#dev 2018-10-14

2018-10-14 UTC
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jacky does anyone support/implement mp-config? https://indieweb.org/Micropub-brainstorming#Action_Handler_Discovery
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@hus_hmd ↩️ @jackbarber @grabaperch I think @scott_gruber and @clivewalker use webmentions on their blogs (twitter.com/_/status/1051374710628503555)
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[eddie] I don’t think many people have done work on that. In my opinion, having to log into every site I want to post to isn’t feasible. For me, this is a solved issue by using a social reader
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[eddie] Of course sometimes you just find a post and when that happens it’s not in your reader. For those cases I enjoy using a browser plugin like Omnibear or a native app sharing feature like Indigenous on iOS
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[eddie] (I believe the android version does the same thing)
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[eddie] The benefit being the social readers/browser plugins are always logged in, and don’t require the site you visit to support the action buttons (so it works universally)
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[eddie] One thing I have thought about before is allowing people to sign in to my website in order to see semi-private/protected posts
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[eddie] So I don’t think logging in to each other’s site through IndieAuth is bad. Just seems like that flow in order to reply or like seems very complicated
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sknebel sl007 had demoed indie-actions for IndieAuth at some point, which turns logging into a different site into a two-click thing
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sknebel but I've never seen the code for it or more than the one demo
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Zegnat Will sl007 be at either of the two German IWCs coming up?
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sknebel not sure
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@JamieTanna Looking forward to seeing what everyone's built over the weekend at hackference, and sharing our first attempt with the awesome @auth0 platform. Big shame we didn't get to implement a full #IndieAuth flow, but I think that's something I'll be heavily investigating soon! (twitter.com/_/status/1051449541998927872)
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@JamieTanna Looking forward to seeing what everyone's built over the weekend at #hackference, and sharing our first attempt with the awesome @auth0 platform. Big shame we didn't get to implement a full #IndieAuth flow, but I think that's something I'll be heavily investigating soon! (twitter.com/_/status/1051449733586276352)
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swentel snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 69 karma in this channel over the last year (121 in all channels)
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swentel wicked :)
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GWG Hi swentel
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swentel evening GWG
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GWG Swentel, I appreciate your work
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swentel thanks
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swentel GWG, do the terms/categories work for you ?
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GWG swentel, I tested it and yes, it's feeding it to me
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swentel awesome
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GWG swentel, what's next for you?
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swentel GWG, I made a 'focus' label on the issue queue - https://github.com/swentel/indigenous-android/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AFocus
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swentel that's what I'm focusing on the next weeks
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swentel trying to get these in around Berlin
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swentel and getting a beta out for the indieweb drupal module as well
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GWG swentel, are you coming?
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swentel GWG, yes
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GWG I am coming if they clear me, so we'll talk
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GWG If I were to add Micropub features to the WordPress endpoint, which fun ones are supported by Indigenous
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swentel well q=source is a nice one imo
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swentel which returns a list of posts
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swentel I practically maintain my site now via the app
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Zegnat Is that the sort of option that MarsEdit wanted to see too?
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GWG swentel, do you use paging?
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swentel GWG, yes
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swentel GWG, if you need inspiration, see https://github.com/swentel/indieweb/blob/master/src/Controller/MicropubController.php#L1146
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swentel indigenous currently supports 'after', 'limit' and 'post-type'
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swentel 'url' is on the way
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swentel but that's a tricky one
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GWG Why is URL tricky?
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swentel well, I'm not 100% sure about the response
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swentel this is something I'd wanted to discuss in berlin with everyone there :)
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GWG It's supposed to be mf2 json
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swentel ah right
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GWG I have been working to fix my incorrectly coded mf2 json for that reason
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swentel ok, it's tricky at indigenous level, I need to select the right post-type UI based on what comes in
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GWG Good point.
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GWG Right now, I am in bug fix mode
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swentel for micropub 2.0 ?
