#dev 2018-08-04

2018-08-04 UTC
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tantek__ thinking out loud, could karma be a form of distributed vouching, or maybe # of links from A to B rather than just existence of such a link
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tantek__ or even # of links over time, e.g. in the past year
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tantek__ could solve the problem of accidentally implying a vouch for someone just because you linked to them once
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tantek__ or another way - allowing vouch to be a multi-valued param, allowing multiple vouch URLs, and then perhaps depending on some % of them (or at least n of them) being valid
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tantek__ I've gotten private feedback to allow vouch to be multi-valued anyway - this might be a good use-case
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tantek__ I especially like the "at least n" (where n is perhaps only known to the webmention receiver) approach, because you can attempt verifying the series of vouch URLs until you have as many as you want
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tantek__ which begs the question of whether there should be an upperbound on # of vouch URLs a receiver is expected to process
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tantek__ to potentially process
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[jgmac1106] That is basically the way academia has done it since time eternal. Except we then complicate it more by the perceived credibility of where the publication is in an h score
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[jgmac1106] In a way be equivalent of a vouch from someone in the community with greater # links being able to give more "vouchiness" to someone with less
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[jgmac1106] I thi k though distributed karma would have to be community based, how do you dileneate a vouch from different groups?
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[jgmac1106] Could there ever be some kind of private hash you carry around in an hcard that could allow vouching within and group only syndication?
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[jgmac1106] What about geofenced karma... That I find intriguing
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[tantek] Does group difference matter for sake of vouching? I mean if you "know" the source why do their group affiliations matter?
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[tantek] Or are you using group affiliation as a proxy for "knowing" them?
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@apostolos2609 Epsealon Μαχαίρι Microsub https://www.must-dive.gr/υποβρυχιο-ψαρεμα/καταδυτικα-μαχαιρια/μαχαίρια-2599/epsealon-μαχαίρι-microsub-43711/ (twitter.com/_/status/1025690945491279873)
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[jgmac1106] Yeah maybe group doesn't matter but different communities put different value in who is vouching whom. A vouch from you might matter in this community but my teacher friends wouldn't care....but I guess I "aggregate" vouches to reflect different community values
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[kevinmarks] it is also contextual - mostly we manage this in our heads, but we weigh response differently depending on the person
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Zegnat “karma” is an interesting measurement for vouch. But decentralised karma sounds like a headache... BLOCKCHAIN perhaps? :P
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[jgmac1106] ha ha
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[jgmac1106] agree [kevinmarks] hard thing to quantify
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[jgmac1106] @zegnat I have seen some Karma tokenization ideas where the total amount of "mineable" karma is tied to total human population
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[jgmac1106] On another note I was referring to Karma and vouching in groups as I would also like to publish just to a group--semi private..then I get to chapter in Hertling'a book last night about "selective sharing" being one of the few flaws in the indieweb model
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[kevinmarks] an example I've used before is that you'd weigh a tech recommendation from someone differently than a food one, especially if they have different tastes
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[jgmac1106] that is a good example and I would want to weight my recommendation...a food recommendation from my mom, for example, is to be ignored
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Zegnat If you receive a comment to a piece about an indieweb tech from a stranger, but you see me vouching for that stranger, you might want to accept their comment on technology. But if a stranger comments on a personal photo you shared and their vouch is me, you may not want to accept that vouch because we have no social overlap.
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Zegnat So I guess groups could help you decide that way
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[jgmac1106] https://docs.google.com/document/d/19pJ3_xMyNX-bAZSHTXvnwr5xLWsV-ShVv3Vy1S4gN6E/edit?usp=sharing
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[jgmac1106] Kudos - a Validbook token. 1 KDS is generated per 1 living human daily. World human population is estimated for the next 100 years based on 2017 UN population prospects. See analysis here....that is tokenized karma to the extreme
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[jgmac1106] ....came out of the verifiable claims community group
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Zegnat They will be putting a monetary value on KDS? I am not sure if I’d like that for my karma
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Zegnat “I have x karma (KDS), so I am worth y (USD)!”
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Zegnat Having a “Statement of Unique Representation of Living Human Individual” sounds interesting, I’ll have to read a little more there
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@jgmac1106 @remikalir You have to check out what @chrisaldrich is doing with webmentions in my https://edu522.networkedlearningcollaborative.com class, he sends reads and watch posts to all assignments https://boffosocko.com./category/edu522/feed #digped (http://jgregorymcverry.com/5583-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1025803911872032774)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ I can't help but read this and think that there's a good use case for the Webmention spec here. Similar to my thinking in IndieWeb and Academic Research and Publishing, it seems relatively obvious that professors could be referencing the DOIs or [more...] https://boffosocko.com/2018/08/04/%f0%9f%91%93-learning-to-love-the-stable-link-uncommon-sense/ (twitter.com/_/status/1025807189774987265)
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[eddie] reacji << https://m.signalvnoise.com/introducing-boosts-an-all-new-way-to-show-your-support-in-basecamp-fae325634998
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Loqi ok, I added "https://m.signalvnoise.com/introducing-boosts-an-all-new-way-to-show-your-support-in-basecamp-fae325634998" to the "See Also" section of /reacji https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50639&oldid=47700
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