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aaronpk GWG: XRay may end up making one or two HTTP requests when parsing a page, so you have to make sure to account for that. I haven't had any problems with it because I always make sure to plan for that though.
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GWG How would you represent image alternate text in jf2?
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@colorfield Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet http://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet via @alistapart (twitter.com/_/status/1035801440311300096)
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@derhess ↩️ Isn't the annotations standard by w3c for this kind of needs? https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/ this article summarised the key points very good https://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2018/08/28/all-about-open-annotation/ for some more functional link back, I can highly recommend to check the indieweb webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/1035818601557700608)
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[keithjgrant] Should micropub reposts actually be h-cites? Or, is there another way to post the original content with the repost-of?
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[keithjgrant] I guess ideally, the server should look up the reposted entry, if it wants to quote it, but that adds overhead that may be impractical for, say, a static site
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[keithjgrant] Man... Making changes to a tool to “scratch your own itch” gets interesting when the tool has over 100 users, doesn't it?
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GWG [keithjgrant]: Amen
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snarfed users are the worst. my favorite projects are the ones only i use.
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snarfed (kidding! ...mostly :P)
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GWG snarfed: What are you Bridging next?
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snarfed hah. a house
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[keithjgrant] haha
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GWG aaronpk keeps saying he's going to make a website for his home.
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achangeiscoming.net edited /diversity (+1346) "/* Improving diversity */" (view diff)
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achangeiscoming.net edited /diversity (+4) "/* Suggestions from a chat discussion */" (view diff)
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Zegnat Hmm. IndieAuth doesn’t offer a way for me to move identity, does it, aaronpk? I.e. communicate that the user example.com is henceforth example.org?
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aaronpk correct
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aaronpk if you set up your http redirects properly you can type in the old domain and end up at the new domain tho
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aaronpk it might be a matter of telling clients to treat a permanent redirect from a domain as moving an identity
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vilhalmer I really like that idea
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vilhalmer because then you can eventually let the old one expire
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aaronpk ultimately it's something that the client needs to support unfortunately
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aaronpk but that does seem possible
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vilhalmer (not ideal for link breaking reasons, but nevertheless)
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vilhalmer it seems like it could be part of the spec though, no?
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aaronpk it does
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vilhalmer I was thinking about this exact feature in the context of a wider dns-related identity idea the other day
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vilhalmer allowing you to have vanity domains that redirect to a more permanent, assigned identifier
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aaronpk that one is already supported by the spec
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vilhalmer and having clients store the latter so that it doesn't matter if the vanity domain sticks around
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aaronpk e.g. I can type in "aaronpk.com" and clients end up logging me in as "https://aaronparecki.com/"
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Zegnat A thing [jon] wrote in meta made me think of it again. Domain names might be a barrier for entrance. But currently, if people do not start with a domain name, once they do get one they start of on a completely separate identity again. Blank slate. Sometimes you want to be able to say "person silouser.example.com has moved to being person example.net".
