#dev 2018-09-02

2018-09-02 UTC
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GWG Does Micropub have a logo?
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[kevinmarks] The M with an arrow?
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GWG Is that the logo? I thought that was the upside down Webmention logo
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aaronpk the closest is what's on micropub.rocks
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aaronpk but it's not really a micropub logo officially
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aaronpk please don't use the upside-down webmention logo
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/micropubrocks
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GWG Do we need one?
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aaronpk yes
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miklb_ coordinate it with a microsub logo while you're at it
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GWG We need someone artistic
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GWG Not me, alas
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aaronpk yeah we have a whole host of icons we need
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aaronpk there's a chance we'll be able to pull that off this year
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miklb_ o_O
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GWG Oh? Recruiting someone?
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[eddie] !tell aaronpk that’s strange... my reader just got a bunch of your posts of August to reappear in my channel as new... 🤔
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk Hmm weird
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Loqi aaronpk: [eddie] left you a message 49 minutes ago: that’s strange... my reader just got a bunch of your posts of August to reappear in my channel as new... 🤔
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aaronpk They had appeared already before?
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aaronpk Could be I was in a low polling tier?
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[eddie] Nope, I’m pretty sure they had appeared before because I had read them before.
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aaronpk Weird
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[eddie] Wait, I don’t see them earlier in my channel, but I have other posts at the accurate time for aug 27...
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[eddie] Maybe it’s two different feeds I’m following
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aaronpk Oh that could be
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[eddie] One in a low polling tier one in a high tier
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[eddie] And then I think I saw the post that looked familiar in a different context (IndieWeb planet or tweet reply in IRC)
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aaronpk I'm starting to want to convert this to fetch permalinks so that I can better dedupe posts from different feeds
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[eddie] Ahh. Yeah that makes sense... although I’m thinking WebSub subscriptions to feeds I would probably rank higher than de-duping
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[eddie] 😁
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aaronpk You're probably right :-)
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aaronpk Also easier
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[eddie] Heh! Easier is good!
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aaronpk That's one of the good/bad things about activitypub... it *only* works via fat ping delivery so you have to do that from the beginning but then also everything is real-time off the bat
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[eddie] Yeah, definitely a good/bad situation. Added complexity at the start but guaranteed real-time. Tricky trade offs
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GWG Looking at h-cite. All of my bookmark-of properties are nested h-cites
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jeremycherfas.net edited /typography (+962) "Tidying up and expanding See also descriptions" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas.net created /RSS/IndieWeb_examples (+2118) "Breaking main RSS page into smaller chunks" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas.net edited /RSS () "(-1801) /* IndieWeb Examples */ Moved to own sub-page" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas.net edited /RSS (+138) "/* Praise */ Add Brad Feld piece" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas.net edited /RSS (+453) "/* IndieWeb examples */ Moved alternatives higher" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/1036060636587978753?s=19
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@ftrain sex is cool but have you ever successfully parsed wikitext (twitter.com/_/status/1036060636587978753)
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jeremycherfas.net edited /RSS (+342) "Adding use for podcasts" (view diff)
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jgmac1106 !tell Chrisaldrich I am not sure if it happens to you as well but on this page: https://boffosocko.com/about/following/ it never totally loads because of a data transfer to ma.tt
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas.net edited /Getting_Started_with_Known (-472) "Major rewrite" (view diff)
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bltavares Hey there! I've been following the community over the last couple of months already, and I'm starting to consider the possibility of adopting more of the procotcols, but over my static Github pages website
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bltavares How is the interest around micropub currently? Would there be interest on a small service that uses the Github API to publish new blogposts?
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aaronpk very cool, and welcome
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aaronpk I seem to remember someone making something like that
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aaronpk https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-micropub-to-github found it
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Loqi [voxpelli] webpage-micropub-to-github: Self-hosteable Micropub endpoint that publishes to Jekyll by committing to GitHub
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miklb_ yep, I used to use that with my Jekyll IW site
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miklb_ and used Travis and the jekyll-webmention plugin to build/deploy after posting with Quill
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bltavares Hi aaronpk and milb_ :)
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bltavares miklb_ hehe
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bltavares Yeah, I've seen this on the wiki and I was considering using it at first
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bltavares But at the same time I was considering writing something to better understand as well
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miklb_ sure
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bltavares really cool movement btw, I quite like the own your content idea
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bltavares Having micropub.rocks as a test bed will be very useful
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@ton_zylstra Could #indieauth help in presenting blog content at diff levels of access/social distance? https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2018/09/indieauth-and-social-distance-dependent-content/ #indieweb #stm18 (twitter.com/_/status/1036332465852432384)
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voxpelli bltavares: that project is built from three sub-components that you can reuse individually as well :)
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bltavares voxpelli: yeah, it looks really well written
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bltavares congrats!
