#dev 2018-09-27

2018-09-27 UTC
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jacky hmm
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Loqi jacky: tantek__ left you a message 1 hour, 50 minutes ago: hey add yourself to /chat-names so your icon shows up in logs!
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jacky I thought it did
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jacky er like I did
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jacky ah okay
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jacky it's because I'm on jacky and not jalcine
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jacky fixed
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eddiehinkle.com edited /silo-quits (+134) "/* Silo quitters 2018 */ + me instapaper" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] What is hubzilla?
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Loqi Hubzilla (formerly RedMatrix) is an open source, federated, community web server that started as a fork of Friendica https://indieweb.org/HubZilla
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Welcome! We have a ton 9f fun and you can tweet all you want from your own Domain…and check out webmentions for your comment solution. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7434-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1045157187415363585)
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Loqi [ludovicchabant] vim-gutentags: A Vim plugin that manages your tag files
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[jgmac1106] @zegnat is there anything I should do on my About Me page? Should I stay away from long-form h-cards and stick to simple ones?
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Zegnat Note that there is nothing wrong with the page. It just isn’t clear from the mf2 parser output alone (to Loqi) what the main piece of content is. Making the h-card a representative h-card (https://indieweb.org/representative_h-card) is something you could try. That should convey that the h-card is what the URL is representative of.
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Zegnat But I think you are already do that. The h-card should match point 2 of http://microformats.org/wiki/representative-h-card-authoring ... so you could even file this as a Loqi and/or XRay bug, wherever this happens
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Zegnat Validates correctly here: https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-card/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjgregorymcverry.com%2Fabout-me-2%2F
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aaronpk Zegnat: I'm not sure how #2 there is relevant?
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Zegnat The h-card includes a url property that is also marked as rel="me", which makes the h-card a representative one, if I read that right?
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aaronpk I thought that #2 was about linking to other profiles
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Zegnat “To publish a representative h-card on a page […] you need to do at least one of two of the following”
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Zegnat And one of the two options is to add rel="me" on urls
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aaronpk But it specifically says to other profiles
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Zegnat yes
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aaronpk which I don't understand how that is relevant
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Zegnat there is a rel="me" link to a twitter link in the h-card of [jgmac1106]
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Zegnat Thus the h-card is a representative h-card, per the spec
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aaronpk I don't see how I'm supposed to consume that
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Zegnat I am not sure either actually :P
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Zegnat Should check on how indiewebify.me is validating it
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aaronpk Especially since after mf2 parsing I cant tell that the rel=me link was inside the h-card
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Zegnat was first looking into XRay and how it checks for representative h-card
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Zegnat Maybe that doesn’t matter? All that matters is that any h-card with a url property that matches a rel-me URL is representative? And then you have to pick the first one?
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aaronpk Oh it does says it needs both rel=me and u-url
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Zegnat Yeah, that would be uncheckable.
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Zegnat (From the mf2 parser output, that is)
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Zegnat [jgmac1106], you should show your about page to tantek at the IWC. I believe he came up with representative hcards. See if he has any idea on how we can make it clear that about page’s main object is the h-card :)
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[jgmac1106] maybe if I switch the rel="author: to rel="me"
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[jgmac1106] will do
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Zegnat You already have other rel-me links in the card, so that’s not going to make a difference
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[jgmac1106] If I delete the comments it works
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Zegnat Probably because that leaves only 1 mf2 object on the entire page, so that gets picked by XRay regardless
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[jgmac1106] http://jgregorymcverry.com/about-me-2/
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[jgmac1106] ohh okay
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Loqi Greg McVerry
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Zegnat Also note that it isn’t not working right now, XRay just has a harder time finding the main object
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[jgmac1106] make sense, just consider Loqi the ultimate arbiter.