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vilhalmer right
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vilhalmer exactly
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aaronpk I actually did a trick where "https://aaron@parecki.com" redirects to "https://aaronparecki.com" so I can type in my email address in indieauth login forms :)
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vilhalmer whoa
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Zegnat Or other conflicts that force you to give up a domain. Say that petermolnar was losing access to his .eu domain, he has a grace period in which he needs to inform the IndieWeb that .eu is now .net
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aaronpk yeah there are a lot of reasons to move a domain
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aaronpk I think it would be a small amount of text to add to the spec to theoretically support it
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vilhalmer I am always vaguely concerned that I will lose my .lv as I do not live in latvia
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aaronpk however it does put a burden on clients to support that kind of migration
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aaronpk so I wonder how much it will be implemented in the end
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vilhalmer we could offer some implementation guidance to make that less burdensome
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petermolnar I so want something permanent as an ID on the internet, even with it's downsides
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vilhalmer like, create an internal identifier and map the domain to that so the domain can change
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petermolnar as in pay once permanent
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vilhalmer for example
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vilhalmer petermolnar: I've been thinking about a way to do it for free
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vilhalmer but it requires a new tld
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vilhalmer and an organization to manage it
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vilhalmer icq ids, but for the web
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petermolnar it's not simple though
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petermolnar if it's permanent, it kind of implies you can have one only, which then brings the trouble of identity theft
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vilhalmer under my scheme you could get as many as you want
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vilhalmer no actual identity verification attached, it only guarantees that you get a permanent identifier that you can point at something
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vilhalmer numbers are infinite so I don't want to try to solve impossible problems when I can ignore them instead
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vilhalmer obviously you'd need a secret of some sort to manage your domain
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vilhalmer and losing that would be bad
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vilhalmer but I think most people can handle that idea, people carry physical keys and understand the implications
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vilhalmer but a random number at global scale isn't a human-typable thing, hence the need for vanity domains and a way to standardize handling of the 'canonical' domain
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vilhalmer or ideally, using them as part of more of a contact book model so you don't need to remember the domain, like phone numbers
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vilhalmer I don't want to solve the identity problem because it isn't even solved in real life
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petermolnar actually... you could come up with a 3d printable, 3d or 2d scannable key. So it would be key-key, and it would make sense.
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petermolnar keys are basically numbers anyway
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petermolnar optional, of course
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petermolnar but it wouldn't be a hardware wallet which has bitrot issues
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petermolnar just a physical device
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vilhalmer that would work pretty well, yeah
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vilhalmer as simple as a qr code that you tell them to stick in a safe deposit box or whatever
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vilhalmer anything but passwords, passwords are bad
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petermolnar qr code is ok, but it's not symbolic enough
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vilhalmer sure, I'm just thinking from the purely cheapest standpoint
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petermolnar when you said most people understand the implications of losing keys, that, I think is an important sentence
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vilhalmer I really want this to be free, that's the only way to guarantee the maximum number of people having the ability to do it
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vilhalmer the tech to manage a tld like this is nearly trivial, just generate a uuid spit it out
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vilhalmer most costs would be scale-induced
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vilhalmer so with a few sponsors (who have no influence at all), I think it's feasible
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vilhalmer the real problem is getting client-side stuff on board to improve the UX enough
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Zegnat There is also a cost to the permanence promise itself though. Which you should definitely not overlook. And the human factor of running an organisation that is meant to be permanent.
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vilhalmer absolutely
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vilhalmer my first thought was that governments would ideally provide something like this to their citizens, but that's not good enough
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vilhalmer people move and governments don't cooperate
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vilhalmer the ideal solution here is as hands-off as possible, backed by a group of people who exist basically to pay the server bills
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Zegnat I have said before that I though Sweden should have given me an email address. I am a publicly unique number anyway.
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vilhalmer there can't be any entity who can deny someone an identifier
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vilhalmer that sort of enforcement needs to be done at a different layer
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vilhalmer because laws aren't internet-scale
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vilhalmer and it sure isn't looking like they ever will be
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vilhalmer my vision is that someone could get one of these identifiers, point it at some free hosting service (or even just tumblr or twitter or something), and then move on to a more-self controlled hosting solution eventually without worrying about losing their identity
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vilhalmer or at least hop between providers as they go out of business
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vilhalmer rip geocities, etc
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Zegnat You could basically do that today by offering free subdomains
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vilhalmer urls were always meant to be an implementation detail, this would just sort of force them to be again because they would become unweildy
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vilhalmer yes, you could
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vilhalmer but then you're at the mercy of whoever owns the tld
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vilhalmer there are lots of ways to experiment with this before going full-scale though and that would be one
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vilhalmer opennic is another
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Zegnat Yes. But that doesn't really change in the other scenario. Only that your tld organisation makes a promise of handoff permanence
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vilhalmer sure, it's not perfect
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vilhalmer I just think it's as close as you can currently get
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vilhalmer as independent, anyway
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vilhalmer I certainly haven't thought this all the way through yet, it's just something that's been bouncing around my brain for a few days
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Zegnat I think the IndieWeb is doing fine using URLs as identifiers for now. They are fairly universally recognised and accepted. And there are an infinite amount of them.
