#dev 2018-12-21

2018-12-21 UTC
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@JmacDotOrg ↩️ Summarizing my IndieWeb ideals in one tweet: 1. Own a domain, and post your stuff to it, rather than to corporate “silos”. (You can syndicate to em, though.) 2. Use Microformats2, semantic metadata embedded in HTML. 3. Use Webmention, a protocol that lets sites cross-comment. (twitter.com/_/status/1075922979031314432)
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[jgmac1106] I have no idea how grid works with animation timers but I imagine this whole new kind of CSS animation where you use a timer to set grid dimensions but have different media queries.
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[jgmac1106] Can make things collapse and unfold by timers be fun
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@fluffy Publ: Development Blog: Embedding http://webmention.io pings on your site http://publ.beesbuzz.biz/blog/1048-Embedding-webmention-io-pings-on-your-site (twitter.com/_/status/1076014758019694592)
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@janboddez 'Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet' https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1076035915452219392)
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@janboddez ↩️ 'Will the traditional social media walled gardens like Facebook, Twitter and Instagram support the Webmention specification? Many may never do so. Locking you into their services is enabling them to leverage your content and interactions to generate income.' (twitter.com/_/status/1076038117168168960)
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@janboddez ↩️ 'If you use Twitter, your friend Alice only uses Facebook, your friend Bob only uses his blog on WordPress, and your pal Chuck is over on Medium, it's impossible for any one of you to mention another. [...] The solution? Enter Webmentions!' (twitter.com/_/status/1076039147234701312)
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@janboddez ↩️ 'Will the traditional social media walled gardens like Facebook, Twitter and Instagram support the Webmention specification? Many may never do so. Locking you into their services is enabling them to leverage your content and interactions to generate income.' (twitter.com/_/status/1076039275676950528)
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petermolnar ok, so I got my OPML up, being served as XML with XSL, looks reasonable, has collapsible details/summary elements. Now... how do I add this to my site nicely? https://petermolnar.net/following.opml
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petermolnar behind the scenes: it gets pulled from miniflux, which gets populated by my favs archiver, if the silo followings are out of sync
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gkbrk hey, is there a tool or something similar to test h-feed's?
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gkbrk I tried the tools on the wiki but they don't seem to be testing the feed, just the first h-entry it finds
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KartikPrabhu gkbrk: you can test your markup with any of the parsers here https://microformats.io/#parsers
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gkbrk parsing isn't the problem though, it's just HTML after all it's not difficult to parse
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gkbrk but it seems like every website/service around microformats interprets them differently
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KartikPrabhu yes. that is left to the consumer of the microformats
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KartikPrabhu so not sure what you are looking for
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gkbrk Basically a feed reader that consumes microformats
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KartikPrabhu what is reader
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Loqi A reader (AKA indie reader or social reader) in the context of the indieweb is the portion/feature integrated into an indieweb site that provides a way to read content from other indieweb sites, possibly including posts from the current site, and respond (like, comment, repost, etc) inline in the reading UI itself https://indieweb.org/reader
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gkbrk So I can see if it parses my page correctly
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KartikPrabhu that page has a list
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gkbrk that should be linked from "How to test feeds" probably
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[tantek] Great suggestion!
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[tantek] Maybe add a “Testing” section to /h-feed that links to /reader ?
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gkbrk https://waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/new/
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gkbrk This one worked
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gkbrk the other ones are things I need to self host or sign up to in order to test
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gkbrk this one is just plug-your-url and see it work
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gkbrk no need for micropub/microsub endpoints, just plain and simple html
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[jgmac1106] @kartikPrabhu I need to do a little bit mroe styling to make the divs in conference procieedings be inling (the -cite needed an h-event child) but I think it is finally done (the citations): https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/resume.html
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KartikPrabhu [jgmac1106]: I would use a list instead of divs there
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[jgmac1106] ahhh that would work....I kept racking my brain
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KartikPrabhu <div> is very overused. using actual "semantic" HTML tags goes a long way
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[jgmac1106] ...I know I was trying not to, just couldn't figure out how not to use <p> and how to have a child h* the list will work!
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KartikPrabhu in fact that is literally a list :P
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[schmarty] [jgmac1106] you mentioned in your "accidental blog" post that you hooked up your media to archive.org. do you have an example post or links to examples of content you're hosting on archive.org?
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[schmarty] !tell aaronpk: found a fun / weird interpretation from X-Ray on a post: https://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjonathanprozzi.net%2Findieweb%2Fhwc-baltimore-2018-12-11-wrap-up%2F
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[schmarty] !tell aaronpk: the post itself has multiple author u-photo, a bug in their template, but X-Ray returns it not as a JSON array, but as a JSON object with keys "0" and "2".
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel heh, deduplication gone wrong
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[schmarty] sknebel: that was my thought as well.
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sknebel http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjonathanprozzi.net%2Findieweb%2Fhwc-baltimore-2018-12-11-wrap-up%2F
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Loqi [j-p] HWC Baltimore 2018-12-11 Wrap-Up
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sknebel 5 "photo" properties, 2 urls
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aaronpk oh dear
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Loqi aaronpk: [schmarty] left you a message 6 minutes ago: found a fun / weird interpretation from X-Ray on a post: https://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjonathanprozzi.net%2Findieweb%2Fhwc-baltimore-2018-12-11-wrap-up%2F
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Loqi aaronpk: [schmarty] left you a message 5 minutes ago: the post itself has multiple author u-photo, a bug in their template, but X-Ray returns it not as a JSON array, but as a JSON object with keys "0" and "2".
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aaronpk i will have to add that to the test cases
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sknebel wrong way to delete an entry from a PHP "array"?
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aaronpk http://php.net/array_unique "note that keys are preserved" oops
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ichoquo0Aigh9ie things are so much easier if your entries and post are just either mf2+json or plain html
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KartikPrabhu or html+mf2
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jacky ah when I think html, it's going to be html+mf2
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jacky since it's all classes and <data>
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jacky but yes
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[jgmac1106] !tell schmarty here you go: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/12/14/hosting-your-podcast-on-the-internet-archive-archiveorg-and-glitch
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] but I am going to start doing that with all my openly licensed content
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[schmarty] [jgmac1106] thanks!
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[jgmac1106] start pulling movies off of YouTube long term
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jacky all of those images are question marks [jgmac1106]
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aaronpk they look fine to me
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sknebel snarfed: I think jacky is proposing some way for *my site* to learn what services I can syndicate to through bridgy, so it knows what to offer to the micropub client?
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snarfed wow i only halfway follow that. but ok!
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jacky wow if I disable ublock then they load
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jacky interesting
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jacky lol yeah so like this would be something a site could use once they read the page's info to find out what targets a syndicator can provide
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jacky and then give the site's owner a means of populating their syndication target list with it
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jacky this is indirectly a way for me to avoid having users (aka me) type in URIs and let that work be done on a trust basis with a service I signed into using my website
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jacky thanks for the redirect sknebel
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