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GWG swentel, for that and Post Kinds
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GWG I need more testers for Micropub so I can troubleshoot the people who have problems
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GWG And some of them have problems with Indieauth
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GWG So, a third possibility
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swentel another thing on the plate is testing fed-bridgy / and hopefully helping out with patches
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swentel replies are now working again which is awesome already
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swentel and we know how accept should look like
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swentel and normal posts too
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Zegnat Interesting for the people thinking about microsub and the servers behind them: http://inessential.com/2018/10/13/netnewswire_article_age_limits
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Zegnat [Brent Simmons] NetNewsWire Article Age Limits
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Zegnat About when to remove articles from storage
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AngeloGladding what is a web action
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Loqi A web action is the interface and user experience of taking a specific discrete action, across the web, from one site to another site or application https://indieweb.org/web_action
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[Rose] I thought that was interesting too Zegnat, though that's explicitly for when you don't have some kind of sync - which websub would be.
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[Rose] (I'm in the NNW Slack, good discussion there!)
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Zegnat [Rose], what, the aging of articles? Not really. E.g. several of the external servers mentioned (like Feedbin) also purge old articles based on some standard. Aperture might do too.
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Zegnat Brent only needs to figure it out for the local use-case and leaves other purging up to the remotes. But if you are implementing a remote (Microsub server like Aperture) you still need to consider this
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aaronpk Cool, I’ve had to make decisions like that for Aperture too
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myfreeweb purging old articles is a very "traditional rss reader" thing — if your reader looks like an infinite twitter-style stream, there doesn't seem to be any reason to do that
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Zegnat storage is still definitely a reason. I like how Brent mentions how not-purging may imply certain things about permanency/archival use that the developer may not actually want to do.
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Zegnat aaronpk, have you blogged about any choices you made for Aperture?
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aaronpk Yeah exactly
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aaronpk not yet no
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Zegnat Anyone know a tool that can restore a QR code that has had a logo posted in the middle?
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aaronpk Zegnat: restore? QR codes have a bunch of error recovery so they can usually be scanned anyway
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aaronpk let me try that again... there isn’t actually any data lost when you slap a logo in the middle of a qr code because a lot of the pixels are redundant. So you can scan it, then take the data and re encode and get a new qr code. Or you can just cover up the logo with made up pixels and it’ll still work fine
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[jgmac1106] okay why didn't [shaners] let us know he was building this really cool Dark Matter project:https://indieweb.org/Dark_Matter congrats! Always loved your RoR work
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[jgmac1106] Anyone know if it is possible or how to take all the OpenGraph stuff out of a Known instance? https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/2230
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Loqi [benwerd] #2230 Page metadata turns user icon into preview image
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@edtechdev Information about #IndieWeb & #WordPress Thanks for sharing information about #IndieWeb & #WordPress, Greg McVerry.  Still just gradually trying out things here. This is a first stab at trying a webmention.  The IndieWeb site… https://mastodon.social/@edtechdev/100896504278887328 (twitter.com/_/status/1051610722327781376)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Were you trying to send me the webmention or yourself? Or did you mean first attempt at a POSSE post, a webmention is more I mention https://doug.holton.space/2018/10/indieweb-wordpress/ and then you get a site. Also curious how the syndicated link is to your Mastodon… http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/10/14/edtechdev-were-you-trying-to-send-me (twitter.com/_/status/1051611604041826304)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I did get your webmention. You can see your blank facepile on my post under mentions: http://jgregorymcverry.com/7857-2/ (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1ZT796) (twitter.com/_/status/1051612492365991936)
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Zegnat aaronpk, I had a QR code with a logo in the middle but that scales really poorly, so I just wanted to auto-remove the logo without accidentally changing the meaning
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Zegnat I ended up redrawing and leaving the covered pixels blank
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Zegnat See https://vanderven.se/martijn/deltachat.html
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aaronpk You can also try a scaling algorithm that preserves hard edges
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ You should check out Bridgy Fed once you get the basics flowing. For Twitter and WordPress I use Bridgy Publish. Only way to really keep tweets and webmentions threaded with any degree of success. (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/ZXKGS) (twitter.com/_/status/1051620909885378560)