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vilhalmer this isn't aimed purely at indieweb
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Zegnat And owning a domain gives you some assurance over your URLs, and thus your identifiers.
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vilhalmer people just need a home on the web if we want them to be part of it, and cost is always going to be a barrier no matter how small it is
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Zegnat But I acknowledge that owning a domain can be a barrier. No matter how small.
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vilhalmer the other barrier is that having to choose a name makes things a lot harder
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vilhalmer just because people tend to gravitate towards similar names
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vilhalmer asssigning a phone number for the web would get rid of that
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vilhalmer and these would be random so you don't get the "my number is shorter" thing that icq had
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aaronpk you're basically describing all the systems that use hashes or public/private keys as identifiers
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vilhalmer yeah, pretty much
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vilhalmer just the dumbest, simplest possible way of doing that
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vilhalmer with stuff we already have instead of stuff we have to roll out
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vilhalmer dns scales
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aaronpk in fact I think dat does pretty much exactly this
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petermolnar Zegnat: I completely agree that an email address should be part of a citizenship
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vilhalmer aaronpk: dat?
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AngeloGladding how about using a Tor .onion?
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petermolnar .onion can be copied
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vilhalmer tor is excessive
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petermolnar we had this thought before
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petermolnar basically the last one to announce the hash wins
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AngeloGladding copied?
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aaronpk vilhalmer: https://datproject.org/ https://www.datprotocol.com/
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vilhalmer nice, will give this a ready
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vilhalmer *read
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aaronpk I think this is the easier to start version: https://beakerbrowser.com/
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AngeloGladding has a hash collision ever happened in practice?
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petermolnar it can be bruteforced
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petermolnar it takes a while though
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vilhalmer p2p is definitely the ideal future
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vilhalmer my idea is more of a stopgap
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AngeloGladding it takes too long -- which is the point
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AngeloGladding by the time someone can discover the hash the underlying scheme will be upgraded
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AngeloGladding .onion can also be served from behind NAT
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vilhalmer I like that dat has versioning built in
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AngeloGladding there's also the alt-svc header
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AngeloGladding https://www.mnot.net/blog/2016/03/09/alt-svc
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AngeloGladding and i believe someone at mozilla mentioned formal support for the Tor network in Firefox
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AngeloGladding so my thinking is that you can have your cake and eat it too with a combination of all of the above -- vanity + private key based
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AngeloGladding in the meantime i've been thinking about which of the two should be "primary"
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AngeloGladding and i'd love to be able to abstract that away
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AngeloGladding glom them together
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vilhalmer the one that the human has no attachment to should be the primary
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vilhalmer because preferences change
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vilhalmer but with very few exceptions no one is going to care which random combo of letters and numbers they have
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AngeloGladding rephrase that
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AngeloGladding and the idea would be to abstract the onion has away entirely
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vilhalmer sure
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vilhalmer the hash or private key should be the primary because the person using it will likely not suddenly decide they dislike their primary key
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AngeloGladding so you request `alice.com` and get an `alt-svc: 2387c78jh7hf8h.onion` header in the response
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vilhalmer nods
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AngeloGladding yeah
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vilhalmer whereas I changed my username once and it was the most painful experience I've ever had on the internet
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AngeloGladding domain names are brittle in some obvious ways
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AngeloGladding onions are brittle too
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AngeloGladding but the combination is nice
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vilhalmer permanence is hard
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vilhalmer removing money from the equation solves part of the problem and makes the other part harder
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vilhalmer I worry a lot that this entire period of human history will appear to have never happened
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AngeloGladding well archive.org is doing great work in the meantime and this is actually a problem i think the IndieWeb is uniquely capable of solving
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vilhalmer I agree, that's why I ended up here
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vilhalmer and yes, archive.org is amazing
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AngeloGladding it's already encouraged/expected behavior to cache the original post when replying to or otherwise engaging with it
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AngeloGladding decentralized redundancy
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vilhalmer getting content out of VC funded silos is probably the single most important thing we could accomplish at the moment
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AngeloGladding lol i've never heard it said with so much gusto
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AngeloGladding what would it be called
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AngeloGladding the great exfiltration
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vilhalmer :D
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AngeloGladding neat -- http://jamie3vkiwibfiwucd6vxijskbhpjdyajmzeor4mc4i7yopvpo4p7cyd.onion/
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AngeloGladding .onion v3 is live and working in the most recent release of Tor Browser
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keithjgrant.com edited /Micropub/Clients (+107) "Add Omnibear to implementation status table" (view diff)
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petermolnar is there a not js server implementation for seeding a dat resource?
