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upon2020.com moved /Indie_Box to /UBOSbox "Renamed the project"
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gregorlove.com edited /Leaders (+703) "/* Evaluate barrier of entry to wiki / wiki use-case */ +my comment" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Leaders (+560) "/* Issues */ Evaluate if/how to apply Code of Conduct for outside events" (view diff)
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petermolnar huh. an idea: auto-check in. Once you've been at a place for X amount of time, and you already have a check-in for that location, it checks you in. is anyone doing something similar?
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[kevinmarks] Google location history does that
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[kevinmarks] Foursquare/Swarm kind of does - it knows where you've been, and offers you 'checkins you have missed"
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Do not know screen reader experience but for me two extra clicks. Get url, new>reply. @microdotblog can syndicate to Twitter. I do not know how well webmentions thread. I never tried, but if like everything else the answer is probably well (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6416-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1036589975096242176)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /IndieWebCamps (+298) "/* During */ Specifically call out the presentation of [[code of conduct]] and having volunteer points of contacts available." (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Leaders () "(-1784) Remove previous code of conduct issue: all specifics contained within have been resolved and mentioned wiki pages have been updated." (view diff)
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petermolnar so the rule of the wiki kicks in again; either tantek or aaronpk thought about it and had it implemented 2+ years ago :D
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petermolnar 2+ :P
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petermolnar but yeah
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petermolnar I never liked the idea of public check ins
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petermolnar they imply I'm not a home
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petermolnar so others could feel like they want to be in my home
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petermolnar fair point
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petermolnar h-mini-review
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KartikPrabhu -nooooooo! don't make up *-mini* now
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petermolnar KartikPrabhu: I was joking, sorry if I took it too far
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KartikPrabhu petermolnar: I know :P
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petermolnar btw, nesting microformats (and schema) is not always trivial
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petermolnar would it be a checkin within a review or a review within a checkin
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petermolnar ?
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petermolnar for location, backtitude
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petermolnar that's without question
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petermolnar for other sensor logging, automate can do basically anything, but it needs patience to put it together in it
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petermolnar Zegnat: I tried, that is certainly a batter killer
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petermolnar essentially I tried to do if-location-changes-25m in automate
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petermolnar that devoured battery
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[grantcodes] Oooh I have microsub notifications working!
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[grantcodes] Will need to secure it then I'll push it online 🙂
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[grantcodes] aaronpk: What's a reasonable polling time do you think? I have every minute for now.
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[grantcodes] Ha ok will do!
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jeremycherfas For locations, I ought to work out a way to bring the data from Wanderings back home to my site and display.
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "location tracking" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "location tracking is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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petermolnar most of them are not gps but cell tower triangulation
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petermolnar real gps ones are rare
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petermolnar but they log to a microsd card in most cases
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petermolnar and polling
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petermolnar oh, not those, the dog/cat collar tag things
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petermolnar I'd but a proper gps device to be honest
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petermolnar not even some kind of luggage sized old military equipment?
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aaronpk the longest lasting standalone device that works well is the spot trace https://www.findmespot.com/en/index.php?cid=128
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aaronpk e.g. here is a day at ~1-5 seconds logged from my phone https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-09-03-07-08-50-2IkmjzmHcN.jpg
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aaronpk vs the same logged from the spot: https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-09-03-07-09-12-lXx2qD2l6C.jpg
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Zegnat Living on the Swedish country side I can not risk running the battery on my main phone dry, ever. Especially as someone who doesn’t have the option of getting in a car and driving to the closest town. So I am very hesitant to move to anything that does more regular polling or continuous tracking than my very conservative backitude settings.
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jeremycherfas Zegnat why don't you get a battery booster instead?
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petermolnar get a waterproof dumbphone with a huge battery that lasts weeks if not months
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aaronpk just stumbled across https://github.com/GeSHi/geshi-1.0/pull/100
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petermolnar create_function, aaargh, no! /me runs away screaming in terror
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www.svenknebel.de edited /location (+54) "/* Location Tracking Apps */ add link t location category" (view diff)
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martijnvdven Also, lets see how long you can go before you have to pay for more messages
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[grantcodes] aaronpk: I'm getting a 500 error from aperture depending on my access token
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[grantcodes] channels
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[grantcodes] It's weird, works with one token I already have, if I put a fake one in I get the message I expect, but if I use another valid one it properly breaks.
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[grantcodes] As in html error, not json error
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[grantcodes] Oh, hang on, might be an issue with scopes
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[grantcodes] Yeah. My bad, but should still return something different
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[grantcodes] Yep better error now
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[grantcodes] No problem, double debugging
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[grantcodes] Also while I'm at this whenever I save a users url that they enter for indieauth I should follow any redirections and save the final url right?