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Zegnat XRay does power a lot of stuff, so getting this cleared up could be good, haha
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Zegnat For XRay (and other places), you could add <data class="u-url" value="http://jgregorymcverry.com/about-me-2/"></data> to the h-card
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Zegnat An object that specifies the URL of the page it is on as a u-url is generally taken as the main object representing the page
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GWG And I wasn't sure anyone would find this useful
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GWG https://boffosocko.com/2018/09/26/refback-from-indieweb-chat/
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Zegnat refbacks are interesting, I am just concerned about spam
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GWG I have gotten some less useful ones
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cweiske I actually use my search engine crawler as tool to notify about mentions in chat while I'm offline
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GWG I need to refine it
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GWG Add filtering
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GWG But the wiki doesn't do webmentions for example, or the chat logs
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GWG I wrote the plugin in an hour or so, so there is room for improvement
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GWG I should update the wiki
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Loqi I agree
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[eddie] I have a bot that fetches the chat logs h-entries and scans for keywords then pushes a Micropub post to my Microsub reader channel when it finds my key words
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[eddie] It's useful... although it's been crashing occasionally. I need to turn it into an AWS serverless app so I don't have to worry or think about maintenance on it
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GWG Eddie, I need to pick your brain about how to integrate with micro.blog as I think it will help adoption
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[eddie] Yeah, definitely! Happy to talk micro.blog integration any time. I've investigated all the benefits (and challenges) of using it purely from IndieWeb tools
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GWG I think getting it into Indieweb tools for WordPress will get a lot of users into a more independent option
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[jgmac1106] @gwg here is what I do. I made a tag called microblog so I can be intentional about syndicating
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[jgmac1106] One radial button is all we really need. Webmentions works very well
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[jgmac1106] So I only syndicate /tag/microblog/f3ed
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GWG jgmac1106, looking for thoughts on more advanced integration
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GWG [eddie], what is the most impactful thing I can do?
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[eddie] Well I think there are two key things for the best experience. First is that the content of the RSS/JSON feed for Micro.blog needs to have the entire context within, so it generally is gonna have more than your typical mf2 content
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[eddie] For example if you do a checkin or photo those are actually included inside the feed's content as an image tag
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[eddie] The other thing is replying from your own site
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[eddie] Micro.blog accepts external replies as Webmentions, but the challenge is if you are replying to another site that is on Wordpress your webmention will be sent to the other Wordpress and not Micro.blog
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[eddie] so in my site I developed essentially a Webmention CC feature. I detailed that specific problem and fix in this blog post: https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/08/23/11/article/
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] How I send webmentions to Micro.blog
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GWG You send every webmention to micro.blog regardless or where it came from?
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[eddie] I do
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[eddie] Micro.blog ignores it if it doesn't exist within the micro.blog system
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[eddie] Not the best solution but it's the most workable solution currently
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[eddie] I believe Manton is planning to eventually add support for reply posts within a JSON Feed
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GWG I saw that. I may implement it when I fix my Jsonfeed
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GWG I have to ask him to do something for me
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[eddie] Makes sense. No rush on that though, because it isn't currently active within Micro.blog
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GWG A new version of the WordPress Jsonfeed plugin
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GWG Once he pushes once, I can push updates
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[eddie] ahhh gotcha
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tantek.com created /styleguide (+25) "r" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /IndieWeb (+35) "tantek__ added "[[style-guide]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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aaronpk ---
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[pfefferle] aaronpk do you have a working signed activitypub messages implementation?
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aaronpk Yes two
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strugee oh nice aaronpk!