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aaronpk from what I can tell there is *only* a js implementation
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petermolnar npm is still not something I want on my server
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petermolnar oh
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petermolnar welp
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petermolnar that decides the dat question for me, for the time being
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aaronpk yeah that's kind of where i'm at with it too
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petermolnar an nginx dat plugin, that would be an interesting thing though
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aaronpk or even just a Go binary
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aaronpk I think there's some potential for some really cool stuff there, but having just the one server is very limiting right now
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petermolnar alternatively I could apply the same hack as I did to spotify
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petermolnar https://petermolnar.net/headless-spotify-without-gpu/
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Loqi [Peter Molnar] Headless Spotify Debian linux server fine tunes
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petermolnar original here: https://blog.vivekpanyam.com/build-a-spotify-media-server/
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petermolnar so using the browser on my home server as seed server
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sknebel they have a bundled thing for at least the normal CLI which wraps node etc in one binary. at least makes handling a bit easier, even if its still node under the hood
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@pstuifzand Retrieve all your subscriptions from a Microsub server ek channels | awk '{print $1}' | xargs -n 1 ek follow #microsub #tips https://p83.nl/p/933 (twitter.com/_/status/1035986115780661250)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Leaders (+3042) "/* Issues */ Evaluate barrier of entry to wiki / wiki use-case (please expand!)" (view diff)
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AngeloGladding i'm talking about hosting a static site on your own home computer
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AngeloGladding like every other app you go to a website, you download the app, you drag the icon to the "Applications" folder
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KartikPrabhu sure. put up an HTML page on some URL
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KartikPrabhu not sure why all this script application is needd
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AngeloGladding but how do you serve it from you computer?
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Zegnat I think that’s actually the part IndieWeb has never tried to answer. Because IndieWeb is about the website, not about the infrastructure.
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KartikPrabhu right^
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AngeloGladding well.
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Zegnat IndieWeb isn’t a product. Although that does tend to create some confusion :P You can ask sl007 who ran an IndieWeb tent at a German festival and had people ask him what he was selling while he was there to introduce people to the open web standards.
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AngeloGladding i totally understand why these things don't exist
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AngeloGladding IndieWeb is a standards organization
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AngeloGladding lol
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AngeloGladding the IndieWeb is a network of standardistas
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KartikPrabhu ok
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AngeloGladding hey its in my opinion that the IndieWeb approach is the one, true and correct way
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AngeloGladding but know your weaknesses
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Zegnat Well, not really. It is a community of people losely following a number of principles (https://indieweb.org/principles) as guidebook to being on the web.
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Zegnat But I think the critical point there is that “being on the web” means a lot of different things.
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Zegnat And it has always been focused on the website. That created some standards out of needs: we want websites to be able to do certain things for us.
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Zegnat There is definitely a place for one-click-installers within that. E.g. the WordPress folks are doing amazing things and are trying to get multiple extensions together to form a full package.
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Zegnat But if you want to run a wiki, that WordPress one-click-installer is never going to work for you.
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AngeloGladding run a wiki?
