#dev 2018-12-01

2018-12-01 UTC
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[jgmac1106] I would 100% accept voice comments. Some people love learning in audio modalities or can't live in visual worlds. Voice comments add humanity... And storage issues...
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aaronpk voice compresses well. probably even smaller files than many photos.
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jacky what is voice
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "voice" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "voice is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jacky goes to the wiki
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jacky hmm
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jacky these look cool
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aaronpk even smaller than a microcast...
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aaronpk a nanocast?
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jacky nano!
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aaronpk I guess that's basically what instagram stories are šŸ˜‚
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jacky ayy was looking for this: https://indieweb.org/export#Any_time
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jalcine how do people add new h-card data to their sites?
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jalcine like do people do it using micropub?
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jalcine right now my micropub support in Koype focuses on h-entry (and the spec seems to follow that)
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jalcine but I'm interested in seeing if I can use it to do things like h-event, h-card or even h-recipe (I'm reaaaaaaaaaly excited for that one, lol)
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jalcine oh it's on the wiki
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jalcine https://indieweb.org/Micropub#h-event
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jalcine interesting
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jalcine okay this validates the idea!
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aaronpk I do events via micropub now that I added it to quill
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aaronpk I want to do recipes too but I need to think through that interface more because I know I'll also want it to support editing out of the gate
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aaronpk not super worried about updating my profile info via micropub since it rarely changes and I don't think I actually gain anything by using an external client vs my built in tools
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jalcine nice nice
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jalcine I'm going to spend tonight refactoring my setup to have better support for events and see if I can do cards next
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jalcine then I can see how difficult it'd be to toy around with recipes
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jalcine might get some inspiration from sites like yummly and allrecipes
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jalcine pretty sure wordpress has this as a plugin b/c my favorite vegan cook has this function and a scaler for the ingredients https://minimalistbaker.com/4-ingredient-vegan-easy-brownies/
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jalcine (side-note: her food is _amazing_, usually kept to one bowl and about 30 - 45 minutes to make!)
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aaronpk Are you gonna do the trendy thing of writing like 5 narrative paragraphs with backstory and in progress photos before listing the actual recipe?
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jalcine hahah nah I'd put the recipe to the right and make it sticky (have it at top on mobile)
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jalcine _or_ look into making a sticky nav to the left so it'd be easy to jump around
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aaronpk My recipe posts are barebones, just the list of ingredients and directions and a photo
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dansup Hello! Working to rewrite https://github.com/dansup/php-activitystreams and finish https://github.com/dansup/php-activitypub !
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Loqi [dansup] php-activitystreams: Activity Streams is a simple specification used to describe social actions around the web.
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aaronpk Hello!
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aaronpk I haven't been keeping up, hows federation support going in pixelfed?
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dansup Its coming along, had to fix some regressions that caused mutes/blocks to not function properly. A few prominent users have asked me to delete their accounts and I want to ensure privacy/safety features work before federation is released.
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aaronpk is looking forward to people being able to follow my photo posts from pixelfed
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aaronpk have you decided what to do with posts you get that don't have a photo?
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jalcine ayee good luck dansup
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dansup aaronpk: they are ignored unless they are a descendant of a post that contains image or video
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dansup jalcine: thanks :D
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jalcine ooh interesting
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[eddie] !tell jalcine I send h-cards to my Micropub Endpoint, thatā€™s how I add/update my nickname cache https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/11/20/9/article/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] Added new nickname and micropub cache support
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jacky interesting
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[eddie] You could do both, h-card is nickname cache but your nickname cache entry for YOUR url becomes the h-Card info on your site
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[eddie] Thatā€™s how iPhone contacts work. You have a bunch of contacts but you also have a contact that is YOUR info
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[eddie] So as long as the url/uid matched your domain that would update your info
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[eddie] If the uid did not match your url, it could be essentially your friends list/nickname cache
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jacky hmm that's an interesting bit to note
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jacky using a self-referenial h-card
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[eddie] Yeah, I donā€™t do that yet but I think I might for My about page, that way itā€™ll be easier to try and beat Zegnat in the great H-Card wars of 2019
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jacky haha
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[pfefferle] [dansup] have you seen: A PHP implementation of the ActivityPub protocol https://github.com/pterotype-project/activitypub-php
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Loqi [pterotype-project] activitypub-php: A PHP implementation of the ActivityPub protocol
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[jgmac1106] What is the great h-card wars of 2019?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "great h-card wars of 2019" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "great h-card wars of 2019 is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[eddie] What is the great h-card wars of 2019?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/great_h-card_wars_of_2019
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[eddie] That wasnā€™t right
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sknebel needs <dfn> tag
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[eddie] Gotcha
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[eddie] What is the great h-card wars of 2019
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Loqi The great h-card wars of 2019 is a predicted future event where various people in the IndieWeb community try to usurp Martijn van der Ven for most complete h-card on the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/great_h-card_wars_of_2019
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[eddie] There we go
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[eddie] šŸ™Œ
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[jgmac1106] wow [eddie] sleep
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[jgmac1106] what looks better<p>I just added <a class="u-follow-of h-card" href="$url"><span class="p-name">$name</span></a> to the #$ section of my following page at <a href="https://jgregorymcverry.com/following">https://jgregorymcverry.com/following </a><#BeYourownSocialNetwork</p>
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[jgmac1106] or
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Loqi [Laura Fleming] Thank you. I appreciate the discourse around these important topics.
