#dev 2018-08-03

2018-08-03 UTC
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oodani is it legal for a micropub media endpoint to modify the file it receives before storing it, such as converting it to a different format? in particular, i'm pondering uploading .bmp files from a 3ds, which is incapable of converting to .png - would it be acceptable for the media endpoint to perform the conversion to .png instead?
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oodani the spec does say that the server is permitted to ignore the provided filename, but not whether it's allowed to ignore/change/whatever the provided file type
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Zegnat oodani, my personal feeling is that the media server should not convert things. What if I am uploading a .bmp file to use as an example in a blogpost about the 3DS? But it is an interesting usecase for sure. mmmmm
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[kevinmarks] Scaling images is another case - you often want a thumbnail and full size, or other variants tuned to layout
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Ruxton Wordpress scales them but the original is always available
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[grantcodes] I think converting formats would be fine, if it's an image and you return a url to an image file that will work in a src attribute, that shouldn't really cause issues.
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[grantcodes] Video to gif would be cool, but then it wouldn't work in an img tag, so not such a good idea 😛
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[grantcodes] My endpoint resizes images but still returns the full image by default.
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Ruxton You have to consider the use case where you're "attaching media" though, that you don't want to convert
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Ruxton like what Zegnat described
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Zegnat According to RFC 7231 it is perfectly valid to return a 201 Created status even if you have created multiple files (say: a bmp and png). The Location header should link to the “primary resource”, which I would say is the file the user was uploading (the bmp), but you are allowed to point at alternates (the png) in the same response.
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Zegnat For 300 Multiple Choices the RFC mentions using Link headers (with rel alternate) to point at other options. I see no reason you couldn’t do that for 201 responses too. Link headers can contain media types (e.g. image/png). It will then be up to the uploading application to see if it would rather use an available rel-alternate or the actual file it uploaded.
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Zegnat You could, maybe, even extend the Link header to include the `sizes` parameter (as seen in the HTML standard) if you want the server to tell the client it has already generated some thumbnails.
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Zegnat should probably put this in a spec issue for further discussion
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@lostkobrakai ↩️ @dopitz @mindplaydk Webmentions for example (twitter.com/_/status/1025315122015817729)
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@alphaquad Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet Breaking down the walls between the internet?s many social silos, Webmentions offer a new level of freedom for web interactions. https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1025320463898234880)
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[kevinmarks] How would sizes work there? You rewrite the img link in the content to include a srcset?
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petermolnar I have a confession to make... I ditched server side syntax highlighting and went back to prism.js. The output of codehilite is sooooo verbose it boosted my pages with +60KB of text
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Zegnat Or you can just pick the one that makes sense. The actual Micropub client is going to know best what the purpose of its current post is, [kevinmarks]
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Zegnat Written up a proposal for allowing Link headers, and included the basis I think it has in HTTP spec. Given the BMP&PNG example as well as the multiple image sizes example. https://github.com/w3c/Micropub/issues/113
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Loqi [Zegnat] #113 Allow media endpoint to return alternative / automatically generated files
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GWG I like your proposal for the media endpoint
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oodani i like it too! c:
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GWG My endpoint already generates different sizes
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Zegnat Thanks! :) I think it is an interesting idea for sure.
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Zegnat GWG if your (WordPress?) endpoint already does the size generating, maybe comment and throw in an intent-to-implement?
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GWG Zegnat: It does solely because WordPress does that automatically anyway
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Zegnat Do you know the URLs for those generated images? That is, could you put them in the media endpoint response?
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jgmac1106 well I got webmention endpoints, webmention discovery, and sinatra gems installed…think that is as far as I am going to make it today, still no app or views yet, but atleast all my gems in place…need a static site gem…
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jgmac1106 brb
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GWG Zegnat: The system knows it, yes
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GWG Zegnat: And I do, sort of.
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jgmac1106 okay giving up for the day, trying to get my local dev environment going and ruby tells me my OpenSSL cert is out of date but everytime I run brew install openssl I am told I am up to date…I am both out of and up to date….that means kit kat break
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[grantcodes] !tell schmarty Being the only other user of the PostrChild extension that I know of, let me know if you get the new version and it still works for you 🙂
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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schmarty grantcodes: I ended up uninstalling it because the injected HTML was interfering with Patreon pages, crashing their react 😂
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Loqi schmarty: [grantcodes] left you a message 57 minutes ago: Being the only other user of the PostrChild extension that I know of, let me know if you get the new version and it still works for you 🙂
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[grantcodes] schmarty: Haha oops. I think that should be fixed now anyway
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schmarty grantcodes: nice! I’ll check it out again. One big thing I want to figure out is editing content in markdown, since I store it that way.
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[grantcodes] Hmm, yeah that might be difficult. If your micropub endpoint returns markdown from the source query it would get loaded into the editor, but the update request would wrap it with a `p` tag at minimum just now
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[grantcodes] Or you could do html > markdown on an update request? That editor won't add anything too complicated at the moment
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@MIGHTYminnow “Webmentions help to break down some of the artificial walls being built within the internet and so help create a more open and decentralized web. ” https://buff.ly/2NtLGgp (twitter.com/_/status/1025415517077684224)
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tantek__ !tell snarfed see https://github.com/google/data-transfer-project
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [google] data-transfer-project: The Data Transfer Project makes it easy for people to transfer their data between online service providers. We are establishing a common framework, including data models and protocols, to enable direct transfer of data both into and out of participating online service providers.