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Zegnat Sure, why not? A huge part of my web identity is the wiki I have on wiki.zegnat.net
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AngeloGladding so here's my answer to "being on the web"
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Zegnat That’s where my home page links to
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AngeloGladding it's 2018 and Tor is a thing
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AngeloGladding it solves longstanding pain points with respect to hosting on the web
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KartikPrabhu I don't want to use Tor. So that is your answer and you can build it
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AngeloGladding and that's the underlying tone -- always
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KartikPrabhu I am not sure why you want everyone to use your method
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AngeloGladding i was *just* about to say -- the ugly URL can be abstracted away
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KartikPrabhu if it works for you great
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AngeloGladding saying "I don't want to use Tor" demonstrates that you have completely missed the point and then following up with "everyone to use your method" makes it sound like i'm trying to push an agenda
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KartikPrabhu ok
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AngeloGladding i have been pretty clean with keeping a boundary betweeen my agenda and the IndieWeb
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Zegnat The IndieWeb has definitely made some stuff available for publishing your identity on the web specifically. But none of the principles are actually about that. That’s why a wiki is a completely valid thing to want to put online. (And why the common denominator question is hard.)
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Zegnat So I am completely onboard with your one-click-install and host-from-own-machine! Both things sound amazing. But then what? Do I write HTML or is there some software there? If it could automatically host Mastodon or WordPress that will help tonnes of people go IndieWeb!
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Zegnat Its all about “data”. Because the IndieWeb doesn’t care whether it is about you owning your own photo album alternative to Flickr, or a full quantified self page that lists everything from your birth weight to your phobias. Anything you put on the web by yourself is indie.
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Zegnat (Woops that became way longer than I thought.)
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vilhalmer aaronpk: so I was thinking more about the redirected identity thing, and you would almost need to add generating an internal id as SHOULD or MUST to the spec to avoid problems with someone changing their domain via redirect and someone else later registering the original domain
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vilhalmer which complicates it a bit further
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vilhalmer you'd want the service to be able to make a strong assertion that they're not the same person for anyone who has a relationship with one or the other
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Zegnat vilhalmer, I don’t see why the ID must be part of the spec. What’s wrong with something that just says “I have moved”? It will be up to the implementations to change whatever the domain name meant in their local system.
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vilhalmer I'm thinking about a mastodon-style case where you could mention people by name (or in this case domain)
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vilhalmer if someone mentioned the old name you'd want to be able to point out that it's not the person they're following, for example
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vilhalmer you can update the identity within your system pretty easily, fixing human brains is harder
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aaronpk as long as the redirect from the old one is in place things should be seamless, but there's definitely a problem with what happens after the old identity starts resolving to something again
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aaronpk this of course happens to domain names all the time
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vilhalmer right
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Zegnat Sure. But that would be up to that client to figure out the implementation details of. Whether they internally rewrite all old URLs, or keep a history, or have some other fixed ID, isn’t really up to the authentication spec.
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Zegnat aaronpk, yeah, that’s the tough bit.
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vilhalmer that's fair
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vilhalmer I guess I should phrase it as SHOULD have a way to keep track of history?
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aaronpk speaking of principles, it's one of my personal principles of spec development to never include stuff in a spec that dictates internal implementation details
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vilhalmer I will absolutely defer to your wisdom on that because I have never written a spec
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aaronpk so I would not want to say "you have to internally map a URL to an ID", but "make sure you update references from the old URL to the new URL" works
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Zegnat AngeloGladding: I definitely also like your ideas around abstracting away domains (and making it less of a desirability game getting the right one). Given me lots to think about.
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AngeloGladding so what got me thinking about it was..
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AngeloGladding I wrote a crawler to crawl the indieweb
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Zegnat What is indiemap?