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petermolnar so: Vouch as chained whitelist should be a good enough protection, shouldn't it? I don't think block/blacklists would do any good for webmentions; greylists, on the other hand, my be useful, if we can adapt somehow.
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Zegnat This could inadvertily have whitelisted (that is: created a vouchable URL on aaronpk.com) for this person to use.
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Zegnat I think aaronpk just pointed out a weakness with the vouching, but it could’ve been lost in the rest of the discussion. He would like/favourite something that got reposted by someone he followed. But at that time he doesn’t know anything else about this original poster, neither history nor future.
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Zegnat So it is very important that the sources for the Vouch whitelists are very good.
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Zegnat That might quickly spiral into the whole web-of-trust thing :(
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petermolnar yep, that's what I was getting at as well
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petermolnar there's a very simple workaround: the vouch list is static or only partially automated, building up to trusted level by having multiple likes, etc.
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Zegnat Static and shared lists could be interesting. Approximation of a web of trust. I have my own list, which I share, and my system also collates a collaction of other people’s lists so when a link exsists on X+ of those lists it also gets whitelisted.
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Zegnat E.g. example.org isn’t on my own list, but it is on the lists curated by petermolnar, aaronpk, and gRegorLove, so my endpoint will let it through. While example.net only exists on petermolnar’s list and therefor gets hold for approval.
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petermolnar needs to start digging into Vouch
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petermolnar Zegnat: this is why I had a session with aaronpk about what email already has; what I described is the reverse of weighted dnsbl I've been using on my postfix for years
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petermolnar IT is running in circles, the trouble is, most circles are unaware of eachother
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Zegnat The idea with the wiki is to document as much prior art as possible, so we do not end up reinventing the wheel on IndieWeb things. Haha
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petermolnar https://indieweb.org/2016/Brighton/webmention
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Zegnat Vouch << [[2016/Brighton/webmention|What can Webmention learn from Email], a session at IWC concerned with how email spam systems may apply to webmentions
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Loqi ok, I added "[[2016/Brighton/webmention|What can Webmention learn from Email], a session at IWC concerned with how email spam systems may apply to webmentions" to the "See Also" section of /Vouch https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51438&oldid=49587
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Zegnat Never losing that page from memory again :P
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Zegnat Whitelist isn’t really vouch though. Vouch is a sender providing some sort of proof of themselves being known in the receiver’s circles.
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Zegnat So might need a different name
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[grantcodes] !tell pstuifzand: I've made an independent rel scraper library. https://www.npmjs.com/package/rel-scraper Feel free to give it a go
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[grantcodes] Also lots of nice updates to together as well. It'll live update content if you leave it open now. As well as a few other things here and there
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aaronpk oo nice
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[grantcodes] I do have a map that can live track where you are aaronpk 😛
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aaronpk omg really
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[grantcodes] Need to find more peoples checkin feeds to make it a bit less weird
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aaronpk nice
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[grantcodes] I've not checked if the map will live update, but I think it should
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[grantcodes] But we've not got a better option than polling the microsub endpoint yet do we?
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aaronpk nope :(
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aaronpk i'm thinking an endpoint that supports eventsource would work well though
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[grantcodes] Also I ran into issues with my channel ordering because of the idea of hiding the notifications channel
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[grantcodes] On my end
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aaronpk oh interesting
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aaronpk I didn't think that was going to conflict
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[grantcodes] But can see others running into it so may be worth noting somewhere
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aaronpk can you write up a description of the problem as a github issue? https://github.com/indieweb/microsub/issues
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[grantcodes] I had it because I hid it in the ui but it was still in memory so indexes where off by one
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[grantcodes] I don't think it's an issue. But maybe something to note
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aaronpk hmm k. if you have some advice, then you could add that to the wiki page
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[grantcodes] Yeah I'll add to the wiki
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[grantcodes] Was also thinking about making another microsub client that purely sends push notifications somehow.
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aaronpk yeah I would love to figure out a good push notification story
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[grantcodes] Well with the non centralized nature, it would be possible to make a notifier that could work for all readers and servers
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[grantcodes] You couldn't get native, native push notifications that way, but via email, chat app, webhook all would be easy
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aaronpk true, I guess you could treat push notifications to the phone as its own "client"
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aaronpk there are dedicated push notification apps you can hook into too, like pushover or boxcar
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[grantcodes] Or web notifications would work. Don't know if iOS supports that though
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[grantcodes] Yes, those are options too
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[grantcodes] I think I will make a webhook first then I can direct people to ifttt
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[kevinmarks] I'm wondering if we can converge on terminology that isn't blacklist and whitelist as that had bad overtones. Blocklist and showlist?
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[kevinmarks] I also think that more kinds of list will be required.
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