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[jgmac1106] <p class="p-follow-of">I just added <a class href="$url"><span class="p-name">$name</span></a> to the #$ section of my following page at <a href="https://jgregorymcverry.com/following">https://jgregorymcverry.com/following </a><#BeYourownSocialNetwork</p>
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Loqi [Laura Fleming] Thank you. I appreciate the discourse around these important topics.
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[eddie] My son is in refusal to let me sleep. Lol.
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[eddie] I like u-follow-of as an h-Card
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[eddie] If you remove the span the h-Card will imply the url and name
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[eddie] <a class=ā€œu-follow-of h-cardā€ href=ā€œURLā€>person name</a>
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[eddie] Should generate a follow of with the url of the h-Card, and the a href with the h-Card will imply the href as the h-Card url and the link text as the h-Card name
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[eddie] At least thatā€™s how I understand it
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[jgmac1106] Perfect. What I was doing... Though in my world 50% of blogs have titles not the same as name
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[jgmac1106] I just added <a class="u-follow-of" href=ā€œ$urlā€>$Title</a> by <a class="h-card">$name</a> to my following page at <a href="https://jgregorymcverry.com/following">https://jgregorymcverry.com/following </a>#BeYourownSocialNetwork
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Loqi [Laura Fleming] Thank you. I appreciate the discourse around these important topics.
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[eddie] Ahh yeah, perfect
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[kevinmarks] Should we add an e-rambling-introduction field to h-recipe?
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aaronpk Can't believe my nicknames cache code has been in progress since August. Time flies.
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[eddie] Yeah, this last half year has flown by!
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[eddie] So Iā€™m thinking about the Berlin Photos session (https://indieweb.org/2018/Berlin/photos)
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[eddie] I like how it brought up highlighting certain photos in a gallery
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[eddie] I know we use u-featured right now to identify primary images of non-image post types. I wonder if it would be do-able to have multiple u-featured images and essentially ā€œhighlightedā€ or prominent photos from a gallery would be considered featured
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sknebel maybe, not sure if those are equal
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[eddie] Yeah I was trying to determine how you would express a ā€œlarger, highlighted photoā€, and it being featured didnā€™t seem 100% but in another way it felt like it did. So I couldnā€™t decide
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sknebel to me, featured is more like the "title" image, e.g. the one shown on a page listing all your albums
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[eddie] Ahh gotcha
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sknebel that probably should be one that is highlighted too, but I'm not sure it's clear when you highlight multiple one
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sknebel I'm also not sure marking highlighting up for consumers is important, my expectation would be that it is to specific to way your site presents them
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sknebel at least what I had in mind during those discussions
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[eddie] Yeah that would definitely need to be a highlighted one, but yeah I guess you might want a featured one that is technically the 5th highlighted one
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[eddie] So thatā€™s definitely a conflict
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[eddie] I definitely think itā€™s primarily on oneā€™s own site but I was also thinking it would make a pretty cool reader experience if the UI was the reader but the emphasis on specific images could be carried through
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[eddie] Itā€™s likely better to just start with displaying that way on your site and figuring it out after a couple people implement that
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sknebel yeah, I think so
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[eddie] Iā€™ve been wanting to make a ā€œyear in photosā€ page for the last 5 years, but Iā€™ve never taken the time because Iā€™d have to build everything from scratch, but now with Micropub and everything else my site supports, Iā€™m excited because all I really need to do is add support for collections and the ability to make some photos larger and Iā€™m all set
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[eddie] incrementalprogress++
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Loqi incrementalprogress has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] eddie I like the idea of a u-featured photo on a /collection post or even a /multiphoto post!
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[tantek] When POSSEing a multiphoto to a silo that highlights a particular photo (or even only shows one), Iā€™d prefer that the u-featured photo be the ā€œhighlightedā€ photo on such destinations instead of just the default of the first photo
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[eddie] That makes a lot of sense
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[tantek] Use-cases: POSSEing a multiphoto to both Twitter and Flickr, e.g. via Bridgy
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[eddie] I know bridgy supports u-featured in the absence of u-photo
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[eddie] I wonder if it supports it in the presence of multiple?
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[tantek] When you POSSE a 3+ multiphoto to Twitter the first photo is displayed far more prominently than the others, and Iā€™d prefer to be able to choose that one
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[tantek] Similarly when you POSSE to Flickr, only one photo makes it over, the first one of a multiphoto for example, and Iā€™d rather be able to choose which one that is.
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[tantek] Iā€™d doubt Bridgy uses u-featured on a /multiphoto - likely worth opening a feature request for
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[tantek] My high level use-case is when I post a multiphoto that is deliberately time ordered but I often have to pick the one ā€œmost specialā€ photo and make it first in the set, breaking the ordering, just so that it shows up as the main photo in POSSE destinations
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[eddie] Ohhhh yeah that is definitely an issue
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[tantek] If I could instead mark it up as the u-featured then have Bridgy use it then Iā€™d likely maintain strict time ordering in my multiphoto posts
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[eddie] My multi-photos are typically not time ordered but instead in order of importance for me
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[eddie] so itā€™s worked okay for me up to now
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[tantek] Ok so that doesnā€™t affect your use case
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[eddie] But makes a lot of sense!
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[tantek] Mine are usually time ordered because theyā€™re telling a story, thereā€™s a narrative across the multiphoto
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[tantek] Eg most recent two multiphoto posts. The most recent also happens to be time ordered. The one before that I put the last (taken) photo first in the multiphoto
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[tantek] (Most recent *on my site)
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[eddie] oh yeah, thatā€™s cool how itā€™s time ordered, like you said, it shows your journey
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