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aaronpk all the combinations are listed out here https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org/#redirect-examples
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aaronpk And read that 4.1 section too https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org/#discovery-by-clients
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[grantcodes] Ok perfect thanks.
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[grantcodes] I have been bad and just stored whatever the user entered in the form. But means if you write a different url it will make you a new user. Which obviously isn't quite right
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[grantcodes] !tell schmarty Been using your indieauth lib, but I can't open issues on https://git.schmarty.net/schmarty/indieauth-authentication So 1. It should support scopes, 2. Should be able to get a token 3. Resolve and return redirected user urls. Happy to write pull requests, but don't want to create another separate npm module
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[grantcodes] Hmm yeah I know it's just minimal auth but if it doesn't support scopes you need another library / to do them manually, which seems like a waste
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[grantcodes] schmarty's library does handle redirects internally, just needs to expose the resolved url 🙂
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AngeloGladding https://www.wired.com/2008/10/googles-mail-go/
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AngeloGladding google's mail goggles prevents drunk emailing (2008)
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AngeloGladding wow i never really associated inebriation with ranting on twitter
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AngeloGladding obligatory https://www.xkcd.com/323/
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tantek___ Aside re: income being eliminated, at Technorati we used to get very nasty hate emails (personal, and through support) from spam blog farm maintainers saying Technorati blocking their spam blogs were hurting their income and were to blame for their kids not getting healthcare etc. It was some really nasty stuff.
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pstuifzand grantcodes[m], I just saw that you posted the relScraper function as a library
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Loqi pstuifzand: [grantcodes] left you a message 19 hours, 30 minutes ago: I've made an independent rel scraper library. https://www.npmjs.com/package/rel-scraper Feel free to give it a go
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[grantcodes] tantek: I did not know the difference, thanks. I will see if I can rename it
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pstuifzand it works great, I just used it in my reader
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Loqi Scraping is extracting data from an unstructured web page, opposed to from an API or embedded structured data like microformats https://indieweb.org/Scraping
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "parsing" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "parsing is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek__ sknebel,grantcodes there is another nastier subtler misconception lurking here from the old XML days, and that's the myth that if you're machine parsing information from HTML, you're inevitably "scraping" (as opposed to XML, which of course is clean, well defined, always valid, and thus always "parsing")
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "undo" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "undo is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[grantcodes] Not sure it count's as ui, but my chatbot micropub client has a delete button as soon as you make a post 😛
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tantek__ for reference, my most recent indie event: http://tantek.com/2018/234/e1/homebrew-website-club-sf
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tantek__ and minimal tweet equivalent https://twitter.com/t/status/1032112905301516288
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@t Event: Homebrew Website Club SF! At: 2018-08-22 17:30 @MozSF RSVP: http://tantek.com/e/4w51 (twitter.com/_/status/1032112905301516288)
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[grantcodes] Ok my microsub notification service is online now: https://microsub-notifier.tpxl.io/
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[grantcodes] Only does webhooks for now but it's a solid proof of concept
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[kevinmarks] Atom often has cdata around the html, yes
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[kevinmarks] Because xhtml is fragile
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[kevinmarks] Feedparser will extract I Al from hCalendar in feeds
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[kevinmarks] *ical
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grant.codes edited /Microsub (+229) "/* Clients */ Add microsub notifier to the list of clients" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] Ah, I was wrong, just hCard https://github.com/kevinmarks/feedparser/tree/develop/feedparser/tests/microformats
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[kevinmarks] I think h-event in the content is reasonable
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Zegnat FWIW: /feed/entry/content[@type="xhtml"]/div[contains(concat(" ", @class), " h-") and count(../*)=1]
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@ton_zylstra ↩️ dat snap ik, maar wat ik niet snap is dat die posting in de RSS wel een titel krijgt (‘microsub post’) terwijl op je site niet. (twitter.com/_/status/1036706652370690050)
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[kevinmarks] Sure, anywhere you can put html works
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loqi.me edited /NewBase60 (+426) "[kevinmarks] added "base58 by kellan and Satoshi Nakamoto https://twitter.com/kellan/status/1036725567574433793" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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AngeloGladding just got v3 .onion addresses working and stumbled upon another interesting consequence -- even if I have HTTPS enabled on my (non-shared-hosting) site a user's ISP will know that they are interacting with me (reverse DNS lookup)
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AngeloGladding owning your own domain is bad for privacy
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[kevinmarks] I think Tantek's autolinker is idempotent
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[kevinmarks] Hmm. If the mentions came from Instagram, are they linked already? Or do you need a different mapping?
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aaronpk anyway, the reason I can't autolink markdown *before* the html conversion is that [this mention of @tantek](http://example.com) should not be autolinked