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Loqi indie map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset, made by Ryan Barrett and launched at IndieWeb Summit 2017 https://indieweb.org/indiemap
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AngeloGladding Yes I seeded with that
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Zegnat Awesome! Just making sure you had seen that :D
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AngeloGladding but what became crystal clear right away is that everyone does things differently
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AngeloGladding so i toooootally get the patchwork, hippy, freewheeling anarchy of it
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AngeloGladding i love it
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AngeloGladding but it complicates things
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AngeloGladding so i coudln't determine as a human what each person's "primary" page was
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aaronpk yes it is much easier when you can just tell everyone to install mastodon ;-)
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AngeloGladding the canopy will make things even easier -- but i digress
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Zegnat It only complicates strict automation things. It doesn’t actually complicate how real life humans look at those sites ;)
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vilhalmer bringing back some of the chaos of the old web is what I like about indieweb :D
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AngeloGladding well...
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AngeloGladding if i have to @-mention by URL
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AngeloGladding then there's a cognitive process for sure
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AngeloGladding anyway.. i used graph traversal to algorithmically determine the "primary"
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AngeloGladding and it worked pretty darn well
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vilhalmer I think it's reasonable to say to someone "do what you want, but if you want to interoperate, also translate to this"
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vilhalmer but we have to provide those tools
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Zegnat Is anyone doing “@-mention by URL”? I don’t think anyone wants to bother with that, which is why people speak about nickname caches, usernames that reference URLs behind the scenes (e.g. Mastodon’s use of WebFinger), etc.
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vilhalmer mastodon sort of does, for inter-instance messaging
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vilhalmer but it's hidden as much as possible
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AngeloGladding k but you still need to configure the nickname
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vilhalmer it's @ mention by username @ url
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aaronpk I think my autolinker does support @-mentioning URLs, but I do prefer using a nicknames cache
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vilhalmer yeah
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aaronpk i'm working on populating it automatically as my next step
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vilhalmer it only forces itself to the forefront when there's a collision
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AngeloGladding oh man.. see that time you spend implementing that could go into the "official" implementation
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AngeloGladding but i get it
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AngeloGladding i love the decentralized nature of it all
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Zegnat I just realised @-mentioning zegnat.net isn’t going to work ever. I should probably add a webmention endpoint there.
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aaronpk wait what "official" implementation?
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vilhalmer AngeloGladding: my reason for not running mastodon is purely that I don't want to run a database, ever
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AngeloGladding exactly *drops mic*
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vilhalmer so instead I spend years bugfixing my own crap software :)
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AngeloGladding i can't wait to show y'all what i've been working on
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AngeloGladding i don't blame you for not wanting to use a database
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AngeloGladding it's a well known IndieWeb anti-pattern for a reason
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AngeloGladding but honestly is mastodon even designed to be run for a single user?
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Zegnat “wait what "official" implementation?” - I think the real question is “wait "official" implementation of what?” ;)
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vilhalmer no, it's really not single-user at all
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vilhalmer which I think is unfortunate
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vilhalmer but I understand why
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AngeloGladding so to answer your question Zegnat -- work from the bottom up
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AngeloGladding implement an h-card
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AngeloGladding with a name and a photo
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AngeloGladding then allow rel=me to the top 10
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Zegnat I thought it worked single-user? You can just be the only user on the local instance and follow people on other instances, right? The only thing you miss out on is having a local timeline to fall back on. No community.
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vilhalmer that's also a good point, mastodon is an implementation of an effectively dead protocol that recently added support for a less dead protocol
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AngeloGladding and then have a rel=me that's free form
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vilhalmer it works single user, it's just a lot of overhead
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AngeloGladding ^
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pstuifzand aaronpk, does Aperture have the CORS headers?
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Zegnat Well, yeah, agreed on the overhead, haha
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vilhalmer it'd be nice to see more software that supported the domain = person usecase
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AngeloGladding so i'm using SQLite, flat files and git
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vilhalmer there is literally no reason for me to be vil@vil.lv
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aaronpk pstuifzand: I don't think i've added that yet
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vilhalmer AngeloGladding: git is what I'm aiming at as well
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vilhalmer hooks to trigger activitypub events
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pstuifzand It would be nice to have a second microsub server to test my new reader with
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aaronpk oo
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aaronpk I can probably do that quick
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AngeloGladding are you physically running the git commands vilhalmer?