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tantek__ looks like it's all based on OAuth
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tantek__ and a big opportunity for Bridgy to participate IMO, as importer and exporter on behalf of the user - or perhaps a different Bridgy-like service
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sknebel assuming they'll let random entities play
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tantek__ that's the claim
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tantek__ AMA
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sknebel that sounds good, what I had read before sounded more like limited interaction between blessed companies
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[cleverdevil] Its now been two weeks since I opened an issue with Apple which is preventing me from releasing Indiepaper for iOS.
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[cleverdevil] Still nothing.
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sknebel :/
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[cleverdevil] Sigh.
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tantek__ just asked about "delta transfers"
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gregorlove.com edited /POSSE (+397) "/* Articles */ + benwerd's Stepping back from POSSE" (view diff)
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tantek__ !tell snarfed any way to tell how many Twitter accounts has Bridgy publish published to? Has Bridgy backfeed backfed from?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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dougbeal Putting img alt-text into twitter seems like it would force you to leave it blank
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Zegnat It is not so much that images are being syndicated to Twitter. But if you put an image inside a post’s content, the plain text parsing of microformats2 will replace it with its alt text.
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jgmac1106 okay that makes sense
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Zegnat Trying to keep the content complete in its plain text version. E.g. if you are including an image in a comment but the receiving site only displays plain text comments it might make more sense to show the proper alt value than to leave out part of your comment.
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Zegnat But there is ongoing debate about this.
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dougbeal yeah... I wonder if bridy included the picture, or is it a preview of my link
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dougbeal https://twitter.com/murderofcrows/status/1025467072061435904
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@murderofcrows Homebrew Website Club Logo by Malcolm Blaney Homebrew Website Club - Seattle Area - August 8th at Wayward Coffee House (https://crw.moe/b/c7) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Djsw3aTU4AA310Q.png (twitter.com/_/status/1025467072061435904)
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sknebel that's an uploaded image
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Zegnat In the case of this specific post, the image might have made sense as a featured image (https://indieweb.org/featured). This could be placed outside of the post content, and a service like Bridgy will still use it: https://indieweb.org/featured#Bridgy
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sknebel it is a featured image
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sknebel but also in the bridgy-content propert
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sknebel y
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Zegnat https://dougbeal.com/2018/08/03/homebrew-website-club-seattle-area-august-8th/ - the image isn’t a featured image?
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sknebel Zegnat: use the source ,it's not the svg at the top
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sknebel <a href="https://www.brid.gy/publish/twitter"></a><p class="p-bridgy-twitter-content" style="display:none"><meta property="og:image" name="twitter:image" content="https://dougbeal.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/hwc_558x558.png" /><img class="u-featured alignleft" src="https://dougbeal.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/hwc_558x558.png" alt="Homebrew Website Club Logo by Malcolm Blaney" />Homebrew Website Club - Seattle Area - August 8th
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sknebel at Wayward Coffee House</p>
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dougbeal I had the .svg version as the featured image originally, but that can't go to twitter
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sknebel so did you add the image to a bridgy-publish specific setting, or what did happen?
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Zegnat Oh, woops, I wasn’t looking at p-bridgy-twitter-content. This is what happens when you have hidden data instead of your HTML :P
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dougbeal blame twitter ;)
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Zegnat Still, I think the solution is to move the images outside of the content property if you do not think they are supposed to show as inline-content.
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sknebel yes, question is if dougbeal did that manually or if that's something a plugin has to fi
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sknebel x
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Zegnat You can probably move the <img class="u-featured"> to outside of the p-bridgy-twitter-content div and just give it a style="display:none;". I expect Bridgy will pick it up as the featured image of the URL, no need for it to be nested as it is.
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dougbeal I added an exerpt when it reject the PNG
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dougbeal err, SVG
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sknebel and the image in the excerpt? then I think the answer for now is have the image with alt="", or use some other way to get u-featured on the image
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dougbeal Yeah, or up my alt-text game so it makes sense inline
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Zegnat Could you use a picture element for the SVG and put the IMG to the PNG in there as fallback? Then you could add the featured class to the nested IMG for mf2 parsers to pick up on. Then you may be able to get rid of the special Twitter excerpt entirely?
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Zegnat Although you’d still need to move it out of the .content block if you don’t want any alt to be part of the content ...
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @mindplaydk Fortunately we have thought of that https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1025477654034690048)
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dougbeal Zegnat: that does sound ideal, I wonder how bridgy would do with it
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@EchoChamberUncu Replied to Discovery Test #2 by Webmention Rocks! (http://webmention.rocks)This post advertises its Webmention… | john https://educationechochamberuncut.wordpress.com/2018/08/03/replied-to-discovery-test-2-by-webmention-rocks-webmention-rocksthis-post-advertises-its-webmention-john/ (twitter.com/_/status/1025478289404514304)
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Zegnat Bridgy runs an mf2 parser. That shouldn’t have any issue finding the img.u-featured no matter where you put it. The trick is just to not give it an alt *and* put it inside .e-content if you do not want the alt as part of the page content :)
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[kevinmarks] You could use object for your svg and have a ping fallback for twitter https://css-tricks.com/a-complete-guide-to-svg-fallbacks/
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