#dev 2018-12-01

2018-12-01 UTC
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[jgmac1106] I would 100% accept voice comments. Some people love learning in audio modalities or can't live in visual worlds. Voice comments add humanity... And storage issues...
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aaronpk voice compresses well. probably even smaller files than many photos.
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jacky what is voice
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "voice" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "voice is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jacky goes to the wiki
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jacky hmm
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jacky these look cool
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aaronpk even smaller than a microcast...
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aaronpk a nanocast?
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jacky nano!
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aaronpk I guess that's basically what instagram stories are 😂
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jacky ayy was looking for this: https://indieweb.org/export#Any_time
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jalcine how do people add new h-card data to their sites?
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jalcine like do people do it using micropub?
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jalcine right now my micropub support in Koype focuses on h-entry (and the spec seems to follow that)
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jalcine but I'm interested in seeing if I can use it to do things like h-event, h-card or even h-recipe (I'm reaaaaaaaaaly excited for that one, lol)
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jalcine oh it's on the wiki
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jalcine https://indieweb.org/Micropub#h-event
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jalcine interesting
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jalcine okay this validates the idea!
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aaronpk I do events via micropub now that I added it to quill
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aaronpk I want to do recipes too but I need to think through that interface more because I know I'll also want it to support editing out of the gate
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aaronpk not super worried about updating my profile info via micropub since it rarely changes and I don't think I actually gain anything by using an external client vs my built in tools
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jalcine nice nice
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jalcine I'm going to spend tonight refactoring my setup to have better support for events and see if I can do cards next
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jalcine then I can see how difficult it'd be to toy around with recipes
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jalcine might get some inspiration from sites like yummly and allrecipes
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jalcine pretty sure wordpress has this as a plugin b/c my favorite vegan cook has this function and a scaler for the ingredients https://minimalistbaker.com/4-ingredient-vegan-easy-brownies/
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jalcine (side-note: her food is _amazing_, usually kept to one bowl and about 30 - 45 minutes to make!)
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aaronpk Are you gonna do the trendy thing of writing like 5 narrative paragraphs with backstory and in progress photos before listing the actual recipe?
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jalcine hahah nah I'd put the recipe to the right and make it sticky (have it at top on mobile)
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jalcine _or_ look into making a sticky nav to the left so it'd be easy to jump around
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aaronpk My recipe posts are barebones, just the list of ingredients and directions and a photo
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dansup Hello! Working to rewrite https://github.com/dansup/php-activitystreams and finish https://github.com/dansup/php-activitypub !
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Loqi [dansup] php-activitystreams: Activity Streams is a simple specification used to describe social actions around the web.
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aaronpk Hello!
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aaronpk I haven't been keeping up, hows federation support going in pixelfed?
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dansup Its coming along, had to fix some regressions that caused mutes/blocks to not function properly. A few prominent users have asked me to delete their accounts and I want to ensure privacy/safety features work before federation is released.
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aaronpk is looking forward to people being able to follow my photo posts from pixelfed
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aaronpk have you decided what to do with posts you get that don't have a photo?
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jalcine ayee good luck dansup
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dansup aaronpk: they are ignored unless they are a descendant of a post that contains image or video
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dansup jalcine: thanks :D
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jalcine ooh interesting
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[eddie] !tell jalcine I send h-cards to my Micropub Endpoint, that’s how I add/update my nickname cache https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/11/20/9/article/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] Added new nickname and micropub cache support
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jacky interesting
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[eddie] You could do both, h-card is nickname cache but your nickname cache entry for YOUR url becomes the h-Card info on your site
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[eddie] That’s how iPhone contacts work. You have a bunch of contacts but you also have a contact that is YOUR info
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[eddie] So as long as the url/uid matched your domain that would update your info
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[eddie] If the uid did not match your url, it could be essentially your friends list/nickname cache
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jacky hmm that's an interesting bit to note
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jacky using a self-referenial h-card
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[eddie] Yeah, I don’t do that yet but I think I might for My about page, that way it’ll be easier to try and beat Zegnat in the great H-Card wars of 2019
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jacky haha
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[pfefferle] [dansup] have you seen: A PHP implementation of the ActivityPub protocol https://github.com/pterotype-project/activitypub-php
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Loqi [pterotype-project] activitypub-php: A PHP implementation of the ActivityPub protocol
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[jgmac1106] What is the great h-card wars of 2019?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "great h-card wars of 2019" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "great h-card wars of 2019 is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[eddie] What is the great h-card wars of 2019?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/great_h-card_wars_of_2019
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[eddie] That wasn’t right
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sknebel needs <dfn> tag
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[eddie] Gotcha
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[eddie] What is the great h-card wars of 2019
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Loqi The great h-card wars of 2019 is a predicted future event where various people in the IndieWeb community try to usurp Martijn van der Ven for most complete h-card on the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/great_h-card_wars_of_2019
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[eddie] There we go
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[eddie] 🙌
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[jgmac1106] wow [eddie] sleep
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[jgmac1106] what looks better<p>I just added <a class="u-follow-of h-card" href="$url"><span class="p-name">$name</span></a> to the #$ section of my following page at <a href="https://jgregorymcverry.com/following">https://jgregorymcverry.com/following </a><#BeYourownSocialNetwork</p>
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[jgmac1106] or
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Loqi [Laura Fleming] Thank you. I appreciate the discourse around these important topics.
