks-webmention-rocksthis-post-advertises-its-webmention-john/ (twitter.com/_/status/1025126577934422018)
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@EchoChamberUncu Replied to INTERTEXTrEVOLUTION by Greg McVerry (@johnjohnston" target="_blank">http://jgregorymcverry.com)@johnjohnston Just got some webmentions… | john https://educationechochamberuncut.wordpress.com/2018/08/02/replied-to-intertextrevolution-by-greg-mcverry-jgregorymcverry-comjohnjohnston-just-got-some-webmentions-john/ (twitter.com/_/status/1025126617729912832)
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@rektide ↩️ I'm 100% for better weaving the strands of the web together. Webmentions definitely implement a key capability for making that happen. (twitter.com/_/status/1025130687786049538)
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@johnjohnston ↩️ Replied to INTERTEXTrEVOLUTION by Greg McVerry Greg McVerry (http://jgregorymcverry.com) Here is the webmention I also syndicate through Bridgy. Let me know if you get one or both. @jgmac1106 I got neither I am afraid, My wp-config.php now has… http://johnjohnston.info/blog/disable_wp_cron/ (twitter.com/_/status/1025132884594704389)
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jgmac1106 [johnjohnston] I tried that….somethngs are juts really hard to figure out
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tantek.com edited /dweb2018 (+100) "note how far I got in 4 minutes" (view diff)
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@EddieHinkle ↩️ The server he talks about is now available with limited history (https://aperture.eddiehinkle.com/pricing), and all of the current Microsub clients are free. But you do need a website to login because IndieAuth uses a URL: https://indigenous.abode.pub/ios/help/[#indieauth](… https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/08/02/26/reply/ (twitter.com/_/status/1025142181764521985)
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@EddieHinkle ↩️ The server he talks about is now available with limited history (https://aperture.p3k.io/pricing), and all of the current Microsub clients are free. But you do need a website to login because IndieAuth uses a URL: https://indigenous.abode.pub/ios/help/#indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/1025142752437317633)
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[eddie] Ah, Loqi caught my typo tweet before I deleted it
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aaronpk Loqi sees everything
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[eddie] 😂
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@EchoChamberUncu Replied to INTERTEXTrEVOLUTION by Greg McVerry (http://jgregorymcverry.com)Here is the webmention I also syndicate… | john https://educationechochamberuncut.wordpress.com/2018/08/02/replied-to-intertextrevolution-by-greg-mcverry-jgregorymcverry-comhere-is-the-webmention-i-also-syndicate-john/ (twitter.com/_/status/1025155471957782531)
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@mattl ↩️ @davewiner Have you seen indieauth? https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth (twitter.com/_/status/1025159953986727936)
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