#dev 2018-08-27

2018-08-27 UTC
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GWG sighs
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sknebel ?
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GWG Too much to do
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aaronparecki.com created /WebManifest (+29) "Redirected page to [[Web App Manifest]]" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Web_App_Manifest (+1) "/* How to use for IndieAuth */ fix rel=redirect_url" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Web_App_Manifest (+495) "/* IndieWeb Usage */" (view diff)
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aaronpk Zegnat: there you go, 3 new examples ^^
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Zegnat Oh my!
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Zegnat I’ll update the survey in a bit :D
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petermolnar jet another json sidefile, wheeee
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Zegnat At least this one has a reputable standard, petermolnar. And several people are already using it so their homepages can be added to phone home screens (e.g. adactio)
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petermolnar I know. It's only the yes, add one more sidecar file problem
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petermolnar the same ~~could~~ should be achieved by pulling the site meta headers
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Zegnat rel-icon and meta application name will probably be fallbacks people implement, so you don’t have to have the WAM file. Also h-app for those who use an mf2 parser. Options abound.
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Zegnat Borrowing the WAM standard does make a lot of sense for the spec though
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aaronpk especially since i'm super worried that without a somewhat sane JSON format, i'll get a bunch of pushback to use the openid connect discovery document which is way worse than this
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Zegnat OpenID Connect Discovery uses .well-known?
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aaronpk I believe so
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aaronpk oh it's even worse https://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-discovery-1_0.html#ProviderConfig
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aaronpk "OpenID Providers supporting Discovery MUST make a JSON document available at the path formed by concatenating the string /.well-known/openid-configuration to the Issuer"
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aaronpk some implementations have an issuer URL that contains a path, so this led to some implementations making the document available at https://example.com/issuer1/.well-known/openid-configuration
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Zegnat Yeah, I was just reading that
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Zegnat I love how they do /.well-known/ after non-hostnames, just appending it to paths. That’s not how this usually works, right?
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aaronpk yeah no not at all
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Zegnat Then I remember correctly and don’t have to go check the RFC again :P
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Zegnat This doesn’t feel like something that should be propogated in other standards... do you know if other OAuth extensions may already be using it?
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aaronpk I don't know of any, but most of what i'm tracking is oauth and openid connect, not some of the other fringe stuff
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Zegnat Gotcha
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aaronparecki.com edited /Web_App_Manifest (+577) "add ownyourgram, indielogin.com, teacup" (view diff)
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ludovicchabant hey here, does anybody have clever ways to handle incoming WebMentions with static websites? I'm currently implementing that quickly stores the WM data in a json file, and a cron job that takes this data, redistributes it to each appropriate page, and re-generates the website if there was anything new.
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ludovicchabant s/implementing that/implementing something that/
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[kevinmarks] there's webmention.herokuapp.com and webmentio.io
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[kevinmarks] er webmention.io
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[kevinmarks] they both accept WM and have a js api
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ludovicchabant No but I mean: what to do after you’ve gotten the mention
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ludovicchabant Like, WordPress has a plug-in that will show stuff under the article, but static websites are... static
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ludovicchabant So I was wondering if there was any cool stuff people did with their static website
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ludovicchabant Otherwise I’ll just keep going with my current implementation idea — it should be fine
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aaronpk your approach sounds like a DIY version of how people use webmention.io with static sites
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aaronpk some people use webmention.io to collect all the mentions, then rebuild their site periodically by pulling the data out of the API
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gRegorLove What is Morris?
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Loqi Morris is a self-hosted PHP service for storing Webmentions from webmention.io in a JSON format that static sites can use to render them without querying webmention.io on each build https://indieweb.org/Morris
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gRegorLove another option
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@megarush1024 ↩️ It's not a client in that sense. It's a service you use to connect a website to syndicate content from a website supporting microformats 2, and then to receive incoming webmentions from platforms like Twitter. (twitter.com/_/status/1034137602708975616)
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@megarush1024 ↩️ Bridgy syndicates those as tweets based on content type, and then, when people reply or like or retweet on Twitter, those interactions come back as webmentions which are displayed as comments under the original. (twitter.com/_/status/1034138021464031232)
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[kevinmarks] 1st tweet in that series https://twitter.com/megarush1024/status/1034115278685327360?s=19
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@megarush1024 Interesting. Twitter keeps automatically revoking authorization when I attempt to authorize Bridgy to receive and/or publish. Is anyone else seeing this? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1034115278685327360)
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[tantek] Hmm snarfed are you seeing any weirdness like that ^^^
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GWG Hi all
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GWG I am trying to switch from regex
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GWG I took my original regex from WordPress and it seems ill suited for parsing HTML
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[tantek] Right, I believe the current approach is to scrape inside HTML *comments* with regex
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GWG I am trying to find a good explanation of better ways to parse HTML
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GWG For my own use
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Zegnat GWG: use an html parser?
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GWG Yes, I need a reference guide
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Zegnat I recommend https://github.com/Masterminds/html5-php for PHP.
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Loqi [Masterminds] html5-php: An HTML5 parser and serializer for PHP.