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aaronpk My website (the messy version since I implemented it piecemeal) and then a new Laravel implementation that's running on AnAcocado@avocado.lol
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@Downes ↩️ I've pushed a number of changes to the gRSShopper code to https://github.com/Downes/gRSShopper - includes nice clean starter SQL files, support for webmentions, support for events, script for push-button version updates, bug fixes, etc. (twitter.com/_/status/1045406081445449728)
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[pfefferle] aaronpk I can’t get the signatures to work and always get “Verification failed for matthias@pfefferle.org https://pfefferle.org/author/pfefferle/“… My try https://gist.github.com/pfefferle/86dea57ed3a1492611a229ea62205179
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[pfefferle] I have no problems verifying the signatures of mastodon and signing and verifying of my signatures does also work… but mastodon does not like them… as I said
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aaronpk [pfefferle]: I don't see anything obvious. can you try sending something to me? my server will reply with better errors and I will see the logs
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aaronpk no that doesn't get sent as a header
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swentel you don't necessarily need it anyway
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swentel I only send date and that's fine enough
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aaronpk that's a magic http signature thing to capture the method and path as a thing you can sign
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aaronpk you can't actually send that as a header since parens aren't a valid http header character
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aaronpk the other thing I can think of is if wp_safe_remote_post is doing something with the headers, like preventing one from being sent
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[pfefferle] It will be sent, but perhaps there is some escaping
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aaronpk if you try to send something to my aaronparecki.com inbox you'll get more details back
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[pfefferle] Ok, will try
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[pfefferle] Swentel you mean only the date header without signatures?
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swentel [pfefferle], no, only signing with date
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aaronpk wait you can send stuff to mastodon signing only the date?
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aaronpk that sounds..not safe
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[pfefferle] ok, sent and it works on your endpoint
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[pfefferle] perhaps some weird caching on mastodon
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aaronpk interesting
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aaronpk did you send a JSON body?
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aaronpk it showed up as an empty JSON object
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[pfefferle] no
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[pfefferle] sorry 😉
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aaronpk maybe drop the spaces in your JSON
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aaronpk and use a real JSON encoder instead of building the JSON string by hand?
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[pfefferle] it was empty
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[pfefferle] simply wanted to test the headers
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aaronpk hm k
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aaronpk IIRC mastodon does cache the profile it's discovered for the keyId but I can't remember for how long
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[pfefferle] oh man… I regenerated my key
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aaronpk I see two requests in my logs 14 seconds apart. the first one failed validation but the second one worked
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[pfefferle] perhaps this is the issue
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[pfefferle] I had a typo in the first
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[pfefferle] If it is the caching, I lost a complete day for nothing!!! 😤
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swentel yeah, so verified, I only sign with 'date'
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aaronpk [pfefferle]: have you tested against other mastodon instances?
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aaronpk I ended up making accounts on 3 or 4 instances to test with to avoid caching issues that I noticed
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[pfefferle] I have, but not after changing the keys
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[pfefferle] will try one more
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aaronpk seems like maybe it shouldn't be caching stuff until it succeeds once but oh well
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[pfefferle] aaaaaaaa
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[pfefferle] it was caching!
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[pfefferle] aaaaargh
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aaronpk wow yup
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[eddie] aaronpk In order to use webmention do we have to sign in to the domain that we want to accept webmentions from?
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[eddie] webmention.io *
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aaronpk [eddie]: no you can use the same endpoint with as many sites as you want
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[pfefferle] aaronpk do you have an example how an “Accept” of a follow request looks like?
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[eddie] aaronpk ohhhh the username is a domain but I can use that username on any domain
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[pfefferle] or do you swentel?
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swentel yeah
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swentel I documented on fed.bridgy queue somewhere, one sec
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swentel [pfefferle], https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/21#issuecomment-423772607
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Loqi [swentel] So, because I'm better at PHP, I exported my private key and than started hacking around, and guess what. I got it working :) It took me a while to create the proper object and signature, but now https://mastodon.social/users/swentel/following is fol...
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aaronpk [eddie]: yeah there are a handful of accounts whose username are just a string like "aaronpk" but when I enabled public signups i made it set a username to the domain of who logged in
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[eddie] :thumbsup:
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[pfefferle] swentel++
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[pfefferle] aaronpk++
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Loqi [swentel] #30 Allow posts to be deleted
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[pfefferle] nice! works like a charm!
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jacky hey has anyone looked/implemented an extension to python-social-core for IndieAuth?
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jacky https://github.com/python-social-auth/social-core/tree/master/social_core/backends
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