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[jgmac1106] <p class="p-follow-of">I just added <a class href="$url"><span class="p-name">$name</span></a> to the #$ section of my following page at <a href="https://jgregorymcverry.com/following">https://jgregorymcverry.com/following </a><#BeYourownSocialNetwork</p>
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Loqi [Laura Fleming] Thank you. I appreciate the discourse around these important topics.
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[eddie] My son is in refusal to let me sleep. Lol.
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[eddie] I like u-follow-of as an h-Card
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[eddie] If you remove the span the h-Card will imply the url and name
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[eddie] <a class=“u-follow-of h-card” href=“URL”>person name</a>
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[eddie] Should generate a follow of with the url of the h-Card, and the a href with the h-Card will imply the href as the h-Card url and the link text as the h-Card name
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[eddie] At least that’s how I understand it
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[jgmac1106] Perfect. What I was doing... Though in my world 50% of blogs have titles not the same as name
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[jgmac1106] I just added <a class="u-follow-of" href=“$url”>$Title</a> by <a class="h-card">$name</a> to my following page at <a href="https://jgregorymcverry.com/following">https://jgregorymcverry.com/following </a>#BeYourownSocialNetwork
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Loqi [Laura Fleming] Thank you. I appreciate the discourse around these important topics.
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[eddie] Ahh yeah, perfect
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[kevinmarks] Should we add an e-rambling-introduction field to h-recipe?
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aaronpk Can't believe my nicknames cache code has been in progress since August. Time flies.
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[eddie] Yeah, this last half year has flown by!
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[eddie] So I’m thinking about the Berlin Photos session (https://indieweb.org/2018/Berlin/photos)
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[eddie] I like how it brought up highlighting certain photos in a gallery
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[eddie] I know we use u-featured right now to identify primary images of non-image post types. I wonder if it would be do-able to have multiple u-featured images and essentially “highlighted” or prominent photos from a gallery would be considered featured
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sknebel maybe, not sure if those are equal
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[eddie] Yeah I was trying to determine how you would express a “larger, highlighted photo”, and it being featured didn’t seem 100% but in another way it felt like it did. So I couldn’t decide
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sknebel to me, featured is more like the "title" image, e.g. the one shown on a page listing all your albums
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[eddie] Ahh gotcha
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sknebel that probably should be one that is highlighted too, but I'm not sure it's clear when you highlight multiple one
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sknebel I'm also not sure marking highlighting up for consumers is important, my expectation would be that it is to specific to way your site presents them
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sknebel at least what I had in mind during those discussions
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[eddie] Yeah that would definitely need to be a highlighted one, but yeah I guess you might want a featured one that is technically the 5th highlighted one
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[eddie] So that’s definitely a conflict
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[eddie] I definitely think it’s primarily on one’s own site but I was also thinking it would make a pretty cool reader experience if the UI was the reader but the emphasis on specific images could be carried through
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[eddie] It’s likely better to just start with displaying that way on your site and figuring it out after a couple people implement that
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sknebel yeah, I think so
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[eddie] I’ve been wanting to make a “year in photos” page for the last 5 years, but I’ve never taken the time because I’d have to build everything from scratch, but now with Micropub and everything else my site supports, I’m excited because all I really need to do is add support for collections and the ability to make some photos larger and I’m all set
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[eddie] incrementalprogress++
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Loqi incrementalprogress has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] eddie I like the idea of a u-featured photo on a /collection post or even a /multiphoto post!
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[tantek] When POSSEing a multiphoto to a silo that highlights a particular photo (or even only shows one), I’d prefer that the u-featured photo be the “highlighted” photo on such destinations instead of just the default of the first photo
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[eddie] That makes a lot of sense
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[tantek] Use-cases: POSSEing a multiphoto to both Twitter and Flickr, e.g. via Bridgy
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[eddie] I know bridgy supports u-featured in the absence of u-photo
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[eddie] I wonder if it supports it in the presence of multiple?
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[tantek] When you POSSE a 3+ multiphoto to Twitter the first photo is displayed far more prominently than the others, and I’d prefer to be able to choose that one
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[tantek] Similarly when you POSSE to Flickr, only one photo makes it over, the first one of a multiphoto for example, and I’d rather be able to choose which one that is.
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[tantek] I’d doubt Bridgy uses u-featured on a /multiphoto - likely worth opening a feature request for
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[tantek] My high level use-case is when I post a multiphoto that is deliberately time ordered but I often have to pick the one “most special” photo and make it first in the set, breaking the ordering, just so that it shows up as the main photo in POSSE destinations
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[eddie] Ohhhh yeah that is definitely an issue
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[tantek] If I could instead mark it up as the u-featured then have Bridgy use it then I’d likely maintain strict time ordering in my multiphoto posts
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[eddie] My multi-photos are typically not time ordered but instead in order of importance for me
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[eddie] so it’s worked okay for me up to now
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[tantek] Ok so that doesn’t affect your use case
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[eddie] But makes a lot of sense!
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[tantek] Mine are usually time ordered because they’re telling a story, there’s a narrative across the multiphoto
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[tantek] Eg most recent two multiphoto posts. The most recent also happens to be time ordered. The one before that I put the last (taken) photo first in the multiphoto
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[tantek] (Most recent *on my site)
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[eddie] oh yeah, that’s cool how it’s time ordered, like you said, it shows your journey
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