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GWG I already include it for php-mf2 in one project
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GWG Semantic Linkbacks doesn't though
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Zegnat It handles modern html slightly better than php's own DOMDocument.
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GWG I should just read the php mf2 code
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Zegnat Happy to help if you are wondering about something. Don't really know any primers...
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Zegnat mf2 mostly uses XPath to find elements that match specific requirements
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GWG Which is what I want to switch to
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GWG I did it in Indieauth to get icons and properties
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GWG So, I want to switch from regex in my other project
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Zegnat Sounds like a plan!
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GWG I think I can cut a lot of code
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GWG Wonder why the original code in WordPress didn't
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GWG I checked, and they use xpath elsewhere
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GWG Is there a performance issue?
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Zegnat Shouldn't be... Compatibility reasons?
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GWG That's why I checked
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GWG They include SimplePie, which uses it
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GWG I searched their repo
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Zegnat Then I'm not sure. Running regex on a big enough file can run into performance problems too.
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GWG I could track down the developer, but the code was removed from WordPress anyway
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GWG So, I assume that I have nothing to worry about except better results
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GWG I am enhancing my ogp to mf2 parser
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GWG If there is no mf2 then it tries to find information elsewhere to fill in the blanks
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GWG I also have this consistency issue pfefferle pointed out where sometimes I store as mf2, sometimes jf2 and often forget the type
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ludovicchabant aaronpk: ok thanks!
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ludovicchabant gRegorLove: thanks too :)
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tantek__ what is an SSD?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "SSD" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "SSD is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek__ hmm well in case someone is running their own indieweb server with SSD drives: https://blog.okmeter.io/real-world-ssd-wearout-a3396a35c663
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tantek__ wow this is another great expression of avoiding architecture astronautics: https://hacksoflife.blogspot.com/2018/08/solve-less-general-problems.html
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tantek__ architecture astronomy << 2018-08-11 The Hacks of Life: [https://hacksoflife.blogspot.com/2018/08/solve-less-general-problems.html Solve Less General Problems]
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-08-11 The Hacks of Life: [https://hacksoflife.blogspot.com/2018/08/solve-less-general-problems.html Solve Less General Problems]" to the "See Also" section of /architecture_astronomy https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51340&oldid=50275
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tantek__ anyone here running their IndieWeb site on an Arduino? I know someone at IWC SF recently demonstrated their site running on one! They had to configure and reboot to change display output resolution, and of course rebooting took seconds. It was amazing. But in case you're an Arduino user: https://praeclarum.org/2018/08/27/oops-i-wrote-a-c-compiler.html
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aaronpk an arduino?? not a raspberry pi?
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tantek__ ok now I'm not sure
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tantek__ maybe it was a pi. will have to watch the demo video
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tantek__ which reminds me
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gRegorLove that was a pi iirc
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[cleverdevil] waves
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[cleverdevil] FYI, I implemented the beginnings of "?q=source" for Known's Micropub implementation.
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[cleverdevil] No paging or querying, yet.
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[cleverdevil] I may try and get to that this weekend, if I have some time (its a busy week).
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@DataG Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet | A List Apart http://bit.ly/2LsmrK0 (twitter.com/_/status/1034203162616328193)
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[kevinmarks] Heh at the problem space there. DV is really easy to edit as every frame is the exact same number of bytes. You can just use cat from the command line.
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[kevinmarks] Though ironically we had the opposite problem ta apples
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[kevinmarks] *at Apple
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[kevinmarks] imovie was written without using QuickTime and only worked on DV over firewire. We had the abstraction, and it was a good one, which incorporated DV, but they didn't use it because they were too stealth to ask our advice.
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[kevinmarks] Then when they were told to support other video formats from digital cameras they had to rewrite the whole thing.
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aaronpk finding myself want to search within channels in my reader for specific keywords
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@miklb Are you an #indieweb #WordPress user? We could use your help testing the latest version of micropub and Indieauth plugins. Drop by https://chat.indieweb.org/wordpress for details or ping me here. Thanks! (twitter.com/_/status/1034222308175400961)
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vilhalmer aaronpk: the pgp verify button on indielogin refuses to enable itself, want me to file a bug?
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aaronpk it will enable itself when the text changes to include "BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE"
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aaronpk also make sure you allow javascript
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vilhalmer hmm, both of those things should have been true
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vilhalmer I wonder what in my browser is breaking it
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aaronpk it's still working fine for me in chrome
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aaronpk what browser are you using?
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vilhalmer also chrome
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vilhalmer I'll play extension whackamole :)
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aaronpk whe
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aaronpk e
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vilhalmer oh, it has to be "BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE"
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vilhalmer maybe I'm using the wrong flags on gpg
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vilhalmer ah yeah was using `-s` instead of `-b`
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vilhalmer either validates, though
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aaronpk my gpg results in "BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE" and that was recognized by indielogin
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vilhalmer huh, I even hard-reloaded to make sure I didn't have stale code
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aaronpk ohh
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aaronpk indielogin is looking for "BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE" but what it really needs is a PGP SIGNED MESSAGE that also includes the signature
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aaronpk you should be giving it a string that looks like this https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-08-27-16-57-59-DV0K3ocdo2.jpg
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Loqi totally