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Zegnat vilhalmer, I agree. Though it isn’t a disaster for me to be martijn at vanderven.se, that’s my email anyway
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vilhalmer AngeloGladding: I haven't gotten very far yet
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vilhalmer Zegnat: yeah, same here
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vilhalmer I've just always hated the redundancy
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vilhalmer AngeloGladding: the plan is to put a frontend on it for quick posts like tweet-style
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Zegnat I would love to see the first AP implementation that will let people @-mention vanderven.se/martijn though :P Those pesky slashes everywhere, ha
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vilhalmer I will also probably have the AP inbox auto-commit what it receives, but I haven't decided if I want it to be the same repo
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aaronpk vilhalmer: skip building a frontend and make it support micropub instead and then you can use everyone else's apps
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vilhalmer that is probably what I will do
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pstuifzand aaronpk, it needs a few different headers: "Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *" (or similar on GET requests)
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AngeloGladding so how far will a static identity page take you -- hcard and rels (me, micropub, hub, etc.)
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AngeloGladding Zegnat it kind of seems like you have a setup more or less like this, though to the extreme :)
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pstuifzand And on OPTIONS requests: "Access-Control-Allow-Methods: GET, POST", "Access-Control-Allow-Headers: Authorization", and the one above
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Zegnat AngeloGladding, define “how far”. If an online identity is all you want, then that takes you 100% of the way. If what you really want is an online photo album, it doesn’t even get you started ;)
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AngeloGladding i've been living in "implement all the things" mode so i'm having to context switch a bit here
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AngeloGladding you have a blog different from your h-card
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Zegnat Mine started as a collation of all the information I was sharing about myself in one place. Online address directories had my address, Facebook had my relationship status, etc. I wanted to enable people who were looking for me or for info about me to be able to turn to one canonical place. That was my goal, and for that goal, a massive h-card does the trick pretty well.
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Zegnat Yes. And the blog is broken, while I still update my h-card. Blogging it a very low priority for me.
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AngeloGladding you also blog at licit.li?
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AngeloGladding do you use micropub at all?
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Zegnat That was the plan, and will be the plan, once I unbreak it.
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Zegnat No
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AngeloGladding ok
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AngeloGladding is it possible?
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AngeloGladding sorry
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Zegnat It is possible that the unbroken version of my blog will be powered by micropub. But I am undecided as of right now.
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AngeloGladding ok
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AngeloGladding of course it is
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Zegnat My h-card probably will not get micropub ;) Although that would be interesting
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AngeloGladding oh that is interesting
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Zegnat micropub, like most indieweb building blocks, is very open in its application. Mostly you’ll see mf2 objects with the type h-entry submitted. But there is no reason you couldn’t post h-card type things to an endpoint. Or use the update syntax to update the h-card properties.
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AngeloGladding yeah definitely
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AngeloGladding so i think there's a sweet spot
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AngeloGladding with a bare minimum functionality
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Zegnat So theoretically an IndieWeb dating application could issue an update-replace (https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#update) to https://vanderven.se/martijn/ to have relationship-status updated.
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Zegnat Now I should stop thinking about that before I convince myself it needs to be built!
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AngeloGladding ahhh! contribute to the official implementation!
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AngeloGladding ;)
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AngeloGladding i'll return with some Tor offerings
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AngeloGladding good chat guys
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vilhalmer this is the problem I always have with my site
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vilhalmer I would rather implement the backend than use it to post any content
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aaronpk hehe I know the feeling
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aaronpk I tend to go in waves
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Zegnat What is typography?
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Loqi Typography is the art/science of making text nice and readable https://indieweb.org/typography
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Zegnat typography << [https://sparanoid.com/lab/opentype-features/ The Complete CSS Demo for OpenType Features]
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://sparanoid.com/lab/opentype-features/ The Complete CSS Demo for OpenType Features]" to the "See Also" section of /typography https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51421&oldid=41393